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Post by tuigirl on May 28, 2020 20:51:36 GMT
Anyone notice that Nick Briggs kept ownership of this via his Red Raygun LTD company and licenced out the title to Big Finish? Very suspicious. Latest news: Nick Briggs is seceding from Big Finish! Probably done for either financial reasons (not having all eggs in one basket) or maybe he plans a spin-off in other media and this is a rights issue? No idea how copyright law works.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 28, 2020 20:54:04 GMT
so he Anyone notice that Nick Briggs kept ownership of this via his Red Raygun LTD company and licenced out the title to Big Finish? Very suspicious. I don't see how it is suspicious in any way. It says to me Nick wants ownership of it so he can possibly shop it around. It does sound like it is the kind of thing that would translate to TV or film. Or even books & comics. As creator, I certainly understand why he would want to own the copyright. For all we know the creators of all the other Big Finish Originals have the same agreement in place. This was just the only one which stated it on the product page. Anyway, I thought it was interesting.
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2020 22:04:09 GMT
Very naturalist style, in fact it would probably suit a TV Drama.
Excellent performances but I think the messaging is left too late in the story and to simplistic.
My main takeaway is actually a free reign Nick Briggs has shown he could write decent Torchwood
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 29, 2020 10:19:07 GMT
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Post by Tony Jones on May 29, 2020 10:53:09 GMT
so he I don't see how it is suspicious in any way. It says to me Nick wants ownership of it so he can possibly shop it around. It does sound like it is the kind of thing that would translate to TV or film. Or even books & comics. As creator, I certainly understand why he would want to own the copyright. For all we know the creators of all the other Big Finish Originals have the same agreement in place. This was just the only one which stated it on the product page. Anyway, I thought it was interesting. It can be as simple as a way to handle pre-existing IPR — Nick may have written some material in this world before offering it to Big Finish. The general contract gives all new rights to Big Finish, but clearly exceptions can be made.
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Post by mbt66 on May 29, 2020 12:07:50 GMT
Anyone notice that Nick Briggs kept ownership of this via his Red Raygun LTD company and licenced out the title to Big Finish? Perhaps he is expecting a call from 20th Century Studios to make this the next Aliens franchise...
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Post by tuigirl on May 29, 2020 12:14:05 GMT
Anyone notice that Nick Briggs kept ownership of this via his Red Raygun LTD company and licenced out the title to Big Finish? Perhaps he is expecting a call from 20th Century Studios to make this the next Aliens franchise... In space, nobody can hear (and love) your stories.
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Post by axelotl38 on May 29, 2020 15:18:28 GMT
What the fiddlesticks is with this forum and trying to find reasons to hate on Nick Briggs, honestly.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 17:24:32 GMT
Perhaps he is expecting a call from 20th Century Studios to make this the next Aliens franchise... I dunno, I reckon Nick would be quite good at writing an Alien story. If only BF could get the audio rights... just imagine.
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Post by Digi on May 29, 2020 17:31:55 GMT
The sound design alone would make or break an audio Alien story...
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Post by mbt66 on May 29, 2020 17:36:32 GMT
What the fiddlesticks is with this forum and trying to find reasons to hate on Nick Briggs, honestly. I can only speak for myself, but I respect, appreciate and feel very grateful that we have Nick Briggs. He is an exceptionally talented voice artist, I am always impressed by the range of voices he can give a monster. Plus he is a great writer, producer and director. However you cannot please everyone all the time, so I won’t like everything he does and I do have issues with some of his creative decisions, I am now thinking about Charlotte Pollard volume two...and I really don’t want to think about that, so I will now stop.
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Post by tuigirl on May 29, 2020 18:28:33 GMT
What the fiddlesticks is with this forum and trying to find reasons to hate on Nick Briggs, honestly. I like him? He wrote my favorite Dark Eyes (let us just forget about Exile...) I am also not sure who here hates Nick?
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Post by shutupbanks on May 29, 2020 21:26:27 GMT
What the fiddlesticks is with this forum and trying to find reasons to hate on Nick Briggs, honestly. He’s the “showrunner” of Big Finish and we’re all Doctor Who fans. Some habits just take a lifetime to break. 🤣
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Post by elkawho on May 30, 2020 20:42:25 GMT
Anyone else think Marc Elstob is sounding a lot like Paul Darrow in this?
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Post by Digi on May 31, 2020 0:05:12 GMT
Listened to episode 1 today. I'm not complaining (I enjoyed it!), but I couldn't help but notice the plot borrowed liberally from Alien, right up until the point it became a planet from No Man's Sky.
Like I said though I did enjoy it and am looking forward to more. Somewhat thrown that this first episode seems to have nothing to do with the concept as it was announced a little while back, but I guess it'll get there eventually!
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Post by tuigirl on May 31, 2020 8:08:15 GMT
I finished it! Well this was quite a surprise. Very well written and definitely one of Nick‘s better stories. Acting and sound design were great and the story is immersive. I also love non-linear storytelling, and here it helps tp preserve the mystery till the end. It is also clear that Nick intends this as a pilot for a longer series. In that regard it works very well, setting up the different factions. And it is great that none of the factions is completely black and white, there is enough backstory and flashbacks making you at least understand where they are all coming from. At the end of this, I have no idea anymore who the villains are actually, and who to support... and I think that was entirely on purpose. Was this the right way to set up a series pilot? Not sure. And now we come into spoiler territory. {Spoiler} This ends on a cliffhanger. We have the heroine confused, standing in between the three factions, no idea who to trust anymore. And all three factions at each other’s throats. I for one would love to hear more. It is an interesting premise and a reasonably fresh and good setting. As for the genre.... as some others have commented, this starts out as something like Alien. And I also got a strong No Mans Sky vibe from that planet. Coincidence? But as soon as the xenophobic Tritons turn up, it was pretty clear to me pretty soon (there were all the hints about them only having primitive computers) that this was going into the Butlerian Jihad direction. Which it did. And then we have the half alien faction being controlled by a living planet with strong psychic powers. Something like Eco- Jedi? So we end up with the three factions, also revealing that the guys on the ship are AI controlled machine minds. What a reveal! I had not expected the story developing like this and it does a great job subverting expectations and going off into a different direction than first thought. I am curious to find out more. I hope this sells well enough and is interesting enough for people to make this a success. All in all it is not a bad effort, even if some parts lean heavily on established SciFi material.
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Post by elkawho on Jun 1, 2020 2:41:37 GMT
I was looking forward to this one so I hate say that I was disappointed. The acting was great, but the core of the story just didn't ring true. {Spoiler} Is the AI controlling Anna? Ok, so you're supposed to start to thing so by the the end of the story, but if that's the case why did it let Anna go after Daisy in the first place and almost die? If the AI was in control, why didn't she stop her instead of just warn her continuously? And I was bothered by the fact that EVERY woman in the piece was peaceful and "good", and EVERY man was horrible. Even the "good" man from the Human Frontier, Bob, ends up being tone deaf by the end. {Spoiler} And I'm sorry, I don't think it's great that Daisy was willing to let herself and Anna die in favor of the creatures on the planet. There's a difference between protecting yourself and others from a serious threat and going hunting. Anna didn't consent to letting herself die when checking out that planet. Daisy was just as insensitive and manipulative as the Tritons. Anna is treated like a slave from EVERYONE. Her life is meaningless even to the woman who supposedly loves her. This ends in a cliffhanger, and I don't even care. This is the Original I have liked the least. If there is more, I don't think I'll be buying it.
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 1, 2020 7:13:11 GMT
I was looking forward to this one so I hate say that I was disappointed. The acting was great, but the core of the story just didn't ring true. {Spoiler} Is the AI controlling Anna? Ok, so you're supposed to start to thing so by the the end of the story, but if that's the case why did it let Anna go after Daisy in the first place and almost die? If the AI was in control, why didn't she stop her instead of just warn her continuously? And I was bothered by the fact that EVERY woman in the piece was peaceful and "good", and EVERY man was horrible. Even the "good" man from the Human Frontier, Bob, ends up being tone deaf by the end. {Spoiler} And I'm sorry, I don't think it's great that Daisy was willing to let herself and Anna die in favor of the creatures on the planet. There's a difference between protecting yourself and others from a serious threat and going hunting. Anna didn't consent to letting herself die when checking out that planet. Daisy was just as insensitive and manipulative as the Tritons. Anna is treated like a slave from EVERYONE. Her life is meaningless even to the woman who supposedly loves her. This ends in a cliffhanger, and I don't even care. This is the Original I have liked the least. If there is more, I don't think I'll be buying it. I agree that the use of mainly „evil“ male characters and supposed „good“ females was a bit off putting. But it is not true, is it? The only supposedly good person is Anna. There is just no real good in the story. As for the scene on that planet... {Spoiler} This also confused me. At first. Yes, the commander did not want to kill the first alien life they encountered. But when I continue to listen to the story, I think there is more to it. I think that this planet was the mysterious living planet mentioned later and that the creatures trying to eat the commander created a psychic link to her. This is why she was singled out and abducted. And yes this is really a nightmare for Anna. She ends up standing in between the lines of everybody and she has no hope for a happy end. There are no good guys in this story, every faction is just trying to control everybody else by force.
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Post by Whovitt on Jun 1, 2020 14:20:52 GMT
(This post will go into spoilers, so read on at your own risk)
If I'm perfectly honest, I didn't have a clue what was going on by the end. My interpretation was that this was all just a "hyper-sleep induced dream", with Dendrick using Nilly as a way of interpreting the dreams. All this is based on that scene near the end where he is discussing stuff with Nilly about what makes humans humans (although, having just typed that, he wasn't supposed to be able to talk to Nilly anyway... that hadn't occurred to me until just now).
If it was all just a dream then it all feels really inconsequential. If it's not just a dream, then what exactly was going on with the Dendrick/Nilly scene? If that conversation was taking place in the past, what relevance did it actually bear on current events? I don't know, the complete lack of any explanations for anything by the end sadly doesn't have me intrigued, just irritated that after four hours of listening I really don't know what happened beyond a (frankly) very basic plot with very basic characters. Ironically, there didn't really feel like there was anything particularly "original" about this release. It felt very much like a lot of well-worn sci-fi assets being repurposed to try to tell a new story, but since there was no resolution to anything at all (and the fact that the Originals range doesn't seem to have gone too well, with only ATA Girl receiving a (reduced in length) second run) I just feel like there really wasn't much point to all of this.
I guess my summary of the release would be this: "Part 1" of any story should still be able to tell a story in its own right. If that story isn't gripping in and of itself, you're not likely to get an audience clamouring for "Part 2". My feelings for this are like the ones I have for the first season of Lost - it wanted to tell a story but didn't feel like actually getting to that story until after the first season. Sorry, but I sat through 25 episodes of that show only for next to none of it to actually count for anything. Once bitten, twice shy. I'll be seriously debating whether or not to get the second series of this (should it happen).
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 1, 2020 16:17:31 GMT
(This post will go into spoilers, so read on at your own risk) If I'm perfectly honest, I didn't have a clue what was going on by the end. My interpretation was that this was all just a "hyper-sleep induced dream", with Dendrick using Nilly as a way of interpreting the dreams. All this is based on that scene near the end where he is discussing stuff with Nilly about what makes humans humans (although, having just typed that, he wasn't supposed to be able to talk to Nilly anyway... that hadn't occurred to me until just now). If it was all just a dream then it all feels really inconsequential. If it's not just a dream, then what exactly was going on with the Dendrick/Nilly scene? If that conversation was taking place in the past, what relevance did it actually bear on current events? I don't know, the complete lack of any explanations for anything by the end sadly doesn't have me intrigued, just irritated that after four hours of listening I really don't know what happened beyond a (frankly) very basic plot with very basic characters. Ironically, there didn't really feel like there was anything particularly "original" about this release. It felt very much like a lot of well-worn sci-fi assets being repurposed to try to tell a new story, but since there was no resolution to anything at all (and the fact that the Originals range doesn't seem to have gone too well, with only ATA Girl receiving a (reduced in length) second run) I just feel like there really wasn't much point to all of this. I guess my summary of the release would be this: "Part 1" of any story should still be able to tell a story in its own right. If that story isn't gripping in and of itself, you're not likely to get an audience clamouring for "Part 2". My feelings for this are like the ones I have for the first season of Lost - it wanted to tell a story but didn't feel like actually getting to that story until after the first season. Sorry, but I sat through 25 episodes of that show only for next to none of it to actually count for anything. Once bitten, twice shy. I'll be seriously debating whether or not to get the second series of this (should it happen). Hmm. Interesting thoughts. Interesting interpretation! I would not have thought of that, but now that you speak it out loud...
What did I make of that scene with Nilly at the end? {Spoiler} I actually thought that Dendrick might still be somehow alive in the AI network. And therefore able to talk to Nilly and control her. Maybe he has downloaded part of his consciousness into the AI. This would also make sense- as far as I understood it is Nilly there to help and support and does not really have any world domination ambitions. But with a controlling human consciousness in the background, someone who has more sinister plans and plans about dominating the human race, could very well create a situation in which the AI would start taking over the planet as the rebel Tritons claim. It would also nicely create a leader for the faction of the machine minds. Of course played by Nick. Who also plays some other creatures bent on universal domination. So we would have the xenophobic Tritons with their psychopathic leader, the Eco Jedi and their living planet mind and the machine minds with their creator. Setting up a nice little three front skirmish.
However, if we do not get a second series, having the explanation you were giving would add a conclusion. Just not a very satisfying one.
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