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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 9:14:41 GMT
I'll echo the sentiments that the majority of New Counter-Measures has been quite good, and I was excited for a third set, but I think for me the major thing that makes me prefer "classic" Counter-Measures is that each box had a throughstory in the background, even though episodes were mostly standalone. I think "classic" Counter-Measures executed more or less the perfect story arc, in that I was barely even aware of it in the earlier stories, but it became increasingly compelling as we got into sets 3 & 4 making them, essentially, completely unmissable. I'm still very happy to buy the more stand-alone stories though, and apart from the Intelligence episode I don't think there's been a duff story yet. Just started on series 1 of New CM....and am enjoying the team.The Toby Kinsella was classic spy drama no aliens no ET and has wetted my appetite as to what cause their initial going into hiding but that will be further down the line.
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 28, 2018 9:16:26 GMT
It always felt odd to me that they decided to mimic what had been tried in TV with The Avengers. The 70s Avengers show was a poor relation to the original. The same with The New Counter-Measures. Having said that Counter-Measures has a brilliant cast, I hope they get to work on other projects for BF. they could always have gone for the Likely Lads .... Whatever Happened to Counter Measures?
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Post by OneTen on Aug 28, 2018 9:29:52 GMT
Just started on series 1 of New CM....and am enjoying the team.The Toby Kinsella was classic spy drama no aliens no ET and has wetted my appetite as to what cause their initial going into hiding but that will be further down the line. I think that's indicative of the way Counter-Measures developed - as the production team grew more confident, stories depended less on alien/paranormal stuff and became more about the 60s concerns and political spy thriller stuff. That both made it more distinctive and played to the strengths of its phenomenal regular and guest casts. And until the most recent story it never relied on elements from the 'parent' show either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 9:30:59 GMT
I'll echo the sentiments that the majority of New Counter-Measures has been quite good, and I was excited for a third set, but I think for me the major thing that makes me prefer "classic" Counter-Measures is that each box had a throughstory in the background, even though episodes were mostly standalone. I think "classic" Counter-Measures executed more or less the perfect story arc, in that I was barely even aware of it in the earlier stories, but it became increasingly compelling as we got into sets 3 & 4 making them, essentially, completely unmissable. I'm still very happy to buy the more stand-alone stories though, and apart from the Intelligence episode I don't think there's been a duff story yet. Well the Great Intelligence was poorly used even in the TV series but am keeping an open mind
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 9:33:43 GMT
Just started on series 1 of New CM....and am enjoying the team.The Toby Kinsella was classic spy drama no aliens no ET and has wetted my appetite as to what cause their initial going into hiding but that will be further down the line. I think that's indicative of the way Counter-Measures developed - as the production team grew more confident, stories depended less on alien/paranormal stuff and became more about the 60s concerns and political spy thriller stuff. That both made it more distinctive and played to the strengths of its phenomenal regular and guest casts. And until the most recent story it never relied on elements from the 'parent' show either. Yes it’s been nice that the parent show hasn’t really been referenced yet it isn’t relying on it at all .That is a strength
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 13:09:10 GMT
Listening to NCM. Series 1 if these are the poor scripts am in for a treat at what most class as the better rated.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 28, 2018 13:47:33 GMT
Was it actually recorded or just written for? If it was recorded Big Finish would be silly not to release it. Perhaps along with one final story to wrap up the range and give everyone the chance to celebrate this series. it is always sad when long running series are just left and not wrapped up probably. Not only for the fans, but I would think that from a marketing point of view it would make perfect sense. I believe it was recorded, yes. Do we know that for certain?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 28, 2018 13:53:28 GMT
I believe it was recorded, yes. Do we know that for certain? It was on an actor’s CV
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Post by mark687 on Aug 28, 2018 13:53:39 GMT
I believe it was recorded, yes. Do we know that for certain? An Actress put it on her online CV, now whether it was a story separate from The Intelligence Story Arc, or the original Title of a story from New CM Boxset 2 I'm not sure.
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Post by ljwilson on Aug 28, 2018 16:50:57 GMT
Listening to NCM. Series 1 if these are the poor scripts am in for a treat at what most class as the better rated. Blimey, have you already listened to the 4 boxsets and 'Who killed...'?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 28, 2018 18:13:02 GMT
Listening to NCM. Series 1 if these are the poor scripts am in for a treat at what most class as the better rated. No the first New Counter Measures box set is pretty enjoyable. It is a slightly different thing from the previous series but still fun. I think the people who have problems with NCM have problems with the second set. It is certainly the case for me but as always, your mileage may vary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 20:29:53 GMT
Listening to NCM. Series 1 if these are the poor scripts am in for a treat at what most class as the better rated. Blimey, have you already listened to the 4 boxsets and 'Who killed...'? No i listened to Threshold free then Toby Kinsella and now am on the first Box set of the New Counter Measures will do the first four box sets once i have listened to the New Sets,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 20:33:52 GMT
Listening to NCM. Series 1 if these are the poor scripts am in for a treat at what most class as the better rated. No the first New Counter Measures box set is pretty enjoyable. It is a slightly different thing from the previous series but still fun. I think the people who have problems with NCM have problems with the second set. It is certainly the case for me but as always, your mileage may vary. Yes i skim reviews so as not to influence myself too much...Am a Big fan of John LeCarre and these are just as enjoyable.I guess it is the actors if you have a good actor they can make good on a poor script. I dont have the influence of the first four box sets so its kind of nice to listen to these then compare later with what everyone else says
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 28, 2018 20:42:48 GMT
No the first New Counter Measures box set is pretty enjoyable. It is a slightly different thing from the previous series but still fun. I think the people who have problems with NCM have problems with the second set. It is certainly the case for me but as always, your mileage may vary. Yes i skim reviews so as not to influence myself too much...Am a Big fan of John LeCarre and these are just as enjoyable.I guess it is the actors if you have a good actor they can make good on a poor script. I dont have the influence of the first four box sets so its kind of nice to listen to these then compare later with what everyone else says To be honest, my problems with that second set run a lot deeper than comparing it to what came before. I found the writing of the first episode to be really sloppy and to my mind the set never really recovered.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 20:52:55 GMT
Yes i skim reviews so as not to influence myself too much...Am a Big fan of John LeCarre and these are just as enjoyable.I guess it is the actors if you have a good actor they can make good on a poor script. I dont have the influence of the first four box sets so its kind of nice to listen to these then compare later with what everyone else says To be honest, my problems with that second set run a lot deeper than comparing it to what came before. I found the writing of the first episode to be really sloppy and to my mind the set never really recovered. I tend to enjoy the character interaction and the characters sell it for me
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 28, 2018 20:56:17 GMT
To be honest, my problems with that second set run a lot deeper than comparing it to what came before. I found the writing of the first episode to be really sloppy and to my mind the set never really recovered. I tend to enjoy the character interaction and the characters sell it for me Me as well. Something I preach to writers all the time is give me interesting characters doing & saying interesting things and let the plot work itself out. Which is why that second box set rubbed me wrong. I didn't buy the characters or the relationships. And I found it to be the worst kind of audio writing; writing where everything was explained and described. Still, your mileage may vary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 20:58:28 GMT
I tend to enjoy the character interaction and the characters sell it for me Me as well. Something I preach to writers all the time is give me interesting characters doing & saying interesting things and let the plot work itself out. Which is why that second box set rubbed me wrong. I didn't buy the characters or the relationships. And I found it to be the worst kind of audio writing; writing where everything was explained and described. Still, your mileage may vary. Yes i can see that description being irritating.It has its place Which is in something like BFs Hound of the Baskerville were Watsons narrative really is enjoyable
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 6:21:35 GMT
I really enjoyed Phoenix Strain by Christopher Hatherall but it had potential to grow further than it did.Perhaps a repeat infection could be considered one day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 6:33:57 GMT
A Gamble with Time....well as soon as Carolyn Seymour made her entrance i was hooked. She plays the villainess so very very well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 7:15:30 GMT
got to say Gamble with Time was such an enjoyable tale and Carolyn Seymour was so great in the role of Lady Suzanne Clare and at least she gets a rematch in the next box set i noticed.Looking forward to it. Now i will have a pause in listening while i go catch the bus 😘
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