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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 8:14:02 GMT
A curse from Angelique from a bat turned Barnabas.So in the World of Dark Shadows were there any vampires prior to Barnabas?
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Post by omega on Aug 5, 2018 8:18:57 GMT
The book Dreams of the Dark has a vampire who was sired in events independent of Angelique’s machinations. Quentin encounters vampires in Europe. Nicholas Blair turned Angelique into a vampire. I don’t think th creation of vampires was that fateful day in the 1790’s in the Old House.
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Post by bobod on Aug 5, 2018 8:40:59 GMT
The book Dreams of the Dark has a vampire who was sired in events independent of Angelique’s machinations. Quentin encounters vampires in Europe. Nicholas Blair turned Angelique into a vampire. I don’t think th creation of vampires was that fateful day in the 1790’s in the Old House. Were any of them 'prior to Barnabas'?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 8:45:24 GMT
The book Dreams of the Dark has a vampire who was sired in events independent of Angelique’s machinations. Quentin encounters vampires in Europe. Nicholas Blair turned Angelique into a vampire. I don’t think th creation of vampires was that fateful day in the 1790’s in the Old House. Sticking to the TV and the audio stories? In that context have they ever revealed A Vampire created before Barnabas
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Post by omega on Aug 5, 2018 8:52:21 GMT
The book Dreams of the Dark has a vampire who was sired in events independent of Angelique’s machinations. Quentin encounters vampires in Europe. Nicholas Blair turned Angelique into a vampire. I don’t think th creation of vampires was that fateful day in the 1790’s in the Old House. Were any of them 'prior to Barnabas'? We don't visit time periods prior to 1795 a lot. There's the flashback to Judah's trial, Blood and Fire and The Crimson Pearl of the top of my head. The first use of the word vampire is in 410 from 1795, used by Joshua iirc (going by memory here). At least from my viewpoint it would be difficult for the legend of the vampire to spread of Barnabas was the first. Prior to any time travel Barnabas is in the coffin from Joshua sealing him in to Willie waking him. Joshua put out the story of Barnabas going to England and who knows what Angelique would have done. If her annual vigil as shown in 1840 is any indication she'd have just as much reason to keep quiet. During the 1795 storyline Barnabas doesn't sire anyone, and at least one other vampire becomes one in unrelated circumstances. Even when time travel shenanigans occur the new vampires are contained and killed before they can spread the curse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 8:55:35 GMT
But there have always been folk tales of vampires but it appears as if Angelique created the first true one what are the unrelated circumstances
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Post by omega on Aug 5, 2018 9:17:45 GMT
But there have always been folk tales of vampires but it appears as if Angelique created the first true one what are the unrelated circumstances Let me get my copy of Dreams of the Dark out. This is from Angelique as only a spirit, trapped in a purgatory only able to escape by reaching out to another like Barnabas. She basically sends Rathburn to Collinwood, where he acts as Vicki’s love interest. Here’s one of his old memories: The officers kill his wife and son, looting as they go. Rathburn is killed and turned into a vampire. As he reflects back he laments how men like this can call vampires monsters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 9:21:19 GMT
But there have always been folk tales of vampires but it appears as if Angelique created the first true one what are the unrelated circumstances Let me get my copy of Dreams of the Dark out. This is from Angelique as only a spirit, trapped in a purgatory only able to escape by reaching out to another like Barnabas. She basically sends Rathburn to Collinwood, where he acts as Vicki’s love interest. Here’s one of his old memories: The officers kill his wife and son, looting as they go. Rathburn is killed and turned into a vampire. As he reflects back he laments how men like this can call vampires monsters. Is this book considered Canon? I know DS has its parallels and alternative realities
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Post by bobod on Aug 5, 2018 9:23:22 GMT
He could still be the first vampire, without being the source of all others.
Angelique or Nicholas could have turned someone else.
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Post by omega on Aug 5, 2018 9:24:36 GMT
Let me get my copy of Dreams of the Dark out. This is from Angelique as only a spirit, trapped in a purgatory only able to escape by reaching out to another like Barnabas. She basically sends Rathburn to Collinwood, where he acts as Vicki’s love interest. Here’s one of his old memories: The officers kill his wife and son, looting as they go. Rathburn is killed and turned into a vampire. As he reflects back he laments how men like this can call vampires monsters. Is this book considered Canon? I know DS has its parallels and alternative realities The book doesn’t contradict the TV or the audios, and Echoes of Insanity does support the idea of Angelique doing an unorthodox mental reconnaissance triggered by Vicki’s seance enabled time travel. There are a couple of mild continuity ehs with the TV show, but this was before the episodes were available on DVD.
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Post by bobod on Aug 5, 2018 9:25:07 GMT
Let me get my copy of Dreams of the Dark out. This is from Angelique as only a spirit, trapped in a purgatory only able to escape by reaching out to another like Barnabas. She basically sends Rathburn to Collinwood, where he acts as Vicki’s love interest. Here’s one of his old memories: The officers kill his wife and son, looting as they go. Rathburn is killed and turned into a vampire. As he reflects back he laments how men like this can call vampires monsters. Is this book considered Canon? I know DS has its parallels and alternative realities The BF audios take the TV show and Return to Collinwood and themselves into consideration.
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Post by omega on Aug 5, 2018 9:26:29 GMT
He could still be the first vampire, without being the source of all others. Angelique or Nicholas could have turned someone else. There is lots of ambiguity around Angelique’s motives and actions during the time between the flaashback storylines, so anything can be possible.
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Post by bobod on Aug 5, 2018 9:26:32 GMT
Is this book considered Canon? I know DS has its parallels and alternative realities The book doesn’t contradict the TV or the audios, and Echoes of Insanity does support the idea of Angelique doing an unorthodox mental reconnaissance triggered by Vicki’s seance enabled time travel. There are a couple of mild continuity ehs with the TV show, but this was before the episodes were available on DVD. But after they were available on VHS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 9:28:42 GMT
He could still be the first vampire, without being the source of all others. Angelique or Nicholas could have turned someone else. There is lots of ambiguity around Angelique’s motives and actions during the time between the flaashback storylines, so anything can be possible. Thanks guys something for me to ponder 🤔
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Post by omega on Aug 5, 2018 9:29:25 GMT
The book doesn’t contradict the TV or the audios, and Echoes of Insanity does support the idea of Angelique doing an unorthodox mental reconnaissance triggered by Vicki’s seance enabled time travel. There are a couple of mild continuity ehs with the TV show, but this was before the episodes were available on DVD. But after they were available on VHS. The only one that comes to mind is Chris appearing a short while before he first appears on the TV show, it’s not anything that breaks the whole story.
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Post by bobod on Aug 5, 2018 9:32:48 GMT
But after they were available on VHS. The only one that comes to mind is Chris appearing a short while before he first appears on the TV show, it’s not anything that breaks the whole story. When is this?
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Post by omega on Aug 5, 2018 9:36:47 GMT
There is lots of ambiguity around Angelique’s motives and actions during the time between the flaashback storylines, so anything can be possible. Thanks guys something for me to ponder 🤔 Angelique is caught up in a complicated love/hate relationship with Barnabas, which time travel shenanigans don’t help with. While she’s always serving her own interests, whether it helps or hurts Barnabas and the other characters swings around depending on the situation. Just aiding Barnabas is enough to get you in her crosshairs, as Dr Eric Lang was unaware of.
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Post by omega on Aug 5, 2018 9:41:02 GMT
The only one that comes to mind is Chris appearing a short while before he first appears on the TV show, it’s not anything that breaks the whole story. When is this? Vicki and Carolyn are out, at the Whale iirc and see Chris. This creates a snarl because Chris was staying out of town because of his time of the month where he could be a real dog, and didn’t return until after Tom’s death (when Tom is in hospital his cousin Joe Haskell is the only family noted to be in town, however Amy and Chris hadn’t been created yet).
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Post by bobod on Aug 5, 2018 10:48:59 GMT
Vicki and Carolyn are out, at the Whale iirc and see Chris. This creates a snarl because Chris was staying out of town because of his time of the month where he could be a real dog, and didn’t return until after Tom’s death (when Tom is in hospital his cousin Joe Haskell is the only family noted to be in town, however Amy and Chris hadn’t been created yet). Is this snarl in a book?
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Post by omega on Aug 6, 2018 1:02:40 GMT
Vicki and Carolyn are out, at the Whale iirc and see Chris. This creates a snarl because Chris was staying out of town because of his time of the month where he could be a real dog, and didn’t return until after Tom’s death (when Tom is in hospital his cousin Joe Haskell is the only family noted to be in town, however Amy and Chris hadn’t been created yet). Is this snarl in a book? If you're trying to fit the book into the TV continuity.
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