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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 16, 2015 10:30:58 GMT
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Post by jasonward on Nov 16, 2015 12:09:59 GMT
What's the thinking behind the 13 sections? Also I'm guessing from the timeline you don't subscribe to different Cybermen factions idea?
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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 16, 2015 12:40:32 GMT
What's the thinking behind the 13 sections? Also I'm guessing from the timeline you don't subscribe to different Cybermen factions idea? Because of the variations of Cybermen in 'Doctor Who', it's trying to keep them in one place as you can have multiple timelines for every Cybermen variation e.g. the Pete's World Cybermen being separate from the Mondasian Cybermen in our universe. I'm not very familiar to the Cybermen factions idea, but because there are too many origins' stories with Cybermen e.g. David Banks' version and 'Spare Parts' (which I concur with), it's trying to make things straight-forward and clear when compiling this timeline together. This is the same with the Daleks as they have many squads from different sections of Daleks spread out across time and space that it's tricky to compile the Daleks' timeline into one place. Thanks for your comments Jason. Tim.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 16, 2015 13:27:17 GMT
OK, so from that can I take away that the timeline is "only" a chronology, and that I and others can decide what factions may or may not be involved in any particular event/story?
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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 16, 2015 13:36:16 GMT
OK, so from that can I take away that the timeline is "only" a chronology, and that I and others can decide what factions may or may not be involved in any particular event/story? Yes of course. My timeline is a 'generalised' overview of the Cybermen's history and is open to interpretation. If you can suggest ideas on what faction of Cybermen does what in their own timelines that'll be great and perhaps help to make the Cybermen's history more clearer than it currently is at the moment. Thanks. Tim.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 16, 2015 16:00:13 GMT
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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 17, 2015 7:57:25 GMT
Thanks. I'll keep note of this for future reference. Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 23:35:09 GMT
OK, so from that can I take away that the timeline is "only" a chronology, and that I and others can decide what factions may or may not be involved in any particular event/story? Yes of course. My timeline is a 'generalised' overview of the Cybermen's history and is open to interpretation. If you can suggest ideas on what faction of Cybermen does what in their own timelines that'll be great and perhaps help to make the Cybermen's history more clearer than it currently is at the moment. Thanks. Tim. Stunning job on pulling this all together, Billy. As far as I'm aware each faction of Cybermen barring the one from Pete's parallel world exist in the main universe as various subspecies of Cybermen who each adapted and survived in their own way: - The CyberMondasians are those who stayed behind on their homeworld and were annihilated in 1986 with the destruction of Mondas;
- The CyberFaction are a group of CyberMondasians who believed in accelerating their conversion process to the point of complete transposition and left for Planet 14 as Mondas drifted by (in the spirit of Space: 1999);
- The CyberNomads are members of the CyberFaction who left Planet 14 (possibly as scouts), set up breeding colonies like Agora as seen in Killing Ground and ended up being all but wiped out by the time of Revenge of the Cybermen (or so everyone believes);
- The CyberTelosians are another group of CyberFaction descendants who settled on Telos and whose controller was crippled in The Tomb of the Cybermen;
- And the CyberNeomorphs are most likely Nomads who rediscovered the CyberTelosians, merging their technologies and helping to repair their Cyber Controller back to the point of operation. Their faction were for a long time capable of time travel and extrapolating from what we see in both Earthshock and Attack of the Cybermen were using Bates and Stratton's time vessel to crudely travel into the past to cause havoc like what we saw on the freighter. When Cyber-Control was annihilated, they lost their base of operations and became what we later saw in Silver Nemesis.
(A little bit of fan theorising makes me think that the CyberFaction's exodus was prompted by the arrival of the Cyber-Leader dumped by the Sixth Doctor on Mondas in The Reaping and that most of the Big Finish era Cybermen we see are from the same said scion. No clue where the Cybermen from the DWM comic The Flood come from though, they're a complete mystery.)
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Post by Tim Bradley on Nov 25, 2015 7:55:38 GMT
Yes of course. My timeline is a 'generalised' overview of the Cybermen's history and is open to interpretation. If you can suggest ideas on what faction of Cybermen does what in their own timelines that'll be great and perhaps help to make the Cybermen's history more clearer than it currently is at the moment. Thanks. Tim. Stunning job on pulling this all together, Billy. As far as I'm aware each faction of Cybermen barring the one from Pete's parallel world exist in the main universe as various subspecies of Cybermen who each adapted and survived in their own way: - The CyberMondasians are those who stayed behind on their homeworld and were annihilated in 1986 with the destruction of Mondas;
- The CyberFaction are a group of CyberMondasians who believed in accelerating their conversion process to the point of complete transposition and left for Planet 14 as Mondas drifted by (in the spirit of Space 1999);
- The CyberNomads are members of the CyberFaction who left Planet 14 (possibly as scouts), set up breeding colonies like Agora as seen in Killing Ground and ended up being all but wiped out by the time of Revenge of the Cybermen (or so everyone believes);
- The CyberTelosians are another group of CyberFaction descendants who settled on Telos and whose controller was crippled in The Tomb of the Cybermen;
- And the CyberNeomorphs are most likely Nomads who rediscovered the CyberTelosians, merging their technologies and helping to repair their Cyber Controller back to the point of operation. Their faction were for a long time capable of time travel and extrapolating from what we see in both Earthshock and Attack of the Cybermen were using Bates and Stratton's time vessel to crudely travel into the past to cause havoc like what we saw on the freighter. When Cyber-Control was annihilated, they lost their base of operations and became what we later saw in Silver Nemesis.
(A little bit of fan theorising makes me think that the CyberFaction's exodus was prompted by the arrival of the Cyber-Leader dumped by the Sixth Doctor on Mondas in The Reaping and that most of the Big Finish era Cybermen we see are from the same said scion. No clue where the Cybermen from the DWM comic The Flood come from though, they're a complete mystery.)Thanks Wolfie for posting this. It is very informative and you certainly have in-depth knowledge on the Cybermen in this area. I'll look at this again when it comes to revisiting the Cybermen's timeline in-depth. Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 3:47:24 GMT
Stunning job on pulling this all together, Billy. As far as I'm aware each faction of Cybermen barring the one from Pete's parallel world exist in the main universe as various subspecies of Cybermen who each adapted and survived in their own way: - The CyberMondasians are those who stayed behind on their homeworld and were annihilated in 1986 with the destruction of Mondas;
- The CyberFaction are a group of CyberMondasians who believed in accelerating their conversion process to the point of complete transposition and left for Planet 14 as Mondas drifted by (in the spirit of Space 1999);
- The CyberNomads are members of the CyberFaction who left Planet 14 (possibly as scouts), set up breeding colonies like Agora as seen in Killing Ground and ended up being all but wiped out by the time of Revenge of the Cybermen (or so everyone believes);
- The CyberTelosians are another group of CyberFaction descendants who settled on Telos and whose controller was crippled in The Tomb of the Cybermen;
- And the CyberNeomorphs are most likely Nomads who rediscovered the CyberTelosians, merging their technologies and helping to repair their Cyber Controller back to the point of operation. Their faction were for a long time capable of time travel and extrapolating from what we see in both Earthshock and Attack of the Cybermen were using Bates and Stratton's time vessel to crudely travel into the past to cause havoc like what we saw on the freighter. When Cyber-Control was annihilated, they lost their base of operations and became what we later saw in Silver Nemesis.
(A little bit of fan theorising makes me think that the CyberFaction's exodus was prompted by the arrival of the Cyber-Leader dumped by the Sixth Doctor on Mondas in The Reaping and that most of the Big Finish era Cybermen we see are from the same said scion. No clue where the Cybermen from the DWM comic The Flood come from though, they're a complete mystery.)Thanks Wolfie for posting this. It is very informative and you certainly have in-depth knowledge on the Cybermen in this area. I'll look at this again when it comes to revisiting the Cybermen's timeline in-depth. Tim. Always happy to pitch in, Tim. Fun fact and as a side note, David Banks's (rather awesome) image of the next evolution of the Cybermen circa 1992 were lead by what the book describes as a "Cyber Coordinator, suspended in the controlled biomechanical environment of its impenetrable sanctum deep in space." They might be the Cybermen mentioned in Synthespians (possibly boosted by the hyper-evolution on Planet 14, if you count The World Shapers) and who later turn up in Time's Champion lead by Mavik Chen's son. They look something like this:
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Post by Digi on Dec 12, 2015 2:01:22 GMT
A bit confused by some of your organizational choices, so I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning Specifically, I'm thinking of the stories relative to the Orion War. It's made clear in both Sword of Orion and the Cyberman standalone series that the Cyber-Wars have been over for so long that the general (Human) population has forgotten they even existed. The Cyberman series also references back to the 'Sword of Orion project' having been some time before the series. But I see you've placed Cyberman quite early in the timeline, and Sword of Orion quite a while later on. What was the reasoning behind this? (I don't read comics or prose, so I may well have missed something entirely!)
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 16, 2015 11:35:56 GMT
A bit confused by some of your organizational choices, so I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning Specifically, I'm thinking of the stories relative to the Orion War. It's made clear in both Sword of Orion and the Cyberman standalone series that the Cyber-Wars have been over for so long that the general (Human) population has forgotten they even existed. The Cyberman series also references back to the 'Sword of Orion project' having been some time before the series. But I see you've placed Cyberman quite early in the timeline, and Sword of Orion quite a while later on. What was the reasoning behind this? (I don't read comics or prose, so I may well have missed something entirely!) Hi Digi. Apologies for responding so late. I've been pretty busy with my advent calendar on my blog. Yes you're right. 'Sword of Orion' should come before the Cyberman series. I don't know why I placed it later after that series. That's a mystery even to me. I'll re-situate it before 'Cyberman' as you suggest. Thanks for this. Tim.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 21, 2016 16:36:07 GMT
Hello everyone! I've now updated the Cybermen's timeline thread by having it as a page view instead of a PDF view for users to see. Enjoy! Tim.
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Post by Digi on Jun 2, 2016 14:32:30 GMT
New question/thought! Current placement puts 'move to Telos' stories at some point after the BF Cyberman series. However, parts 3 & 4 of Cyberman series 1 indicate that Telos was destroyed 5-10 years prior by an apparently random asteroid or comet strike. I would suggest, then, that those Telos stories need to be shifted back to at least pre-Cyberman. Possibly pre-Sword of Orion as well, depending on how many years we think passed between SoO and Cyberman. Self-defence disclaimer: It's been a few years since I last listened to the Cyberman series and I've just been re-listening the last few days (since my complete series set arrived). So if something happened in series 2 that makes me wrong about the destruction of Telos, then I've completely forgotten and feel free to ignore me for an ignoramus
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jun 3, 2016 6:23:58 GMT
New question/thought! Current placement puts 'move to Telos' stories at some point after the BF Cyberman series. However, parts 3 & 4 of Cyberman series 1 indicate that Telos was destroyed 5-10 years prior by an apparently random asteroid or comet strike. I would suggest, then, that those Telos stories need to be shifted back to at least pre-Cyberman. Possibly pre-Sword of Orion as well, depending on how many years we think passed between SoO and Cyberman. Self-defence disclaimer: It's been a few years since I last listened to the Cyberman series and I've just been re-listening the last few days (since my complete series set arrived). So if something happened in series 2 that makes me wrong about the destruction of Telos, then I've completely forgotten and feel free to ignore me for an ignoramus Hello Digi I've not heard the 'Cyberman' series yet. For now, I've swapped the 'Cybermen' section and 'Move to Telos' section around for the time being, according to your suggestion. Tim.
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 11, 2017 21:21:05 GMT
I've been working on my own Cybermen timeline, which can be found here.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 5, 2017 12:51:51 GMT
(A little bit of fan theorising makes me think that the CyberFaction's exodus was prompted by the arrival of the Cyber-Leader dumped by the Sixth Doctor on Mondas in The Reaping and that most of the Big Finish era Cybermen we see are from the same said scion. No clue where the Cybermen from the DWM comic The Flood come from though, they're a complete mystery.)The Cybermen from the Flood comics, weren't they meant to be from the far future? so they would be way post where we are in the TV series atm?, so maybe a couple of million years before their final energy based fate?
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Post by jasonward on Jul 5, 2017 13:45:14 GMT
Do the Cybermen on board the colony ship in The Doctor Falls constitute a new faction? I'm guessing the colony ship was supposed to the Mondasians escape from their doomed planet and that the reason they closely match BF's spare parts and early TV Cybermen is because the medical science its all based on is the exact same science.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 14:33:18 GMT
(A little bit of fan theorising makes me think that the CyberFaction's exodus was prompted by the arrival of the Cyber-Leader dumped by the Sixth Doctor on Mondas in The Reaping and that most of the Big Finish era Cybermen we see are from the same said scion. No clue where the Cybermen from the DWM comic The Flood come from though, they're a complete mystery.)The Cybermen from the Flood comics, weren't they meant to be from the far future? so they would be way post where we are in the TV series atm?, so maybe a couple of million years before their final energy based fate? Do the Cybermen on board the colony ship in The Doctor Falls constitute a new faction? I'm guessing the colony ship was supposed to the Mondasians escape from their doomed planet and that the reason they closely match BF's spare parts and early TV Cybermen is because the medical science its all based on is the exact same science. To answer both these questions at once, I did a bit of digging through old reference materials I wrote and found that I'd written up two additional subspecies of Cybermen in the wake of developments in the New Series: It's possible that a host from the Legions responded to their early predecessor's distress and merged their technological potential to guide their evolution, turning the primitive Mondasians into their Legionnaire counterparts. Not so much a meeting of mutual potentials like the Telosians and the Nomads, but a straightforward upgrade. I'm inclined to believe nowadays that the CyberNeomorphs that ended up in the eighty-second century ruled over by a Cyber-Emperor are the Hegemony's forebears. Who knows, one of these scattered Neomorph contingents (spatiotemporally stranded by the annihilation of Cyber-Control on Telos) might be responsible for our half of the Legionnaires that eventually turn up in World Enough and Time, not the Nomads as I first thought.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 6, 2017 16:25:32 GMT
I think there's about 12 factions now. This is mixture of Banks' original factions plus my theorising based on stories since.
1. Mondans: Spare Parts The Silver Turk The Good Soldier The Reaping (cameo) The Tenth Planet
2. Colony Ship World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
3. Planet 14 (who later relocate to Lonsis): The Invasion The Isos Network The Blue Tooth Iceberg Human Resources
4. 21st/22nd Century (Possible off-shoot of Planet 14) The Moonbase The Wheel in Space Legend of the Cybermen Junkyard Demon Killing Ground Dreadnought
5. Telosians (Telos based Faction who go on to fight the Cyber-War): The Tomb of the Cybermen Attack of the Cybermen Last of the Cybermen
6. Nomads (Scattered Survivors of the Cyber-War, end of which is seen in Last of the Cybermen): Sword of Orion Kingdom of Silver Cyberman Series 1 (Major Note: This is set in the early 26th Century and by this time Telos has been destroyed by an asteroid strike) Cyberman Series 2 Earthshock Silver Lining The Crystal of Cantus Revenge of the Cybermen
7. Time Travellers (To my knowledge none of these have an exact point of origin): Silver Nemesis The Girl Who Never Was The Reaping
8. Real Time (Might be an alternate timeline): Real Time
9. Parallel Earth: Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel Army of Ghosts/Doomsday Made of Steel The Next Doctor
10. Legionnaires (Merge of remaining Nomads and Parallel Earth, I'm assuming they evolve into The Flood design): Blood of the Cybermen The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang A Good Man Goes To War Closing Time The Eternity Clock Plague of the Cybermen Nightmare in Silver The Time of the Doctor The Flood
11. Cyber-Voord (Voord evolved into Cybermen by a World Shaper on Marinus, I'm assuming the sixth Doctor's being metaphorical when he says Marinus has become Mondas): The World Shapers
12. Missy's Cybermen (Who knows where she got these ones from): Dark Water/Death in Heaven
Any corrections/suggestions please say.
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