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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 23:47:55 GMT
I was informed in the chat that the Nation estate didn't want Twitch to stream any non-Nation episodes.
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Post by number13 on Jun 4, 2018 8:50:23 GMT
They're only showing Dalek stories written by Terry Nation - 'Revelation of the Daleks' is another one missing.
It must be something to do with licensing; a pity, Day, Revelation and Remembrance are three Dalek favourites of mine and I'm sure they would be popular with a new audience.
And 'The Five Doctors' is also missing - which seems ridiculous. It's a fabulous story and they could have just cut the one brief Dalek scene, which is irrelevant to the rest of the story anyway.
Did you really just say cut the Dalek scene?!!!!!!
*Ducks, runs and hides* Yes but only because it would be better than cutting the whole story!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 9:13:39 GMT
Did you really just say cut the Dalek scene?!!!!!!
*Ducks, runs and hides* Yes but only because it would be better than cutting the whole story! See, this is one of the things I love about online forums, because I cannot envision this part of the conversation without @stevo's Dalek Supreme profile pic whirling around to shout: "NOTHING CAN RESIST THE CLOUT OF THE DALEKS."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 10:20:43 GMT
I was informed in the chat that the Nation estate didn't want Twitch to stream any non-Nation episodes. Bit annoyed about that, especially as Revelation and Remembrance are the best two in the classic series.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jun 4, 2018 10:23:18 GMT
I was informed in the chat that the Nation estate didn't want Twitch to stream any non-Nation episodes. They only wanted to screen Nations episodes?
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Post by number13 on Jun 4, 2018 10:52:59 GMT
The Chase
Mire beasts and fungoids, ze Count and Frankenstein's Monster, Mechanoids, desert fish, fake accents and the Mary Celeste! I'd forgotten quite how - ah, entertaining - parts of this story get and it's never dull! If you don't like the story, wait an episode (or even half an episode) and a new story will be right along! It's basically two 'serious' two-parters (Aridius and Mechanus) with a mostly comic filling sandwiched between them and oozing out into the serious sections too. I wonder how much of the (ahem) 'unusual' Dalek behaviour and other humour in this one was down to Dennis Spooner's script editing, bearing in mind the fun he brought to the show in his own stories.
And it's farewell to William Russell and Jacqueline Hill - and weren't they fabulous, all the way from Coal Hill to 'London, 1965!'
Highlights: - Peter Purves is a double highlight. Introducing Steven, a splendid Companion (though mostly wiped from the archives, sadly.) And also with his other, Stetson hat on! Not the accent(!) but his reactions to events - and the way that the comedy suddenly turns into hold-your-breath tension. He shakes a Dalek by the gun and lives to tell the tale. He never realised it, but at that moment Morton Dill from Alabama was the bravest man in the Universe. - The Battle of Mechanus - very well done, an exciting end to the chase.
- And the ending, sad and wonderful at the same time. Barbara and Ian were two of the best and most fortunate Companions even though they never intended to be Companions at all. Their travels brought them love, memories for two lifetimes and a ticket home. How many other Companions were so lucky?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 11:41:06 GMT
I was informed in the chat that the Nation estate didn't want Twitch to stream any non-Nation episodes. They only wanted to screen Nations episodes? [Hmmm... does a mental check of all Doctor Who stories written by Terry Nation...]
What a great idea, a themed stream! We could call it Terry Nation Once Again and re-run all of his [surviving] Doctor Who episodes.
I'm up for it, where do I log-in?
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jun 4, 2018 17:06:23 GMT
If anybody's watching EVERYTHING, I'm impressed. Six episodes of "The Chase" in one sitting at the weekend almost wiped me out (although starting on a pint of snakebite probably didn't help).
Incidentally, that jaunty music that introduced each episode of "The Chase", was that intended perhaps to evoke the Cushing movie themes?
(I only saw a few minutes of "The Web Planet" because I was busy, but the Menoptera flying/landing struck me as quite impressive, and I reckon CGI could make something of the Venom Grubs/whatsit Guns; even the Zarbi are doable, with a little thought. The new series definitely ought to go back to Vortis).
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Post by sherlock on Jun 4, 2018 17:47:43 GMT
If anybody's watching EVERYTHING, I'm impressed. Six episodes of "The Chase" in one sitting at the weekend almost wiped me out (although starting on a pint of snakebite probably didn't help). Incidentally, that jaunty music that introduced each episode of "The Chase", was that intended perhaps to evoke the Cushing movie themes? (I only saw a few minutes of "The Web Planet" because I was busy, but the Menoptera flying/landing struck me as quite impressive, and I reckon CGI could make something of the Venom Grubs/whatsit Guns; even the Zarbi are doable, with a little thought. The new series definitely ought to go back to Vortis). I have marathoned all the previous sessions (skipping tonight as I'm busy unfortunately), and it's been interesting, if a little tiring. The continuous storylines of the Hartnell era actually lend themselves quite well to marathoning, save the unfortunate gaps due to missing stories.
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Post by number13 on Jun 4, 2018 19:44:33 GMT
The Time Meddler A personal favourite from across the whole of Classic Who, a story filled with humour which also remembers the dark side of the Dark Ages. But it's the humour that wins out and it also gave us two perfect partnerships: Maureen O’Brien and Peter Purves are excellent as the newly teamed-up companions and their friendly, sometimes slightly exasperated 'sister-brother' relationship works very well. (And we are getting FOUR EAs with this team this year, thank you so much BF! ) Peter Butterworth was a fantastic choice to guest star as The Monk and he and William Hartnell play off each other brilliantly in a funny, quite gentle but very determined battle of wits and rival moralities. This story gave us the Monk, it invented the pseudo historical and it all builds to the episode 3 cliff-hanger, which is one of the all-time greats... {Ep 3 Cliffhanger Spoiler}... as Vicki says: “The Monk’s got a TARDIS!” Not just a time machine (like the Daleks had) but another TARDIS! In that single moment viewers at last knew for certain that the Doctor wasn’t just some solitary genius who’d built his own time machine. He and the Monk must both be from an advanced alien people with a planet out there somewhere, where they roll TARDISes off an unimaginably sophisticated production line. So, without naming them for several years yet, Gallifrey and the Time Lords were born. It’s quite a moment.
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Post by number13 on Jun 4, 2018 19:46:03 GMT
And now for one of the very,very few I've never seen. I have most of Steven's stories on soundtrack CD, but The Ark is all new territory. Here goes!
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Post by sherlock on Jun 4, 2018 22:00:43 GMT
Just tuned in time for the end of The Gunfighters Part 1-the legendary Ballad of the Last Chance Saloon. Quick glance at a plot synopsis has filled me in, so time to settle in for another marathon.
Oh boy. This is gonna be a fun one.
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Post by number13 on Jun 4, 2018 22:40:23 GMT
The Ark Very impressed by this story - for starters the budget has obviously gone up a lot since (say) 'The Keys of Marinus', with excellent sets and mostly very good effects. It brings home how much time has really passed (and how many episodes have sadly been lost) since we saw 'The Chase' yesterday. A thoughtful and serious plot (the first half was especially good imo), it worked in science-fiction terms and played well with issues and events in Earth history: {Spoiler}Colonialism, slavery, the terrible historic effect of everyday diseases on populations with no immunity, witch trials. And that the only way forward is to live together in peace.
That was a lot of issues to fit in to a single story, but I thought it worked. The Monoid costumes were a bit distracting (so much hair, is this the 70s already!) and I can't be the first to find Dodo slightly annoying at times, or to burst out laughing at the immortal line: {LOL Spoiler}"Take them to the security kitchen!"
But the half-time twist and cliff-hanger was an absolute classic; brilliiant!
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Post by sherlock on Jun 4, 2018 23:16:02 GMT
The Gunfighters.
I actually enjoyed it. The Ballad works well as a framing device (it's unique if nothing else) and the gunfight was done quite well.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 5, 2018 1:01:47 GMT
The War Machines. Pretty good. Another bit of development for the Doctor, his general distaste for military solutions beginning here, and as the first contemporary story it's not too shabby.
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Post by number13 on Jun 5, 2018 8:48:46 GMT
The Gunfighters I think this is a great story right from the opening shot of 'Tombstone' as 'The Ballad of the Last Chance Saloon' starts up for the first time (of what will be about 5000, but I still like it and it ties the story together well.) The Doctor and friends play mostly comic roles as (like Donald Cotton's other, sadly lost, story 'The Myth Makers') the narrative gradually shifts from a first episode that's near-comedy to a brutal climax; the infamous gunfight is filmed very well and (except no blood at teatime) without rose-tinting the violence. But it's as a comedy that I always remember this story; William Hartnell sparkles, Peter Purves makes a brilliant 'tenderfoot dude' in Steven's 'glam cowboy' outfit and I think this is Jackie Lane's best story by a long way as Dodo is written with some character and wits about her. And (one or two variable accents aside!) the guest cast do a great job of making a budget Western in typically good BBC sets. I've never understood why 'The Gunfighters' was once thought of as THE most rubbish of all rubbish stories, buried in the 'Boot Hill' cemetery of epic Doctor Who fails by fans who'd never seen it. Donald Cotton's own 'Target' novelisation said otherwise (in the mid 80s) and when I finally saw the story, I knew the novel was right. Yee-har! ('I don't want you falling prey to every cliché about the Wild West!' Quite right, Doctor! )
(If you've never read them, I most highly recommend Donald Cotton's novelisations of this story and of 'The Myth Makers', or even better, their BBC Audiobooks - two gems of the range. This one is read by Shane Rimmer (Seth ‘Snake-Eyes’ Harper) as a trail-worn old journalist with a story to tell and 'The Myth Makers' is read by Stephen Thorne as Homer, no less.)
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Post by number13 on Jun 5, 2018 9:20:38 GMT
The War MachinesEnvisaged as 'something new' at the time, half a century later this is effectively a Hartnell-era pseudo-historical set in the swinging Sixties and that’s one of its strengths. The “technology” elements of the plot do look dated, but the idea of the global network was prescient. And the character writing, Sixties dialogue and cultural references, sets and locations are all very impressive.
The actors’ performances lift the whole story and carry it along very enjoyably indeed. Watching it now, this side of the story is a wonderful historical picture of London, from the brand-new Post Office Tower, black cabs and the market at Covent Garden to the ‘happening’ nightclub crowd dancing in their suits and ties and ‘fab’ fashions.
William Hartnell still 'has it' as the Doctor, Jackie Lane has a good script as 'evil brainwashed Dodo' (until she vanishes mid-story!) and it's an excellent introduction for Anneke Wills and Michael Craze. (And for this marathon, it's also good-bye because this is their only intact story! A great Companion partnership, they deserved so much better from the BBC.)
Frankly, WOTAN and the War Machines are no Daleks. But Michael Ferguson’s direction of the battles is excellent and sets a high standard for all the UNIT stories to come; the army are powerless to stop the machine menace but of course the Doctor can, using brains instead of brawn. Dig it, Doc!
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Post by number13 on Jun 5, 2018 18:07:42 GMT
Three absolute classics this evening - and every one of them a 'wiped story' I never thought I'd see when I read the 'Target' books in the 70s!
'Tomb' and 'Web' were top of my 'if only' wish list for stories I wanted to see - it took until 1992 and 2013, but sometimes wishes are granted.
(And my speculation about what they would do about the part-animated 'Ice Warriors' is answered - they aren't showing it!)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 18:29:51 GMT
Bit of a shock to be honest but it turns out that the Second Doctor DOESN'T KNOW
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 18:55:52 GMT
Never noticed the creepy reflex as The Cyber Leader holds it's head inside it's tomb. Very chilling and unnerving.
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