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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 9:59:12 GMT
As per Thethirddoctors request and because i find myself to be quite a nice fellow all things considered, here it is.
For me, sadly, its Matt. Hes amazing in series 5 and i quite like the old man in the young mans body of Seven B but man between series 6 and 7A, i really struggled. He just goes too far on the zany wacky silly scale snd i really want to like him as the silly doctor with darker moments i just can’t. It doesnt help how different his performance gets between big bang and the impossible astronaut. We see some silliness in ACC but then in TIA, he’s asking for jammy dodgers and fezs, walking into tardis, getting special straws. Just doesnt work for me, personally.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Sept 1, 2018 10:21:53 GMT
Tennant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 11:01:34 GMT
These 'least' favourite things are tough to answer, but a good challenge. I should say that, as with the 'least favourite classic Doctor' thread, there's no real negativity from me - 'they were all great' is a cliche, but only because it's true. So looking at this - Peter Capaldi is my favourite. Christopher Eccleston, by his own admission, didn't play the humour of his Doctor very well some of the time. David Tennant and Matt Smith played often 'zany' Doctors with a darker edge - I never felt remotely comfortable with Tennant's 'messiah' persona, and other characters' adoration of him. Likewise, I grew irritated by Smith's growing 'eccentricity'. Ultimately though, they are all exceptional actors and I enjoyed watching them.
So least favourite, then ... The Tenth Doctor.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 1, 2018 11:01:36 GMT
Matt Smith (more precisely Karen Gillian/ Matt Smith) He's so unsure of himself, he's looking anywhere for direction and he's not getting it. By contrast Gillian got I direction for "She's a 110% Right 110% of the time".
Awful Team up and yet play Matt Smith against any guest star and he gives a far more confident and in control performance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 11:27:44 GMT
Matt Smith (more precisely Karen Gillian/ Matt Smith) He's so unsure of himself, he's looking anywhere for direction and he's not getting it. By contrast Gillian got I direction for "She's a 110% Right 110% of the time". Awful Team up and yet play Matt Smith against any guest star and he gives a far more confident and in control performance. Regards mark687 Deffo the doctors wife is great for this |
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Post by sherlock on Sept 1, 2018 12:42:38 GMT
Hmmm...
I guess Smith as sometimes the eccentricities were way over-emphasised (cough-The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe-cough), when it was clear he could do much more than that.
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Post by number13 on Sept 1, 2018 13:07:29 GMT
I try not to have 'least favourites' in 'Doctor Who' (though I certainly don't always succeed!) but what would happen if I said 'Jodie'? *looks innocent, polishes halo*
But seriously folks, there were moments when Ten's 'oooh look at me I'm the Oncoming Storm I am' got right up my nose and Tenth/Rose eye-contact-snogging above all. On the other hand, my favourite* pre-Capaldi nu-Who episodes are Tenth Doctor stories. And what's more, Tenth/Rose stories too. So it depends on the writing more than the actors I'd say.
(* 'The Girl in the Fireplace', 'School Reunion', 'Impossible Planet' 2-parter).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 13:27:48 GMT
Difficult one. David Tennant started well but became very smug & annoying towards the end & I was so glad when he left. His regeneration story epitomised this smug self aggrandising of the character. & looking back at his episodes I find his performance quite annoying. Capaldi's run was also poor, nothing to do with his acting but the writing. They really didn't seem to know what his characters persona was, he was as all over the place only becoming excellent in his final series & I could have seen him continue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 14:18:41 GMT
Matt Smith gets my vote in this one... if there was a vote!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 14:24:56 GMT
Ecclestone for no other reason than that he only did one season
I loved Matt Smith
I liked David Tennant(just in case people think I was having a Scottish Favourite)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 14:32:11 GMT
See with tennant he was so close to having a great character arc finish. Waters of Mars is bloody brill and is a perfect set up for what could have been a great climatic episode. When i critique something i like to value it soley on what it is but jesus End of time could have done so much more and it’s NOT FAIR!...sorry got carried away.
Seriously tho, instead of learning anything, ten leans into his ego and in turn leads into the bombastic ego driven speeches of 11. Capaldi does have a couple too but theyre not as self loving as 11s and hopefully after all of 12s soul shearching, jodie will be much more like the bloke in a box that bill spoke about in tuat and not the legend the doctor has become. Which as a story arc is compelling i just wish it had been resolved with tennant and not take 2 more doctors to get back to the staus quo (which arguably was last seen with 8) I just really hope, and from what i have seen it looks that way, for the new season to be the doctor traveling again, visiting historys and planets with her friends/companions which is something i feel has been missing (tho Bill and Nardole was a good step in the right direction. Anyway ill stop rambling now.
Tldr; Tennant could have been amazing but falls at the last hurdle and really drags his doctor down, massively.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 15:33:28 GMT
I don't like Matt Smith in any episode after The Big Bang. He becomes much too reliant on his own tics and only really has 2 modes- 'wacky and zany', or 'frowny'. Frowny Matt Smith was never convincing to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 18:40:46 GMT
See with tennant he was so close to having a great character arc finish. Waters of Mars is bloody brill and is a perfect set up for what could have been a great climatic episode. When i critique something i like to value it soley on what it is but jesus End of time could have done so much more and it’s NOT FAIR!...sorry got carried away. Seriously tho, instead of learning anything, ten leans into his ego and in turn leads into the bombastic ego driven speeches of 11. Capaldi does have a couple too but theyre not as self loving as 11s and hopefully after all of 12s soul shearching, jodie will be much more like the bloke in a box that bill spoke about in tuat and not the legend the doctor has become. Which as a story arc is compelling i just wish it had been resolved with tennant and not take 2 more doctors to get back to the staus quo (which arguably was last seen with 8) I just really hope, and from what i have seen it looks that way, for the new season to be the doctor traveling again, visiting historys and planets with her friends/companions which is something i feel has been missing (tho Bill and Nardole was a good step in the right direction. Anyway ill stop rambling now. Tldr; Tennant could have been amazing but falls at the last hurdle and really drags his doctor down, massively. I do agree WATER OF MARS was perfect set up for something dark and meaningful...alas |
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Post by mbt66 on Sept 1, 2018 20:36:17 GMT
See with tennant he was so close to having a great character arc finish. Waters of Mars is bloody brill and is a perfect set up for what could have been a great climatic episode. When i critique something i like to value it soley on what it is but jesus End of time could have done so much more and it’s NOT FAIR!...sorry got carried away. Seriously tho, instead of learning anything, ten leans into his ego and in turn leads into the bombastic ego driven speeches of 11. Capaldi does have a couple too but theyre not as self loving as 11s and hopefully after all of 12s soul shearching, jodie will be much more like the bloke in a box that bill spoke about in tuat and not the legend the doctor has become. Which as a story arc is compelling i just wish it had been resolved with tennant and not take 2 more doctors to get back to the staus quo (which arguably was last seen with 8) I just really hope, and from what i have seen it looks that way, for the new season to be the doctor traveling again, visiting historys and planets with her friends/companions which is something i feel has been missing (tho Bill and Nardole was a good step in the right direction. Anyway ill stop rambling now. Tldr; Tennant could have been amazing but falls at the last hurdle and really drags his doctor down, massively. I do agree WATER OF MARS was perfect set up for something dark and meaningful...alas It is awhile since I have watched them, but is there room between the two TV specials for Big Finish to work their magic? |
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 1, 2018 20:47:45 GMT
For me it has to be Tennant, too.
Nothing against the man himself, I love him to bits, but it is telling when I enjoyed watching his video diaries on the DVD more than watching the actual show! Plus, 10 and Rose... not my cup of tea at all. I just found this romance hard to believe and more annoying than actually romantic. I think Rose has to be one of my least favorite companions.
And yes, I am aware I might be part of a minority there...
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Post by relativetime on Sept 1, 2018 21:28:29 GMT
I don't really have a least favorite anymore, honestly. I used to be pretty annoyed with the Tenth Doctor, especially as he is in Series 2 and 3, and I've made my stance pretty clear on his last story (I didn't care for it that much), but as the years go on I really can't bring myself to dislike him. Why waste energy disliking things when you can spend it finding things to like?
That being said, I do dislike more stories in Tennant's tenure than I do in Eccleston's, Smith's, and Capaldi's tenures, which I'd say is the closest I can come to disliking a Doctor.
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Post by shutupbanks on Sept 2, 2018 1:10:22 GMT
As with the Classic Doctors there aren't any that I dislike performance-wise. I don't like the smug git we got in parts of Series 2 but I love Tennant's performance overall so that's down to the writing. I'm a bit "meh" on Season 6 but that's down to writing as well. I did enjoy watching Smith grow as a performer over that time, though: I think his Doctor is definitely a different person at the end of his time than he is at the start. Capaldi and Eccleston I have no problems with: they seemed to have a handle on the part that no writing or direction could ruin and that might just come down to them being older and more assured performers at the time of being cast.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 5:39:53 GMT
As with the Classic Doctors there aren't any that I dislike performance-wise. I don't like the smug git we got in parts of Series 2 but I love Tennant's performance overall so that's down to the writing. I'm a bit "meh" on Season 6 but that's down to writing as well. I did enjoy watching Smith grow as a performer over that time, though: I think his Doctor is definitely a different person at the end of his time than he is at the start. Capaldi and Eccleston I have no problems with: they seemed to have a handle on the part that no writing or direction could ruin and that might just come down to them being older and more assured performers at the time of being cast. I really do not mind any of the Doctors/actors what I found was that the Doctor more and more was getting written as some sort of Superhero and not the Time traveller I grew up with.That is down to the writing and the writers.The aim was spectacle not good story telling.If I m honest Girl in the FirePlace and Impossible Planet/Satan Pit are the only two stories written for Tennant that I Love to watch.I would have paid money to see Impossible Planet on the Big Screen. I also find that I prefer the writing of Big Finish much more enjoyable.Even River Song is better written in Big Finish and enjoyable.By the time of Tennants Departure I thought what have they done to the Doctor and the Master and it was purely down to Russel T Davies writing.I think Tennant deserved better scripts and I have listened to Cold Vengeance and Sword of Chevalier more than I have watched the tv show.I had held off listening to BFs version of him and Catherine Tate but when I did I enjoyed it. Smith I have to say I love him in the role he has his ups and downs but his is such a lovely portrayal and one that hooked me from the start.I will definitely buy a Big Finish with him and Karen Gillan.Clara nothing wrong with the actress but plenty wrong with the characters arc. Capaldi also good actor like Colin Baker wanted the role so much I wonder what he thought of the writing.Given the interviews I have seen with Moffat it’s a hard job to write to produce etc etc and seeing sometimes the way Nick Briggs can be maligned sometimes who would want the job,you can’t please everyone.But the core problem is writing not acting. Hinchcliffe box sets show that Doctor Who works when it’s telling good solid tales when it’s not based on character arcs or even the Doctor. Doctor Who also in my opinion works best when the Doctor is NOT in control of his TARDIS when he cannot go anywhere he pleases at anytime. Its time for him to forget how to pilot the TARDIS,and for his companions to wonder if they will ever see their homes or family ever again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 11:16:21 GMT
Tennant's Doc. Far too pleased with himself and often crossed the line from confident to smug.
I don't dislike him though - he's just my least favourite of the modern Docs.
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Post by mrperson on Sept 2, 2018 15:58:56 GMT
I increasingly disliked late Smith's WHACKY! (And for a similar reason, wasn't much of a Missy fan). Tennant had a bit of that too, but not nearly as much.
I could add the romance stuff of early 10, but that wasn't really something you can put on Tennant. It was written that way. (And I couldn't stand it). Ditto the lonely God/superhero stuff, and going all epic when it didn't have to.
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