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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 4:54:37 GMT
I still have the last two episodes to go.But day off today and will put them on while i do the house chores. It was funny i relistened to the very first Diary Episode 1-The Boundless Sea and I couldn’t place the openingscene of the wife being buried alive in the Tomb and it just flashed into my mind that it was Joan Collins in Land Of The Pharoahs...not as quick as i used to be 😆 m.youtube.com/watch?v=V2cT4vEw98oOf course None Of The actors were Egyptian should if i find it on DVD not watch it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 7:25:10 GMT
Just finished River Song 4 now with Someone I Once Knew and My Dinner with Andrew i have to say JohnDorney really knows how to write River,Davison and Baker.These are firm favourites.The Discordia are such a fun/Terrifying villain.These Box sets have really surprised me each have served the respective Doctors well and am glad to say my sisters are now becoming BF fans...Hats off Mr Dorney two new fans
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 9, 2018 22:14:53 GMT
Well, that was rather good and episode 4? What a beautifully modulated performance given by Tom Baker. And what a great couple 4 & River make.
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Post by DavidHogan on Sept 10, 2018 7:35:02 GMT
I really enjoyed the set overall, the last two were especially well written in two very different genres, and I loved the River/Fourth Doctor stuff. Episode 1 was the weakest (which was most evident when a pair of characters from that episode were written completely differently in the following story and much better for it) and Episode 4 was probably the best. Well worth the money regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 18:03:01 GMT
I really enjoyed the set overall, the last two were especially well written in two very different genres, and I loved the River/Fourth Doctor stuff. Episode 1 was the weakest (which was most evident when a pair of characters from that episode were written completely differently in the following story and much better for it) and Episode 4 was probably the best. Well worth the money regardless. I have really enjoyed each of the sets.Love the character loved the stories and loved the interaction with each of the Doctors. Those scenes with MCCoy really make me smile a lot,so very MCCoy Doctor and so very River Song the writers have done them all proud
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Post by sherlock on Sept 11, 2018 16:31:18 GMT
Finished Time in a Bottle and Kings of Infinite Space
Solid stuff so far. Some big concepts being thrown around, mixed with some Adams-esque ones, and the Discordia are suitably menacing. Nice to see some consequences of River's escapades being explored in Kings too.
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Post by frosty on Sept 11, 2018 17:41:40 GMT
Looks like I'm going to be the one negative Nancy here, but I feel like I need to write it down anyway. Spoilerless: Nothing against River or Four, my issues are with the circumstances. I think "Someone I once knew" was very Moffat, but unfortunately the side of Moffat I've never liked. "Make the situation absolutely hopeless and then suddenly solve everything with pressing a POWER OF LOVE button." It can work in some cases, but most of the times it just makes me groan and this story was the latter case.
I'd love to tell BF they don't need to outdo themselves on the villain front with these stories. The Discordia was WAY too powerful, because of this there ended up too much running from them - even on Doctor Who levels, which is saying something xD - and very little actual planning on how to defeat them. River hardly even contributed there in the final stories, aside from sending the Doctor to their planet in the end.
Genocidal overlord trying to win her over didn't move me at all - there was no real drama there, at no point did I - or I presume, anyone - think she'd fall for him. The part where Dante tries to manipulate her into it by threatening to remove the Doctor from her memory - now THAT was some very powerful stuff, I loved that. (A bit disappointed, I thought Dante would use Ganore (and I probably spelled that wrong even though I liked her :S) that way, but oh well.
It's the Emperor pressing the RESET button so easily I didn't buy at all. The whole species of Discordia were all the same in thinking - even the Emperor admitted, they are all "evil" - and yet this one character, the leader no less, is ready to kill his own species because he loved one woman so much... Yeah.. just not buying it. I love River and the Doctor, it's my most powerful ship from the whole DW universe, but this was just too much. xD
I'd much rather have had a story with them having to outthink the Emperor too, even if that would have ended up with the RESET button still pushed, just by them.
TL;DR: I liked it, but still think Vol. 3 was much better.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 11, 2018 17:57:48 GMT
Looks like I'm going to be the one negative Nancy here, but I feel like I need to write it down anyway. Spoilerless: Nothing against River or Four, my issues are with the circumstances. Spoiler
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Well, I loved the fact that the Discordia were so powerful (we have much too few really powerful interesting recurring enemies!!) and I did not mind all the running around.
But I agree with you on the ending and the resent button. I also did not really like or even buy this deus ex machina/ love solves all.
I actually would have loved it when the whole thing had ended in a draw. That way, they could have re-used the Discordia. They had soooo much potential as a powerful enemy, it was such a waste to get rid of them after just one box set.
I know, it was kind of necessary to use the reset button to not play the "River uses her lipstick again to make the Doctor forget"- card, but I would have accepted it in exchange for keeping the Discordia around and at large.
So the ending was a too easy way out and a wasted opportunity in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 20:32:36 GMT
I listended through once,once i go through it again i will form a definite opinion
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Post by sherlock on Sept 11, 2018 23:51:25 GMT
All wrapped up, not as good as Series 3 overall but enjoyable. Need to go into spoilers really: {Spoiler} Whodunnit was pretty good, the mystery was well thought out and paid off. Not entirely sure what happened to drive the Discordia out of the story at the end though, it seemed to happen a bit quickly.
Someone I Once Knew was odd. The interplay between Kingston and Baker was brilliant, but they spent the majority of the story apart. River's storyline with the General was weird, paying off somewhat over the threat to remove the Doctor from her life, and then ultimately the plot was resolved by neither her nor the Doctor, but a character who does not speak until 40 minutes in. It just seemed an odd way to wrap it up, I get the seeds were sown earlier but it just seemed a weird choice.
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Post by nottenst on Sept 12, 2018 15:07:28 GMT
Just finishing the final story. A great set as usual. Need to read other comments.
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Post by nottenst on Sept 12, 2018 15:32:01 GMT
Also finished it! Well, I liked it. It was fun, especially the last episode with Alex and Tom together. That was great! It really makes you wish there was a chance that we could see these days with the UNIT-team and River and the Doctor...
It is a fun romp, River gets many witty lines and the villains are interesting and we definitely should see something like them more often.
I was just a bit sad that the set ended how it ended and that this means we might not see these villains again?
They really had potential!
Overall, I admit, the second box-set is still my favorite. This one did not quite push it off it's throne.
Yes, that alternate timeline with River and UNIT would be a treat. As for how it ended meaning we won't see the villains again - I can't see how else it could have ended except perhaps only restoring things to how they were before the end of the first episode. I guess there was some sort of stability there with the Discordia trapped in no time. I had thought it was only a group of them, though and not all of them. Not quite sure there. The interactions between The Doctor and River were great - especially her confusion at the beginning. Need to start listening to the Behind the Scenes later today.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 12, 2018 16:50:38 GMT
If I had one complaint, and I'm sure I'm probably echoing someone else, it is that The Discordia are a really good villain species and the way they are handled leaves little room for their return.
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Post by frosty on Sept 12, 2018 17:04:24 GMT
Looks like I'm going to be the one negative Nancy here, but I feel like I need to write it down anyway. Spoilerless: Nothing against River or Four, my issues are with the circumstances. {Spoiler}Well, I loved the fact that the Discordia were so powerful (we have much too few really powerful interesting recurring enemies!!) and I did not mind all the running around. But I agree with you on the ending and the resent button. I also did not really like or even buy this deus ex machina/ love solves all.
I actually would have loved it when the whole thing had ended in a draw. That way, they could have re-used the Discordia. They had soooo much potential as a powerful enemy, it was such a waste to get rid of them after just one box set.
I know, it was kind of necessary to use the reset button to not play the "River uses her lipstick again to make the Doctor forget"- card, but I would have accepted it in exchange for keeping the Discordia around and at large. So the ending was a too easy way out and a wasted opportunity in my opinion. {Spoiler}It's not even the "powerfulness" (is that even a word xD) I had issues with, but the nature of it. I really don't know how else they could beat the Discordia if used in another story. I mean an entire race who, if you manage to figure out a way to stop them, they just travel back in time and stop you from doing it... :S The RESET button's already the answer in a lot of timetravelling stories for stopping way too big threats ((and also how I think they are planning to solve Avengers: Infinity war but anyway...)) Removing their way to travel in time in the first place was the only way, but then, I actually agree with the Emperor, what if they discover it again?Hm.. come to think of it... Maybe that's the whole reason the Emperor had to be the one to save the day... Neither the Doctor nor River would have erased an entire race, especially for a "what if it goes wrong again" reason. "But if it's one of the Discordia themselves, then it's ok."... Well weird. xD Tho' maybe a way out of this could have been not making the entire race alike, and maybe let them re-discover timetravelling just not use it for world domination? After all the whole timetravelling stuff usually is about this or that event being changed meaning an entire world changing, and that sort of thing...I think I might have been ok with a draw though, but the RESET button became unavoidable once they destroyed Earth (plus with the Doctor's memories of all that stuff they've never done. )
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Post by nottenst on Sept 14, 2018 13:48:27 GMT
I loved ze outrageous accent of Dante (Nicholas Asbury) in Whodunnit? I hope they had as much fun recording that story as I had listening to it 😀 It sounded like it from the Behind the Scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 5:30:08 GMT
All of these box sets have been impressive and highly enjoyable listening and make me anticipate more of the same with the Masters set.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Sept 18, 2018 15:43:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 16:24:39 GMT
More for the bus ride home
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 18:12:30 GMT
The first two volumes were released on Christmas Day...the coda to the last story kinda makes me wish this was too. Lovely stuff.
How they really made me feel Tom and River fell in love in that one story was quite something. Wasn't crazy about the three stories preceding it - all a bit BF's greatest hits but that last story was brill.
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Post by kinghumble on Sept 19, 2018 22:52:41 GMT
I did enjoy this set, but I don't know that we saw much of River's "sociopathic" side. And I love her sociopathic side; two of my favourite moments in her series were 1) the coldness with which she dispatched Samuel West when she discovered how he'd manipulated her, and 2) the theatrical way she took down the Rulers of the Universe by crossing her own timestream dozens of times within the span of one hour, turning herself into a one-woman squad of secret agents! Loved it, loved it.
In this set, River seemed quite saddened by the genocide of a genocidal race... I dunno. I know she softens when the Doctor is around (and, yes, full kudos for the twist of this alternate timeline Doctor having already known River and dropping the "Hello Sweetie" bomb!) so I don't want to suggest that her reaction was out-of-character, but I do think that type of ending belongs more in a series where the Doctor is the main character, or maybe a Bernice Summerfield story. To me, a River Song story doesn't really resolve itself by saying, "Gosh, what a shame we couldn't make peace with those genocidal people, violence is wrong." To me, a River Song story resolves by saying, "Hah! They got what's coming to them. And my hair still looks great!"
And sure, clearly River isn't ~really~ a sociopath at heart; "Five Twenty-Nine" was a haunting story, and clearly showed River can form relationships and can empathize with other people just fine; I love that we have those stories too.
But I like River best when she's problem-solving with attitude; I hope we get more of that in the next box-set, because to be honest it seemed like River spent most of this one reacting to other people's actions, rather than taking any control.
As a side-note - I also hope they get Arthur Darvill in for a future River Song release! A daddy-daughter-day-trip, why not? He's such a perfect straight-man for her over-the-top antics. But also... that scene in "The Impossible Astronaut" where River confided in Rory about her relationship-fears was quite touching, and for me made all the more poignant on rewatch once I knew they're father-daughter. To me, it showed that River really had bonded with Rory, even when he didn't know who she was; she needed her dad's shoulder to cry on, even if he didn't know that's what she was doing. She was hurting, and she needed her dad. I'd really like more of that!
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