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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 23, 2018 21:25:13 GMT
I have a couple of friends that I think would love this story, but it's hard to sell the release to someone without giving away big spoilers.
Of course, the release has been out so long, that it's hard to avoid the biggest spoiler now. I guess Big Finish thinks it's no longer a spoiler since it was part of the recent Master sale announced with Missy Volume 1. Was it ever really a spoiler? I figured it was the Master from the moment it was announced. I would have been much more surprised if it had turned out to be a version of The Doctor. Especially in a post 2005, Nu Who revival age.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 21:27:22 GMT
I guess Big Finish thinks it's no longer a spoiler since it was part of the recent Master sale announced with Missy Volume 1. Was it ever really a spoiler? For most of us, no. (I guessed it too.)
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 23, 2018 22:23:10 GMT
I didn’t expect it to be a future Doctor, but I never expected it to be the Master. I didn’t think Big Finish would introduce a new incarnation. I was expecting it to be an alternate timeline Doctor or some other imposter.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Sept 23, 2018 22:26:31 GMT
All this discussion of it got me to download it from the app today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 22:32:41 GMT
I'm not sure why, but I've never listened to UNIT: Dominion. Bit odd really, Klein's one of my favourite characters out of Big Finish, the older Seventh Doctor's always a highlight and I remember Raine leaving quite the impression after her Lost Stories. I have a feeling it must've fallen through the cracks at one point during 2012 (managed to be a pretty busy year from memory). All that said, this thread's gotten me intrigued to visit it. Sounds like a lot of love was put into it and it sounds like fun.
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Post by kinghumble on Sept 24, 2018 4:40:21 GMT
One of the first BF releases I bought, and helped suck me in to the audio-world, which I previously held long-standing doubts about. Never thought I could envision the action clearly enough from dialogue and sound-effects alone. Alex MacQueen's jaw-dropping energy helped pull me towards dropping my prejudice, and then the mental-image of those giant Baby-Head aliens floating over London, bellowing out their obtuse dialogue; the mental image hit me and had me rolling on the floor with laughter.
Never looked back since!
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Post by Timelord007 on Sept 24, 2018 6:27:13 GMT
Epic box set, tense, exciting, action packed & brilliantly performed, this was something very special indeed.
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Post by barnabaslives on Sept 24, 2018 6:45:47 GMT
I thought it was a bit odd that I figured out some major surprises much too easily (also a bit odd when the characters didn't), but still a great storyline, it improved my opinion of Klein somewhat (probably my least favorite companion), and made a fantastic introduction to the Macqueen Master for me - this is what really sold me on the particular incarnation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 13:14:03 GMT
I really, really like UNIT Dominion too! I can remember when this and the first Dark Eyes were released and it felt like an exciting new dawn in the Doctor Who era.
I still can't think of a 4-disc story that has flown by as fast as Dominion. Alex Macqueen's first appearance is a barnstormer and his giddy glee works so well contrasted with Sylvester's slyer, more subdued than usual Doctor. And the visual images conjured (colossal heads floating over cities, the completely white eyeballs of the Mind Leech victims) are unforgettably vivid. A really great box set.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 13:49:33 GMT
I really, really like UNIT Dominion too! I can remember when this and the first Dark Eyes were released and it felt like an exciting new dawn in the Doctor Who era. I still can't think of a 4-disc story that has flown by as fast as Dominion. Alex Macqueen's first appearance is a barnstormer and his giddy glee works so well contrasted with Sylvester's slyer, more subdued than usual Doctor. And the visual images conjured (colossal heads floating over cities, the completely white eyeballs of the Mind Leech victims) are unforgettably vivid. A really great box set. Yes Fantastic storyline with top notch audio soundscaping.It should be better advertised. McQueens master is wonderful here and its nice to have an alien foe/foes we know nothing about
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Post by elkawho on Sept 27, 2018 3:03:48 GMT
Thanks, everyone. I started a re-listen today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 12:27:05 GMT
Thanks, everyone. I started a re-listen today. did you enjoy again?
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Post by fantasticalice on Mar 28, 2019 22:41:51 GMT
I put so much hard work into UNIT: Dominion, alas, it was my last collaboration with Big Finish. Seriously folks, look at his website Portfolio. His Description of his work on Book of Kels is like a vam on a Hollywood dvd. Utterly fascinating. I wish Bf would go behind the scenes on Sound Design like this. I think they have Unique requirements on a lot of recordings for aoundscapes and after Reading about the bloke behind SS recording in an Ancient Abby I really want to know more. And as a side note the offerings for their War of the Worlds Productions are pretty impressive especially if you are a Vam nerd and a huge fan of the Original Story.
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Post by fantasticalice on Mar 28, 2019 23:21:25 GMT
As for Dominion I had read a History of the Master off the often skech Tardis wiki prior to my first listen.
so I had some vague memories out there of the reveal but I would have guessed. It's not quite as cringe inducing as Jacobi in Beneath the Viscoid(Another great Performance) but it becomes clear that this is someone's impression of the Doctor and likely someone who doesnt like him very much.
Big Finish has done future Doctors before though. (no Spoiler please folks!) and there is a very different bend to those stories that leave you with lots of brilliant questions.
When it involves the Master I feel they work incrediby hard on characterisation and want it to believable as the Master p playing the Doctor.pla
Jacobi takes this to the extreme and surprisingly macQueen is a little more downplayed in his Performance. But to me the Beauty lies in the little bits that show this is their idea of the Doctor and also someone who hates him for that.
I feel macqueen is doing a parody of his opinion of Tom baker and perhaps a little Jon because it is a UNIT story.
He is also working with People he Honestly wants to deceive. Which is why I think Beneath the Viscoid is so different. In that, the Master is with a bunch of idiots who he believes will die soon. More than anything he is Making fun of the Doctor for his own Amusement and the more and more they buy it the more fun he has.
I really really wish they could get Macqueen back someday. He is one of !y favourites and there are questions and dimensions to his character that make him suited to unique stories.
For instance I have been kicking around a Holocaust era story that would deconstruct what true evil is and when the Master is even disgusted.
The idea is that he tends to avoid WW2 Germany because whats going on thwre is so repugnant to him he ends up... "being a hero...."
I wanted to have the master using his tce on a entire squad of nazis after seeinf them killing kids for no reason.
"You kill for power! For control, For joy, because someone knows too much. You torture someone because you know them and you have them in your clutches. This is just mimdless and unnecessary"
I would have to really work hard but the idea is that the Master always has a reason and although he does casually kill it is always for a reason. And the Master never really believes he has to kill anyone.
And although that wasnt my initial plan he will probably pretend to be the Doctor so he doesn't look bad.
After getting stuck with a dozen refugees he would shuttle them all into his Tardis and casually drop thwm off on some random colony world.
I think it would be a great way to get to the heart of what the Master is.
Admittedly I think Missy is her own thing. I just like the idea that there are certain types of evil that repulse even the Master.
Also I think Everything we know about the Master and his disdain for anyone other than timelords would find racial purity purges at pointless, ridiculous, and indicatimg that the purgers did not really think themselves superior but were afraid.
I think the Master is one of the most fascinating creations in all of fiction. His capricious nature and his need for control and power and Dominion provide for endless variations on who he is.
I really wish they had Missy volume 2 announced already so I could preorder it.
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Post by project37 on Mar 31, 2019 12:15:00 GMT
I really enjoyed this when it first came out (so the Other Doctor mystery was a genuine and fun surprise). Tried re-listening the other week and held up reasonably well. What I loved (and still love): The sound design. I love "widescreen audio" (stuff like Storm Warning, Dark Eyes: The Great War, Unbound: Masters of War) and the design complemented the global/universal scope and scale of the storytelling really well. Alex McQueen's performance was ridiculously likeable and effortlessly carried the scenes where The Other Doctor helped UNIT manage the increasingly bizarre incursions. His dynamic with Klein was great to hear. Even though the number of incursions could have been trimmed with zero effect on the plot, I actually enjoyed them as a throwback to the longer Pertwee stories where they were padded to meet the season length. Where it fell short for me: Raine is not particularly interesting as a character. The scene where she had to mentally pick a lock just felt forced (I know that's meant to be her "thing", but it just felt tedious in context of the story). Apparently Sgt. Wilson is expecting a baby? He was surprisingly shy about it... Why did Ace (revealed to be on Gallifrey!) get the Doctor involved and then completely disappear from the story? If I remember correctly, this was the beginning of the DW boxset era (I'd pre-ordered this along with Dark Eyes I). One weird thing: I remember Jason Arnopp first announcing this on Twitter. By the time the boxset came out, he was nowhere to be found in any of the promotion (podcasts, Vortex) or the interviews - it was all Nick. Not inferring that anything bad happened; I just would have enjoyed hearing more from him in terms of the writing process - especially since this type of long form DW storytelling was bold new territory for BF at the time.
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