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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 16:32:55 GMT
Enjoyed Lied In Ruins but it's a lot less rompy than I imagined. The River/Benny dynamic was as fun, catty but smart as it should be and it seems fitting that two archeologists with The Doctor in common are the ones who deal with his pain over finding Gallifrey when it's desolate (or is it?). The "I made myself a robot companion" part was actually a bit touching. Out of context you'd think it's a joke, maybe even a nod to Scream Of The Shalka, but in context it's really quite sad. It's very much latter-rueful McGann here but given the setting that's to be expected. Anyone else get the shivers hearing the Tomb noise from The FiveDocs? Or, the Bagpipe Of Rassilon as I prefer to think of it. I was going to try and space these a bit but if they're standalone and I think spoilers will invariably be abound online I'll try and crack on with them.
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Post by Digi on Jul 17, 2019 16:44:33 GMT
Enjoyed Lied In Ruins but it's a lot less rompy than I imagined. The River/Benny dynamic was as fun, catty but smart as it should be and it seems fitting that two archeologists with The Doctor in common are the ones who deal with his pain over finding Gallifrey when it's desolate (or is it?). The "I made myself a robot companion" part was actually a bit touching. Out of context you'd think it's a joke, maybe even a nod to Scream Of The Shalka, but in context it's really quite sad. It's very much latter-rueful McGann here but given the setting that's to be expected. Anyone else get the shivers hearing the Tomb noise from The FiveDocs? Or, the Bagpipe Of Rassilon as I prefer to think of it. I was going to try and space these a bit but if they're standalone and I think spoilers will invariably be abound online I'll try and crack on with them. I’m trying to tag as I go, but I guess it’s good to be cautious!
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 17, 2019 17:35:38 GMT
As soon as someone gets the physical product- could you post some pictures? Please? I am still debating with myself if I should get the CD set (only have the download version) but I would only get it if it had some more artwork and booklets and a "special" feel to it... the preliminary shots of the the set did not look too exciting so far. Otherwise- downloading this now. Hopefully I get around to some of it later today. My copy has dispatched today, but I won’t actually get to it until next week. I’ll happily take some photos if nobody hasn’t before then, though. These special edition sets have been pretty good, but The Tenth Doctor Adventures Volume 3 got it spot on. It seems a shame to take a step back with this, based on the preliminary shots. EDIT: I just watched the promo video for the release and they show the set at the end. It’s literally a fold out for the eight discs. The front flaps show studio photos and the synopsises and cast list.
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Post by SG. on Jul 17, 2019 17:49:51 GMT
Oh, the second half of Collision Course is wonderful. {Spoiler} Tennant, Bradley and Hines turning up had me grinning from ear to ear.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 18:05:54 GMT
Two stories in and it's all a bit more Doctor-lite than I expected. It's feeling more like a "Worlds Of..." release than, say, Light At The End where The Doctors were front and fore. That's not to say it's a bad thing, it celebrates the ranges BF have created. I do think some expecting more of the Doctors will be a little disappointed if this stays the same for the rest of the set, or even the majority of it. Split Infinitive works fine for what it is but having Ace in a story split between the contemporary London present and the 60s where cause and effect are in flux happened as recently as In Remembrance from Class Vol. 2. Not that very much in this felt derivative of that but the broader strokes reminded me of it within only a few minutes. The CM team were fun as always. I'll be interested to hear from people who don't listen to that range feed back on this story as it's very much in the CM mould, relying very heavily on the team. I did like the villain reveal. {Spoiler} I guess being one of BF's and Dorney's best original villains it's only fitting to have the Rocket Men back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 18:10:29 GMT
Only a few mins in to The Sacrifice Of Jo Grant and I don't care if it's a fluff or not and Jo is just winding Osgood up but...Katy Manning pronouncing paintballing as "paintboiling" is everything. Would be quite a different day out!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 19:02:44 GMT
Sacrafice was really something quite special. Not just a great Jo story but a great Kate one. She's needed more of a background and filling in just a few of the gaps with her lineage, with the message she gets at the end really helps the character of Kate feel more rounded than she's perhaps been. I'm still not sure Jemma's talents as an actress make her the best on audio where she relies on her voice alone, which can be quite unexpressive, but she nails the parts she needs to here. Katy, as always, nails it. If you didn't get the love Jo has for her Doc and Katy for Jon....you'd just know it from listening to her for 60 seconds here.
A nice touch that both our main heroines here get messages from the old man in their past. Jo getting one last meeting with "her" Doctor was lovely. Didn't she meet him in the Companion Chronicles though? Am I misrepresenting that as she acts here like she'd not seen that incarnation in decades. I thought we'd had an older Jo story that ends with her in the lab seeing Pertwee's Doc again. Either way, it doesn't matter as the emotion by that point is the thing. It's been the.....cosiest story so far. It's a lovely tale where every character comes out feeling better than they went in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 19:17:02 GMT
Only a few mins in to The Sacrifice Of Jo Grant and I don't care if it's a fluff or not and Jo is just winding Osgood up but...Katy Manning pronouncing paintballing as "paintboiling" is everything. Would be quite a different day out! Just starting the episode now.😎
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 19:20:14 GMT
Only a few mins in to The Sacrifice Of Jo Grant and I don't care if it's a fluff or not and Jo is just winding Osgood up but...Katy Manning pronouncing paintballing as "paintboiling" is everything. Would be quite a different day out! Yep she is boiling paint
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 19:22:54 GMT
Only a few mins in to The Sacrifice Of Jo Grant and I don't care if it's a fluff or not and Jo is just winding Osgood up but...Katy Manning pronouncing paintballing as "paintboiling" is everything. Would be quite a different day out! Yep and Kate thinks so too😜
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Post by muckypup on Jul 17, 2019 19:25:14 GMT
That’s not the point, you paying almost the same you should get the same only none physical...... Surely even reading that one sentence back shows how that argument doesn't hold up though. You want to pay "almost the same" to get "the same". That "almost" is rather important part of the transaction. If you pay the exact same, you'll get everything. As it stands you get, well, "almost" everything. It is rather derailing what's otherwise a celebratory thread about a big release. lol....yeah its a bit all lover the place as a sentence goes, sorry...... but at least its spelt correct and there are no B's instead of D's my dyslexia must get better the less sense I make.....lol and surely by replying you are further derailing the thread, and me replying is …….oh I will shut up....lol hehehe...…enjoy everyone
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Post by constonks on Jul 17, 2019 19:25:53 GMT
Sacrafice was really something quite special. Not just a great Jo story but a great Kate one. She's needed more of a background and filling in just a few of the gaps with her lineage, with the message she gets at the end really helps the character of Kate feel more rounded than she's perhaps been. I'm still not sure Jemma's talents as an actress make her the best on audio where she relies on her voice alone, which can be quite unexpressive, but she nails the parts she needs to here. Katy, as always, nails it. If you didn't get the love Jo has for her Doc and Katy for Jon....you'd just know it from listening to her for 60 seconds here. A nice touch that both our main heroines here get messages from the old man in their past. Jo getting one last meeting with "her" Doctor was lovely. Didn't she meet him in the Companion Chronicles though? Am I misrepresenting that as she acts here like she'd not seen that incarnation in decades. I thought we'd had an older Jo story that ends with her in the lab seeing Pertwee's Doc again. Either way, it doesn't matter as the emotion by that point is the thing. It's been the.....cosiest story so far. It's a lovely tale where every character comes out feeling better than they went in. You're right - the Companion Chronicle in question is Find and Replace. Although it mildly contradicts that, it also gives the Doctor a potential reason for why he did what he did in that story - spoilers for both this story and F&R: He tries to wipe Jo's memories of her time with him, possibly so she wouldn't travel back in time and die in this story! Spoiler free thought, though, this one was lovely. Old Jo is even more of a delight than her younger self - sassier and more carefree, no need to prove herself to anyone, just having the time of her life. (Perhaps as much from her travels with her Auntie Iris as much as the Doctor!) And ooh that Culshaw sure can play the heck out of the Brig, can't he??
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 17, 2019 20:07:37 GMT
I think lovely is the perfect word to describe The Sacrifice of Jo Grant. The opening scene with Jo and Osgood is heartwarming and builds nicely from their UNIT set together. It’s a brilliant platform for Jo and Kate, with the Third Doctor playing a large part, something that’s missing in the preceding, almost Doctor lite, stories. Kate’s call with the Brigadier is beautifully played by Jemma Redgrave and Jon Culshaw, especially as the latter most probably did this as a pickup. I think that’s a lovely way to end this current era of modern UNIT and the eight sets they’ve released so far. The alternative version of the UNIT theme that plays is great!
Equally touching is the Doctor’s letter to Jo at the end. The affection the pair have for each other is clear, as is Jon & Katy and now Tim & Katy. It wouldn’t be a 20th anniversary release without Nicholas Briggs essentially playing himself. He’s great at monster voices, but every “regular” voice he does sounds exactly like Nick! Older Jo has been really well served by Big Finish so far. Fingers crossed they do more! With regards to the arc: I’m probably miles off, but I’m wondering if Missy is behind it all. The Master TARDIS she acquires at the end of her boxset could be the damaged one in Lie of Ruins. Also the closing music at the end of The Sacrifice of Jo Grant reminded me of a different take of Missy’s TV theme.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 20:15:26 GMT
Episode 6... Oh. My. God. {Spoiler} DAVID TENNANT! YAY!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 20:23:49 GMT
Relative Time was a slight let down for me. The meta-meeting of Doctor and Daughter along with The Nine....it was all fine but I didn't think there was terribly much about the story that'll stick with me for terribly wrong. Like the Jo-story, the most touching part was a phonecall, with Davison telling his own daughter how proud he is. I mean...that's lovely. Storywise it really is just a pretty standard knockabout that could have been written for any Doctor, and quite a few spinoffs besides.
Ronni Ancona and John Hefferman are clearly having fun as the panto villains though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 21:22:25 GMT
Avenues Of Possibility was smashing fun. It reminded me a lot of The Four Doctors in taking a historical figure and using them as part of the adventure but on the periphery, like Farraday. Menzies fit back into things like an old shoe - she really is very adept. There was no messing around, she picked up everything and got on the case. How is that woman not being hunted to work for UNIT or Torchwood? Again, another "of course!" villain return that makes perfect sense but that still didn't occur to me! Maybe a minor quibble but having this and the 7/Ace/CM story both be ones set in two time periods which affect each other is a bit of overkill thematically. I get it hammers home the "fractures" arc but it's two quite similiar concepts in one box. This was a better story, though they're both good. Only the Davison/Jenny one has let me down out of the 5 so far and we're into the final stretch....
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Post by dangerwillrobinson on Jul 17, 2019 21:24:21 GMT
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Post by Alex on Jul 17, 2019 21:53:57 GMT
Are there any essential audios that should be listened to before this?
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Post by Digi on Jul 17, 2019 22:00:06 GMT
Relative TimeThat was fun. A nice little ‘romp on a doomed space ship’ story that, to me, really evoked Voyage of the Damned...except with Jenny and The Nine. I really liked the interplay between Peter and Georgia, it was (of course) very natural, so it worked really well. Nice to see The Nine here too, popping up in a non-McGann story and getting a bit of development on his own. One thing I completely missed was exactly who Thana (sp?) the indestructible woman was? I was driving while listening so I missed a little bit while having to pay attention to traffic.
Must admit that I’m more than a little surprised David Tennant didn’t make an appearance here. Not a letdown exactly, I was just expecting it and then it never materialized.
Nice to see vortisaurs turn up again though! I love little callbacks, and they’re a fun little quirk that seems to pop up now and again in Big Finish stories.
And hey, a little bit more destruction mystery! Is it just me, or did this one seem a bit more directly tied to another story (Sacrifice of Jo Grant) than the previous ones? Anyway, another enjoyable story!
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Post by Digi on Jul 17, 2019 22:25:42 GMT
Are there any essential audios that should be listened to before this? Lies in Ruin — Nah. As long as you know who Benny and River are, and that Eight was worn out by the time of The Night of the Doctor, you’ll be fine. The Split Infinitive — This one’s a little tricky because it’s very Counter-Measures heavy, and if you’re like me and almost completely unfamiliar, you may be a little lost. Imagine you’re a fan of Star Trek TNG and have never seen an episode of DS9, but you go watch DS9 episode 5.21 because someone told you it was a good Worf episode. Sure, you’ll get a story with a character you know, but a lot of the rest is going to leave you a bit cold simply because you/I have no investment in the other characters. It isn’t a bad story by any stretch of the imagination, just...heads up. The Sacrifice of Jo Grant — If you know who the Third Doctor, Jo Grant, Osgood, and Kate Stewart are, you’ll be absolutely fine. Relative Time — If you know who the Fifth Doctor, Jenny, and The Nine (like, The Eleven) are, you’ll be fine. That’s as far as I am right now though
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