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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 22:55:48 GMT
Is it bad that I’ve never actually seen a Bond film? Odd Job will be along shortly!
Seriously if you've never seen a Bond Film watch GoldFinger a great film in it own right and the perfect example of the Bond Template.
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Or any of the Brosnan films/ Casino Royale and Skyfall are good shouts too.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 30, 2018 23:13:30 GMT
Odd Job will be along shortly!
Seriously if you've never seen a Bond Film watch GoldFinger a great film in it own right and the perfect example of the Bond Template.
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Or any of the Brosnan films/ Casino Royale and Skyfall are good shouts too. Yes
Royale (2006) and Skyfall make up my Top 3.
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Post by glutamodo on Aug 31, 2018 1:29:40 GMT
I saw a lot of Bond films in the cinema over the years. I think my favorite of them was Skyfall.
I'm kind of surprised to see On Her Majesty's Secret Service ranking so high. I thought I was alone in really liking that movie.
Maybe it's my pulling for the outsider but I also voted for Living Daylights, I thought Dalton was a great Bond and wished fate had given him more movies in the role.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 2:22:50 GMT
I saw a lot of Bond films in the cinema over the years. I think my favorite of them was Skyfall. I'm kind of surprised to see On Her Majesty's Secret Service ranking so high. I thought I was alone in really liking that movie. Maybe it's my pulling for the outsider but I also voted for Living Daylights, I thought Dalton was a great Bond and wished fate had given him more movies in the role. Daylights is #3 for me, just after GoldenEye. I know a lot of people swing for Licence to Kill's grittier tone and rogue agent, but for me, it's the definitive 80s film with the Cold War front-and-centre in the best possible way. Dalton's 007 and D'Abo's Kara have a great sense of chemistry and I think it's the first time that Bond's been dispatched first and foremost as, well, a political assassin. And the competition he's up against is fantastic, the raid on MI6's safehouse? One of the best parts of the film. As for GoldenEye... *polite cough* Gimme one minute and twenty-one seconds to explain.
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Post by shutupbanks on Aug 31, 2018 9:11:50 GMT
Is it bad that I’ve never actually seen a Bond film? The films are only spin-off media: it'd be far worse if you'd never read any of the books.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 10:58:23 GMT
Is it bad that I’ve never actually seen a Bond film? The films are only spin-off media: it'd be far worse if you'd never read any of the books. *Starts sweating nervously*
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 31, 2018 11:15:13 GMT
Spy Who Loved Me is my favourite just for the sheer joy of the moment when the Union Jack parachute opens. Makes one feel proud to be British!
Also the mini movie form the 2012 Olympics deserves a vote
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Post by number13 on Aug 31, 2018 11:21:52 GMT
For anyone who knows the films but hasn't read any of the novels, 'Goldfinger' is a good one to start with. A top spy novel, a standlone plot and the film was very closely adapted so the plot is similar; also 'OHMSS' for the same reasons. And 'From Russia, With Love' which should be read immediately followed by 'Dr. No'. Part of the reason for my top three Bond films is that the novels are the best ones imo and the adaptations follow the plots closely and do it brilliantly. 'Diamonds are Forever' is also a very good novel and I think much better than the film. 'Live and Let Die' is recognisable if you know the film and a good story although the film diverges (I prefer the novel plot). 'Thunderball' was also given an authentic adaptation but personally I'm not so keen on it as either film or novel. Some of the other novels have little (or nothing) in common with the films beyond the titles and - sometimes - the villain; sometimes the novel is better imo, sometimes the film wins easily.
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Post by glutamodo on Aug 31, 2018 11:58:23 GMT
I have read, the tally of one Fleming book over the years, (long story, but it wasn't anything I sought out, it rather fell in my lap, an unexpected hand-me-down. At that point I was rather aware that the Fleming Canon and the Cinema Franchise were rather divergent universes. Not that I didn't like reading that book.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 12:08:49 GMT
The films are only spin-off media: it'd be far worse if you'd never read any of the books. *Starts sweating nervously* *gestures* Allow me to introduce you to Head of Operations for SMERSH. Sit, Comrade, we will talk pleasantly of your zapiska. For anyone who knows the films but hasn't read any of the novels, 'Goldfinger' is a good one to start with. A top spy novel, a standlone plot and the film was very closely adapted so the plot is similar; also 'OHMSS' for the same reasons. And 'From Russia, With Love' which should be read immediately followed by 'Dr. No'. Part of the reason for my top three Bond films is that the novels are the best ones imo and the adaptations follow the plots closely and do it brilliantly. 'Diamonds are Forever' is also a very good novel and I think much better than the film. 'Live and Let Die' is recognisable if you know the film and a good story although the film diverges (I prefer the novel plot). 'Thunderball' was also given an authentic adaptation but personally I'm not so keen on it as either film or novel. Some of the other novels have little (or nothing) in common with the films beyond the titles and - sometimes - the villain; sometimes the novel is better imo, sometimes the film wins easily.
Another vote for Diamonds as a novel, I'd have loved to have seen it be adapted straight as a film. My favourite's got to be From Russia with Love, though. The first half of the book is dedicated entirely to the activities of Soviet intelligence. It reads like a David Lean film. Never has there been so much lethal potency in the word "displeasure" as uttered by a secret committee. Live and Let Die has a fantastic villain in Mr Big, I always picture James Earl Jones reciting the soliloquies where he's explaining what it means to be an extraordinary man above the moralities of others. Bond admires him, despite his criminality, and it's hard to dispute. Outside of Fleming, Colonel Sun's a terrific find if you can scrounge it up, but I have to make special mention to Christopher Wood's novelisation for The Spy Who Loved Me. He captures Fleming's sweep to a virtual tee. It reminds me a lot of the Dr No novel, an ordinary man caught up in the machinations of an extraordinary world. JB Radio did a reading of it a while ago that can be found on Youtube here.
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Post by glutamodo on Aug 31, 2018 12:24:08 GMT
Is it bad that I’ve never actually seen a Bond film? The films are only spin-off media: it'd be far worse if you'd never read any of the books. Huh! Well fate led me to that, not design. So what does that make me?
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Post by shutupbanks on Aug 31, 2018 13:41:13 GMT
*Starts sweating nervously* *gestures* Allow me to introduce you to Head of Operations for SMERSH. Sit, Comrade, we will talk pleasantly of your zapiska. For anyone who knows the films but hasn't read any of the novels, 'Goldfinger' is a good one to start with. A top spy novel, a standlone plot and the film was very closely adapted so the plot is similar; also 'OHMSS' for the same reasons. And 'From Russia, With Love' which should be read immediately followed by 'Dr. No'. Part of the reason for my top three Bond films is that the novels are the best ones imo and the adaptations follow the plots closely and do it brilliantly. 'Diamonds are Forever' is also a very good novel and I think much better than the film. 'Live and Let Die' is recognisable if you know the film and a good story although the film diverges (I prefer the novel plot). 'Thunderball' was also given an authentic adaptation but personally I'm not so keen on it as either film or novel. Some of the other novels have little (or nothing) in common with the films beyond the titles and - sometimes - the villain; sometimes the novel is better imo, sometimes the film wins easily.
Another vote for Diamonds as a novel, I'd have loved to have seen it be adapted straight as a film. My favourite's got to be From Russia with Love, though. The first half of the book is dedicated entirely to the activities of Soviet intelligence. It reads like a David Lean film. Never has there been so much lethal potency in the word "displeasure" as uttered by a secret committee. Live and Let Die has a fantastic villain in Mr Big, I always picture James Earl Jones reciting the soliloquies where he's explaining what it means to be an extraordinary man above the moralities of others. Bond admires him, despite his criminality, and it's hard to dispute. Outside of Fleming, Colonel Sun's a terrific find if you can scrounge it up, but I have to make special mention to Christopher Wood's novelisation for The Spy Who Loved Me. He captures Fleming's sweep to a virtual tee. It reminds me a lot of the Dr No novel, an ordinary man caught up in the machinations of an extraordinary world. JB Radio did a reading of it a while ago that can be found on Youtube here. I believe that Ian Fleming was a brilliant novelist who was way ahead of his time. For several months last year I was able to say what I liked about the Bond novels in my role as a critic. Unfortunately I only got as far as The Spy Who Loved Me before the site's editor lost interest and stopped updating it. Short story: I think they're a brilliant set of books that deserve a more discerning readership.
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Post by newt5996 on Aug 31, 2018 14:09:17 GMT
Is it bad that I’ve never actually seen a Bond film? The films are only spin-off media: it'd be far worse if you'd never read any of the books. Wellllll….you're not going to like my status on that account.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 16:12:48 GMT
For anyone who knows the films but hasn't read any of the novels, 'Goldfinger' is a good one to start with. A top spy novel, a standlone plot and the film was very closely adapted so the plot is similar; also 'OHMSS' for the same reasons. And 'From Russia, With Love' which should be read immediately followed by 'Dr. No'. Part of the reason for my top three Bond films is that the novels are the best ones imo and the adaptations follow the plots closely and do it brilliantly. 'Diamonds are Forever' is also a very good novel and I think much better than the film. 'Live and Let Die' is recognisable if you know the film and a good story although the film diverges (I prefer the novel plot). 'Thunderball' was also given an authentic adaptation but personally I'm not so keen on it as either film or novel. Some of the other novels have little (or nothing) in common with the films beyond the titles and - sometimes - the villain; sometimes the novel is better imo, sometimes the film wins easily.
I got into reading them for a while in 1996 whilst at a loose end. Casino Royale is perhaps the most memorable of those I read, and the 2006 Casino film kept in a fair amount or key scenes and plot, which is to be expected, having finally got the rights back for the title. It seems a shame as I had all but You Only Live Twice as early 60's editions, but they got thrown out whilst I was away at Uni (just old paperbacks). As I say, I think Casino Royale, being the first, is perhaps the strongest, whilst the film From Russia with Love has always been cited as giving the closest flavour of the books on film.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 19:06:20 GMT
I just found out that Kate Bush was offered to do the song for Moonraker but declined, shaking me to my very core.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 0:43:06 GMT
*gestures* Allow me to introduce you to Head of Operations for SMERSH. Sit, Comrade, we will talk pleasantly of your zapiska. Another vote for Diamonds as a novel, I'd have loved to have seen it be adapted straight as a film. My favourite's got to be From Russia with Love, though. The first half of the book is dedicated entirely to the activities of Soviet intelligence. It reads like a David Lean film. Never has there been so much lethal potency in the word "displeasure" as uttered by a secret committee. Live and Let Die has a fantastic villain in Mr Big, I always picture James Earl Jones reciting the soliloquies where he's explaining what it means to be an extraordinary man above the moralities of others. Bond admires him, despite his criminality, and it's hard to dispute. Outside of Fleming, Colonel Sun's a terrific find if you can scrounge it up, but I have to make special mention to Christopher Wood's novelisation for The Spy Who Loved Me. He captures Fleming's sweep to a virtual tee. It reminds me a lot of the Dr No novel, an ordinary man caught up in the machinations of an extraordinary world. JB Radio did a reading of it a while ago that can be found on Youtube here. I believe that Ian Fleming was a brilliant novelist who was way ahead of his time. For several months last year I was able to say what I liked about the Bond novels in my role as a critic. Unfortunately I only got as far as The Spy Who Loved Me before the site's editor lost interest and stopped updating it. Short story: I think they're a brilliant set of books that deserve a more discerning readership. Oh, and their influence on modern media is just staggering. Moonraker and Thunderball are the two novels I'd put as required reading for a university course on the genre. One pretty much invented the "megalomaniac with a rocket" scenario you'd see time and time again, while the other practically invented the Broken Arrow, theft of a nuclear weapon, for popular culture. Both were really revolutionary concepts at the time and one is still very much thriving in things like Mission Impossible: Fallout today. They're actually in the Canadian public domain on things like Project Gutenberg if anyone wants to look at them.
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Post by newt5996 on Sept 1, 2018 1:40:13 GMT
I believe that Ian Fleming was a brilliant novelist who was way ahead of his time. For several months last year I was able to say what I liked about the Bond novels in my role as a critic. Unfortunately I only got as far as The Spy Who Loved Me before the site's editor lost interest and stopped updating it. Short story: I think they're a brilliant set of books that deserve a more discerning readership. Oh, and their influence on modern media is just staggering. Moonraker and Thunderball are the two novels I'd put as required reading for a university course on the genre. One pretty much invented the "megalomaniac with a rocket" scenario you'd see time and time again, while the other practically invented the Broken Arrow, theft of a nuclear weapon, for popular culture. Both were really revolutionary concepts at the time and one is still very much thriving in things like Mission Impossible: Fallout today. They're actually in the Canadian public domain on things like Project Gutenberg if anyone wants to look at them. So you're saying I should read the books before watching the films? What's the order to read them?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 2:23:13 GMT
Oh, and their influence on modern media is just staggering. Moonraker and Thunderball are the two novels I'd put as required reading for a university course on the genre. One pretty much invented the "megalomaniac with a rocket" scenario you'd see time and time again, while the other practically invented the Broken Arrow, theft of a nuclear weapon, for popular culture. Both were really revolutionary concepts at the time and one is still very much thriving in things like Mission Impossible: Fallout today. They're actually in the Canadian public domain on things like Project Gutenberg if anyone wants to look at them. So you're saying I should read the books before watching the films? What's the order to read them? Good question, I'd say start with the films and work back to the books. Once you get out of the early 1960s, the films -- barring OHMSS -- become their own stories, so you don't have to worry too much about spoilers between mediums. As to where to start, you really can't go wrong with the recommendations on the thread. Have fun with them, they're great movies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 6:53:31 GMT
Oh, and their influence on modern media is just staggering. Moonraker and Thunderball are the two novels I'd put as required reading for a university course on the genre. One pretty much invented the "megalomaniac with a rocket" scenario you'd see time and time again, while the other practically invented the Broken Arrow, theft of a nuclear weapon, for popular culture. Both were really revolutionary concepts at the time and one is still very much thriving in things like Mission Impossible: Fallout today. They're actually in the Canadian public domain on things like Project Gutenberg if anyone wants to look at them. So you're saying I should read the books before watching the films? What's the order to read them? A bond film is a Bond film it’s not some believable piece of literature it’s escapism and should just be enjoyed as such either in its book or film form. Turn on and enjoy.My mother and father do not enjoy Bond they find him an immoral character.The Only Bond my mother ended up liking was Daniel Craig in Spectre as he had at last become a moral fellow falling in love and not shagging around.Lets be honest if he had been a real Character he would be dead by now lol😝So don’t get wound up but for an action packed film I would recommend Casino Royale with Craig great tune great story then slip back to a Sean Connery
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Post by shutupbanks on Sept 1, 2018 7:10:14 GMT
I believe that Ian Fleming was a brilliant novelist who was way ahead of his time. For several months last year I was able to say what I liked about the Bond novels in my role as a critic. Unfortunately I only got as far as The Spy Who Loved Me before the site's editor lost interest and stopped updating it. Short story: I think they're a brilliant set of books that deserve a more discerning readership. Oh, and their influence on modern media is just staggering. Moonraker and Thunderball are the two novels I'd put as required reading for a university course on the genre. One pretty much invented the "megalomaniac with a rocket" scenario you'd see time and time again, while the other practically invented the Broken Arrow, theft of a nuclear weapon, for popular culture. Both were really revolutionary concepts at the time and one is still very much thriving in things like Mission Impossible: Fallout today. They're actually in the Canadian public domain on things like Project Gutenberg if anyone wants to look at them. I know: so many of the plots were considered too far fetched for the day but are commonplace and plausible now. On Her Majesty's Secret Service is pretty much a textbook biological warfare plot. Goldfinger on the other hand: a story about an egotistical and eccentric tycoon with a dodgy haircut and a weird tan who loves golf, women and winning at all costs who tries to bring down the American government with the backing of the Russians... Pffft! How ridiculous is that?
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