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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 10:35:48 GMT
Excuse my frustration, but rather than starting a thread complaining, report threads or posts that you feel are problematic - doing this rather than compounding the problem and baiting people as some have would be more constructive. If you have questions about something that has been reported, pm one or all of us and we will happily provide a response. Actually I think this has been a good thread and has enabled people to discuss the issue.
Personally I don't like the reporting posts option for duplicate posts of news/links etc. as I'd view the reporting a post option as being there for more serious charges like where a post is offensive in some way. I often browse this forum on a phone on my tea-break and find wading through a whole tranche of threads started for releases six months away, or duplicate links to the same release in different threads, very annoying on a small screen and time consuming! I don't feel it warrants reporting the poster though. But if mods nip that sort of thing in the bud with a message to the poster when it happens, it will eventually get cut out over time.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 18, 2018 10:39:42 GMT
I guess the issue is at what point does a release require a separate thread? For instance there is a MR 2018 discussion thread already, so does The Dispossessed (out in September) really require a separate thread yet, especially as that thread has only gained 3 replies so far, so is it really boosting forum activity? I can understand if a specific release has a major announcement about it that risks overtaking an overall discussion thread, such as the return of David Banks' Cyberleader or Iris Wildthyme, but if it doesn't, does it really require a specific thread yet? Another example is the 4DAs, where each story in Series 7B got its own thread but none of them have more than 3 replies. It just seems individual releases are sometimes getting threads for the sake of having a thread. Surely one overall 7B thread would cover this? This isn't intended as any kind of attack on anyone, it's just something I've been noticing over the months. Post is a bit more of a ramble then I'd originally intended, but I've typed it now might as well post. The Main Range 2018 thread could have been done in the updates thread. The way I rationalised the Fourth Doctor threads was that since the stories are available both individually and in a set, someone may want to only pick up one and not worry about spoilers for the others. Ditto for the Tenth Doctor Adventures Volume 2. These aren't standard, are specified in the threads and so far have only been done for the two Tenth Doctor sets and the Fourth Doctor starting this year. Stories only available in collected box sets I won't make individual threads for because all the stories are collected in the same release. I know on the Big Finish forum it was individual threads, but release threads as opposed to story threads regarding box sets is tidier. But then do we get "Your Crowding the General Update Thread with specifics" calls?
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Post by pawntake on Jun 18, 2018 13:14:38 GMT
I am not talking about short quoted excerpts,i am talking about artwork ,story synopsis and cast lists which are just lifted from the BF site. Nothing is left out? That is plagiarism.!!!! This forum is full of plagiaristic posts!!! There's a link to the site's product page at the top of every thread, though? Tends to be the very first line of the post. For Main Range, some variation on -- "DOCTOR WHO - MAIN RANGE » XX. YY". And that should be sufficient.Click on the link and garner the info, story synopsis ,artwork,and cast list from the BF site itself.There is no need to replicate it on here.
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Post by Ela on Jun 18, 2018 17:26:07 GMT
The Main Range 2018 thread could have been done in the updates thread. The way I rationalised the Fourth Doctor threads was that since the stories are available both individually and in a set, someone may want to only pick up one and not worry about spoilers for the others. Ditto for the Tenth Doctor Adventures Volume 2. These aren't standard, are specified in the threads and so far have only been done for the two Tenth Doctor sets and the Fourth Doctor starting this year. Stories only available in collected box sets I won't make individual threads for because all the stories are collected in the same release. I know on the Big Finish forum it was individual threads, but release threads as opposed to story threads regarding box sets is tidier. Except that no one has used the individual Fourth Doctor series 7 threads for discussion. We don't need you to start a thread in case someone wants to discuss the individual releases.
If someone wants to start a discussion on an individual release of Fourth Doctor series 7, they are perfectly capable of starting a thread themselves. In fact, I'd prefer it. I really think it would be nice to give someone else an opportunity of starting a release thread, instead of having almost every last one started by you. What you did with the Fourth Doctor series 7 individual threads is the definition of a "placeholder" thread, and is part of the reason why we made a rule about placeholder threads.
I don't have a problem at all with the general main range 2018 thread. A lot of release titles were announced for the coming year and people wanted to discuss them. The amount of discussion in that thread justifies its existence.
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Post by Ela on Jun 18, 2018 17:31:37 GMT
Excuse my frustration, but rather than starting a thread complaining, report threads or posts that you feel are problematic - doing this rather than compounding the problem and baiting people as some have would be more constructive. If you have questions about something that has been reported, pm one or all of us and we will happily provide a response. Actually I think this has been a good thread and has enabled people to discuss the issue.
Personally I don't like the reporting posts option for duplicate posts of news/links etc. as I'd view the reporting a post option as being there for more serious charges like where a post is offensive in some way. I often browse this forum on a phone on my tea-break and find wading through a whole tranche of threads started for releases six months away, or duplicate links to the same release in different threads, very annoying on a small screen and time consuming! I don't feel it warrants reporting the poster though. But if mods nip that sort of thing in the bud with a message to the poster when it happens, it will eventually get cut out over time.
Actually, the reporting function for letting us know about duplicate posts and similar housekeeping tasks works very well. A number of forum members have used it and it has been helpful for us to keep things neat and in their place on the forum. It doesn't affect the reported poster in any kind of negative way unless the poster in question is breaking a forum rule. So please do use the report function to let us know about duplicate threads and the like. As has been said before, we moderators all have lots going on in our lives besides this forum and we can't see everything.
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Post by Ela on Jun 18, 2018 17:38:18 GMT
There's a link to the site's product page at the top of every thread, though? Tends to be the very first line of the post. For Main Range, some variation on -- "DOCTOR WHO - MAIN RANGE » XX. YY". And that should be sufficient.Click on the link and garner the info, story synopsis ,artwork,and cast list from the BF site itself.There is no need to replicate it on here.
There is not a problem with what's being done and it's certainly not plagiarism. Plagiarism is: "the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own." That's not what's going on here. No one is posting these things in the forum and saying it's their own work. In fact, they're using it to promote someone else's work. They are not personally benefiting from it or getting any monetary gain, so it's not a copyright infringement, either, anymore than it would be when a reviewer puts the producer's image and synopsis of a story on a site to accompany their review of the story.
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Post by glutamodo on Jun 18, 2018 18:54:52 GMT
I learned a long time ago that if one wants to "quote" online, someone else's opinions, you need to clearly attribute it, with a limited amount of quoted material and a direct link (or reference for printed material) to the original source. I think my view of doing this rather pre-dated my knowledge of "fair use" rules, but they rather do line up.
Yeah, I agree that pretty much all the time, such quoting here isn't intended to nor doesn't hurt anyone, but really, I would rather have everyone follow those kind of rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 19:27:48 GMT
If we have box sets with stories also available individually, can we just have pages for the individual stories rather than for the box set as a whole? Because then you get people having their thoughts on the individual stories split between the two threads, or, worse still, one of the two threads not being used at all.
Overall, though, I think the mods do a sterling job. Yes, some threads do get derailed, but the mods are always there if it becomes a circular argument, and the one time I've had to report a problem on here, it had been resolved within the hour.
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Post by pawntake on Jun 18, 2018 19:30:28 GMT
And that should be sufficient.Click on the link and garner the info, story synopsis ,artwork,and cast list from the BF site itself.There is no need to replicate it on here.
There is not a problem with what's being done and it's certainly not plagiarism. Plagiarism is: "the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own." That's not what's going on here. No one is posting these things in the forum and saying it's their own work. In fact, they're using it to promote someone else's work. They are not personally benefiting from it or getting any monetary gain, so it's not a copyright infringement, either, anymore than it would be when a reviewer puts the producer's image and synopsis of a story on a site to accompany their review of the story. I repeat a link should be sufficient.Click on the link and garner the info, story synopsis ,artwork,and cast list from the BF site itself.There is no need to replicate it on here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 19:32:41 GMT
The Main Range 2018 thread could have been done in the updates thread. The way I rationalised the Fourth Doctor threads was that since the stories are available both individually and in a set, someone may want to only pick up one and not worry about spoilers for the others. Ditto for the Tenth Doctor Adventures Volume 2. These aren't standard, are specified in the threads and so far have only been done for the two Tenth Doctor sets and the Fourth Doctor starting this year. Stories only available in collected box sets I won't make individual threads for because all the stories are collected in the same release. I know on the Big Finish forum it was individual threads, but release threads as opposed to story threads regarding box sets is tidier. Except that no one has used the individual Fourth Doctor series 7 threads for discussion. We don't need you to start a thread in case someone wants to discuss the individual releases.
If someone wants to start a discussion on an individual release of Fourth Doctor series 7, they are perfectly capable of starting a thread themselves. In fact, I'd prefer it. I really think it would be nice to give someone else an opportunity of starting a release thread, instead of having almost every last one started by you. What you did with the Fourth Doctor series 7 individual threads is the definition of a "placeholder" thread, and is part of the reason why we made a rule about placeholder threads.
I don't have a problem at all with the general main range 2018 thread. A lot of release titles were announced for the coming year and people wanted to discuss them. The amount of discussion in that thread justifies its existence.
Agree 100% Calm down a bit please Omega & give other people a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 19:33:40 GMT
There is not a problem with what's being done and it's certainly not plagiarism. Plagiarism is: "the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own." That's not what's going on here. No one is posting these things in the forum and saying it's their own work. In fact, they're using it to promote someone else's work. They are not personally benefiting from it or getting any monetary gain, so it's not a copyright infringement, either, anymore than it would be when a reviewer puts the producer's image and synopsis of a story on a site to accompany their review of the story. I repeat a link should be sufficient.Click on the link and garner the info, story synopsis ,artwork,and cast list from the BF site itself.There is no need to replicate it on here. I agree. Why bother copying & pasting?
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Post by Ela on Jun 18, 2018 19:56:26 GMT
If you don't like the copying and pasting, just scroll past it. You don't have to read every post on every thread of the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 19:58:49 GMT
If you don't like the copying and pasting, just scroll past it. You don't have to read every post on every thread of the forum. Really? Wow thanks for that great tip!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 20:03:38 GMT
If you don't like the copying and pasting, just scroll past it. You don't have to read every post on every thread of the forum. Really? Wow thanks for that great tip! Really? Wow thanks for the great Sarcasm!
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Post by Ela on Jun 18, 2018 20:04:13 GMT
If you don't like the copying and pasting, just scroll past it. You don't have to read every post on every thread of the forum. Really? Wow thanks for that great tip! You know what? Sarcasm is really not necessary and adds nothing positive to this discussion. Lots of people like having the story details and synopsis right in the thread. It doesn't have to change just cause a few people don't like it. And when you start a release thread, you can omit those details and just include a link, the way you like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 20:08:50 GMT
Really? Wow thanks for that great tip! Really? Wow thanks for the great Sarcasm! What does one expect? The lazy 'don't read the thread' response could be attributed to anyone who dislikes something on the forum & basically renders any critique of what is posted here redundant.
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Post by Ela on Jun 18, 2018 20:17:32 GMT
Really? Wow thanks for the great Sarcasm! What does one expect? The lazy 'don't read the thread' response could be attributed to anyone who dislikes something on the forum & basically renders any critique of what is posted here redundant. Fantastic misinterpretation of what I meant. And a mischaracterization to call it "lazy". I meant, as I'm sure you know, that if you don't like the cut and pasted release info, you can just scroll past it. It's not plagiarism, as pawntake has alleged, nor is it copyright violation, and not everyone dislikes it as you do. So just scroll past it. It's not a violation of our forum rules, so I don't see any reason to prohibit it. And yes, everyone isn't going to like everything on this forum or any forum. And not everyone on the forum is going to read every thread here. I daresay that everyone won't even read or comment on this thread. That's just the way it goes.
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Post by pawntake on Jun 18, 2018 20:44:44 GMT
And that should be sufficient.Click on the link and garner the info, story synopsis ,artwork,and cast list from the BF site itself.There is no need to replicate it on here.
There is not a problem with what's being done and it's certainly not plagiarism. Plagiarism is: "the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own." That's not what's going on here. No one is posting these things in the forum and saying it's their own work. In fact, they're using it to promote someone else's work. They are not personally benefiting from it or getting any monetary gain, so it's not a copyright infringement, either, anymore than it would be when a reviewer puts the producer's image and synopsis of a story on a site to accompany their review of the story. You need to get rid of the post count as well!!A lot of problems occur because of it.Double.triple,and quadruple posting of the same update or news,just because of one-upmanship,trying to beat someone else to the punch,and have more posts than them.Its puerile and pathetic!!
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Post by Ela on Jun 18, 2018 20:49:54 GMT
You need to get rid of the post count as well!!A lot of problems occur because of it.Double.triple,and quadruple posting of the same update or news,just because of one-upmanship,trying to beat someone else to the punch,and have more posts than them.Its puerile and pathectic!! We'd like to get rid of the post count, and it has been discussed among the moderators in the last month or two. As mentioned upthread, there are limitations with doing it using the free forum software that we are currently on. We don't have as many options or as much flexibility as we would if we were on a forum that we paid for.
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Post by pawntake on Jun 18, 2018 20:57:18 GMT
You need to get rid of the post count as well!!A lot of problems occur because of it.Double.triple,and quadruple posting of the same update or news,just because of one-upmanship,trying to beat someone else to the punch,and have more posts than them.Its puerile and pathectic!! We'd like to get rid of the post count, and it has been discussed among the moderators in the last month or two. As mentioned upthread, there are limitations with doing it using the free forum software that we are currently on. We don't have as many options or as much flexibility as we would if we were on a forum that we paid for. Ok! I understand
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