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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 9:32:38 GMT
The Doctor's sabotaging a bit of the equipment now. Good heavens, the Daleks can track people travelling through the City by the vibrations they make. Skaro is so dead a world that not even a rustle is beyond scrutiny. There's something genuinely special about seeing these live again. I wonder if there's a word for it? That thrill of uncertainty, even though you know precisely where it's going. The brain tricking itself into thinking it's still anyone's game. Watched the first stream. It's been too long since I last saw those early Hartnell stories. I do find them wonderfully unique in the sense of danger to them. You really get a sense that these characters have been violently uprooted and forced to fend in hostile situations, which I don't think really comes across in later iterations of Who. The John McClane effect, yeah. I really enjoy seeing it pop up with companions in how they behave. They're just like anyone. They know they're not invincible and do actually fear for their lives, so every heroic feat feels just that bit more extraordinary because of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 9:55:01 GMT
Looks like we're on a different scheldue over here. Currently The Daleks is airing. Yeah they run the stories 3 times a day. Have you checked the schedule? www.doctorwho.tv/watch/twitch/#US
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 9:55:57 GMT
Getting a big grin on my face whenever Ian sees something and the chat shouts "LONDON 1965!"
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 10:09:05 GMT
Getting a big grin on my face whenever Ian sees something and the chat shouts "LONDON 1965!" "HE KNOWS" they shout. This is really, really exciting. I'm actually getting chills.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 19:47:02 GMT
I'm in the chat tonight if anyone fancies dropping in
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Post by sherlock on May 30, 2018 20:43:08 GMT
The Keys of Marinus was an odd one. A weird patchwork of stories, ranging from the interesting in Morphoton and Millennius to the somewhat dull ('evil Hagrid' as the Twitch chat coined him). Voord seemed under utilised, though Yartek trying to pose as Arbitan was unintentionally hilarious (at least Big Finish provide a retcon for why he keeps his helmet on under the cloak).
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 21:08:31 GMT
The Keys of Marinus was an odd one. A weird patchwork of stories, ranging from the interesting in Morphoton and Millennius to the somewhat dull ('evil Hagrid' as the Twitch chat coined him). Voord seemed under utilised, though Yartek trying to pose as Arbitan was unintentionally hilarious (at least Big Finish provide a retcon for why he keeps his helmet on under the cloak). I realise now why people have labelled it a stinker.
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Post by sherlock on May 30, 2018 22:28:48 GMT
The Aztecs was a pleasure once again.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 0:52:39 GMT
The Keys of Marinus was an odd one. A weird patchwork of stories, ranging from the interesting in Morphoton and Millennius to the somewhat dull ('evil Hagrid' as the Twitch chat coined him). Voord seemed under utilised, though Yartek trying to pose as Arbitan was unintentionally hilarious (at least Big Finish provide a retcon for why he keeps his helmet on under the cloak). Yeah, which is a shame really because the core idea is really rather fun (every week a new terror!) and the first two episodes are fairly strong. "The Velvet Web" remains one of my favourites for societies where everything here isn't quite as it appears. Millennius too feels like one of those Lawful Good cities you encounter in D&D settings where a more morally ambiguous character doing the right thing ends up in more trouble than an obviously bad guy following the rule of law does. Makes me wonder if, for those two episodes in the middle ("Snows" and "Jungle"), they should have done what The Dungeonmaster did and have a new writer for each segment before journeying on to Millennius. In any case, I'd be really fascinated to see a full world map of the planet. Everything from the Sea of Death to the Snows of Terror, maybe even some places that the TARDIS team missed on their jaunting around the globe. Still, if people enjoyed the quest-style adventuring of Marinus and would like to see, well hear more, then I highly recommend Seasons of Fear for the price of pocket change from BF as a nice companion piece. Four episodes, a deadly alien threat, historical roulette, no waiting.
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Post by sherlock on May 31, 2018 1:11:11 GMT
Well The Sensorites is another odd one. There's some great world building, lovely character moments between the Doctor and Susan, first description of the Doctor's homeworld and the first episode is terrific at building up the threat.
But it's so long!
Maybe it didn't help that it's now passed 2 am UK time, but it seemed to really drag on. There was not 6 episodes worth of incidence here imo.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 13:39:55 GMT
Well The Sensorites is another odd one. There's some great world building, lovely character moments between the Doctor and Susan, first description of the Doctor's homeworld and the first episode is terrific at building up the threat. But it's so long! Maybe it didn't help that it's now passed 2 am UK time, but it seemed to really drag on. There was not 6 episodes worth of incidence here imo. I watched up to the point where Ian started choking on some water and decided not to come back to it this morning
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 13:42:47 GMT
Well The Sensorites is another odd one. There's some great world building, lovely character moments between the Doctor and Susan, first description of the Doctor's homeworld and the first episode is terrific at building up the threat. But it's so long! Maybe it didn't help that it's now passed 2 am UK time, but it seemed to really drag on. There was not 6 episodes worth of incidence here imo. I watched up to the point where Ian started choking on some water and decided not to come back to it this morning Oh god it's still on!
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Post by number13 on May 31, 2018 18:03:10 GMT
A classic evening's viewing starts with one I've never seen... time for the Planet of Giants
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Post by sherlock on May 31, 2018 19:21:44 GMT
Planet of Giants was alright. Thank goodness it was cut down to 3 episodes, I really don't think it could have sustained a fourth.
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Post by number13 on May 31, 2018 19:23:14 GMT
That was great! Epic work by the BBC designers, well acted all round and a carefully thought out & credible plot from Louis Marks. (Slightly uneven story cuts showing near the start of part 3, from the cut episode, I think.)
And the supposedly beneficial insecticide which kills everything and builds up in the food chain - how brilliantly, horribly prescient the writing was. (I grew up at the time of the DDT disaster in the 70s, but this was written ten years before.)
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 19:29:28 GMT
Don't think I've ever seen something as good as the shot where the murder victim's face is plastered across the screen and Ian walks into frame just to stare at it curiously.
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Post by dasmaniac on May 31, 2018 19:30:37 GMT
It's been years since I've some of these early Hartnell stories. Wonderful era. The Doctor was still new at traveling the universe and the situations were genuinely dangerous for the characters.
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Post by number13 on May 31, 2018 19:40:23 GMT
Planet of Giants was alright. Thank goodness it was cut down to 3 episodes, I really don't think it could have sustained a fourth. Yes, the 'murder plot' side was running out of steam - too often they would have tried to stretch out the story to four parts to reuse the sets etc. Making the story the right length is much the better choice.
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Post by sherlock on May 31, 2018 22:02:34 GMT
The Dalek Invasion of Earth. A landmark story. The Doctor for the first time plants his flag and declares he will end an injustice, and in such a dyabmic way as well (Flat out telling a Dalek 'Not for long', starring down the Dalek knowing it's power is about to be cut off). Susan's departure is very well done, her romance with David is well developed and her final scene with the Doctor (face-to-face that is) is really well done, and then of course the iconic speech which is far more powerful in full context. Never has the 60s theme seemed so melancholy than following those scenes.
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Post by number13 on May 31, 2018 22:41:50 GMT
It really is one of the classic stories, perfectly suited to the B&W era for its gloomy, grimy, desperate portrayal of occupied Earth and I much prefer it to the glossy cinema version, for that look and for its seriousness. I'm not keen on the Slyther (it's much better in the novel ) and the Robomen selection test is so tricky that the Daleks would never select any Robomen if their prisoners had to be as clever as the Doctor to pass it!
But it has an epic sweep matched by few other stories and I always wish that Richard Martin could have made the whole production on film and preferably on location, 'Spearhead' style. His film sequences are superb, especially those with Barbara, Susan & Dortmun escaping across London. Mind you, there are some great studio sequences too - the rebels' failed attack at the heliport stands out for me and studio action was notoriously difficult to do. And of course, Susan growing up and the sense that the first ever change in the main cast is coming.
Top highlight - Barbara playing 'Dalek skittles' on the road north.
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