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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 9:14:58 GMT
Rosa: 6.39 million overnights. I'm guessing this will be the regular level now.
On the final figures it'll still beat every episode from last series.
It could still lose another million overnight viewers and be in a very healthy state. I hope it doesn't though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 9:16:10 GMT
I'm guessing this will be the regular level now.
On the final figures it'll still beat every episode from last series.
With the twitter buzz it's getting, it could shoot up to maybe 8.5-9 million easily over the next 7 days. Yep, word-of-mouth has been amazing. It might even see a boost in next week's overnights for what looks like a very scary story!
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Post by TimPendragon on Oct 22, 2018 9:21:03 GMT
I'm sure he'll figure into some episode in the future, yeah, but there's no evidence he was a rogue time agent. He could be, but he said he got the vortex manipulator through the prison black market in Stormcage. Other than that, all we really know is he's a mass murderer who thinks history went wrong with desegregation, and had his time displacement gun set to send things to the 79th century. Elsewhere, they're assuming that means he's from the 79th century, but that's not necessarily true. Stormcages and the tech he used all seem consisted with the 49th-52nd century era. But who knows. Lots of unanswered questions, and hopefully we'll find out more.
That's my only quibble with the episode. By having the villain there, instead of just making it a pure historical, they set up a lot that felt like it got no pay off. In that sense, the episode feels unfinished.
I know what you mean. Also, the villain's dispatch was so quick, that too made me think the story may not be over.
I wonder if this is deliberate though? Just as Ryan's dyspraxia failed to magically disappear at the end of episode one, so Rosa didn't pretend that the issues contained in the story had been completely wiped away - or would ever be, perhaps.
Think that's apples and oranges there. Ryan's dyspraxia is a character trait. The villain of the episode is a major plot element, that just got dealt with very superficially. While the stories of TWWFTWE and TGM got wrapped up sufficiently while still introducing elements that feel like they could return in future installments, Rosa sort of doesn't. Now, it's very easy to see that Krasko or whatever his name was isn't meant to be the focus at all, and is in essence a diversion from the real meat of the episode. But still, his presence as it was, felt like it necessitated a more thorough examination, even if he were to be dispatched in exactly the same way. Of course, that could be the whole point, I suppose. Individual racists may come and go, but racism itself is an evil that will always need to be fought.
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Post by stcoop on Oct 22, 2018 9:39:11 GMT
For a series that's never been too concerned with Historical Accuracy, this was (Time Travellers aside) probably the most accurate it's ever been. Well done to all involved.
Sad but not surprising to see the reaction to it from some quarters but the reality is, if you're white in the Western World (doubly so if you're white and a man), even if you're not racist you're automatically getting privileges that other people don't and it won't kill you to acknowlege it.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Oct 22, 2018 9:39:29 GMT
Overnights for this episode - 6.4 million (29.5%)
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Post by thethirddoctor on Oct 22, 2018 9:40:41 GMT
For a series that's never been too concerned with Historical Accuracy, this was (Time Travellers aside) probably the most accurate it's ever been. Well done to all involved. Sad but not surprising to see the reaction to it from some quarters but the reality is, if you're white in the Western World (doubly so if you're white and a man), even if you're not racist you're automatically getting privileges that other people don't and it won't kill you to acknowlege it. I haven't seen this episode, but I have no problem with this material being used as a Quantum Leap, or Timeless episode.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 22, 2018 9:41:25 GMT
With the twitter buzz it's getting, it could shoot up to maybe 8.5-9 million easily over the next 7 days. Yep, word-of-mouth has been amazing. It might even see a boost in next week's overnights for what looks like a very scary story! Not to dwell excessively on the numbers, but I'm now wondering if GM got any sort of last minute boost from people going back after Rosa. Maybe first timers.
Also, the ratings drop is shrinking: from 1.1 down to .8. And with competition from F1 no less.
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Post by bobod on Oct 22, 2018 11:18:21 GMT
Okay, not to turn this into a Twitter compilation thread, but let's get a thought from a BF writer: I think Dr Sweet's other professional credits are probably more relevant here than his BF ones.
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 22, 2018 11:26:17 GMT
I was one of the biggest critics against the changes in this series & Jodie, the companions & Chibnall have won me over, this show feels rejuvenated & bursting with energy again, some fans just hate for hates sake instead of just giving it a go, they might find they enjoy it like i did.
I've enjoyed all three episodes so far, each different but very much Doctor Who.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 11:28:48 GMT
I was one of the biggest critics against the changes in this series & Jodie, the companions & Chibnall have won me over, this show feels rejuvenated & bursting with energy again, some fans just hate for hates sake instead of just giving it a go, they might find they enjoy it like i did. I've enjoyed all three episodes so far, each different but very much Doctor Who. You and me both, my friend.
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 22, 2018 11:33:13 GMT
There are no monsters, no aliens. The sci-fi elements are kept to a minimum. This is as close to a "pure historical" as the revived series has ever gotten, and could easily have fit well in the First Doctor era, something that seems more and more to be Chris Chibnall's intent with each episode that airs. That's interesting to hear as I've somehow been getting the same impression lately, until I've started to wonder if the First Doctor turning up recently wasn't more apropros than I've given it credit for. I'm not quite sure what storytelling wasn't finished for the villain, though. He almost seemed like he'd made himself pretty one-dimensional - mainly a horribly hateful person who happened to get their hands on a vortex manipulator. I figure that even if it happens off screen, The Doctor will likely see to it he gets back where he belongs - at her leisure, hopefully. Almost doesn't seem right to me though if he gets an encore performance when Rosa was the star of the show. :-)
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Post by IndieMacUser on Oct 22, 2018 11:36:19 GMT
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Post by fingersmash on Oct 22, 2018 11:42:17 GMT
Doctor Who at its best. Emotional, beautiful, well acted with a thoughtful and quiet dignity to it all. It was just perfect and I couldn't have asked for a better episode.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 22, 2018 12:33:38 GMT
I really enjoyed this episode. As others have said as close to a Historical as NuWho has ever got.
The only thing that let it down for me was the choice of Pop Song at the end. Wasnt needed, they should have gone for a Gospel song of the period (If one fit of course), Or a pure Orchestral piece.
Also loving that we dont have an american style pre-credits scene anymore. Just straight into the Theme tune. I think that helps with the pacing of the stories
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Post by newt5996 on Oct 22, 2018 12:38:43 GMT
Ohh my God. What a story. It was an interesting choice to focus on Graham during the critical moment, because in effect he was the only member of the crew with agency in that situation, the Doctor was a woman, Yaz and Ryan “coloureds”. If any of the others spoke up, Blake ould have ignored them, but a fellow white man would have been different... Actually it wouldn’t have been different. He would have been seen as a race traitor and probably been in as much trouble.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 22, 2018 13:12:23 GMT
Just talked to one fellow student who absolutely loved it, even the song.
I think that’s the first time in a long while I’ve heard someone in person who isn’t a hardcore fan (I assume, I could be wrong) praise Who so much.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 22, 2018 13:45:34 GMT
Ohh my God. What a story. It was an interesting choice to focus on Graham during the critical moment Even though Ryan got the brunt of it, this also felt like a more Graham-centric episode, especially in assesing his values and nature: he's a good guy, but he's also someone who tries to be all things to all people and please as many as possible. Makes sense, since he's worked as a bus driver, but it also makes him the last man to not only be an adventurer, but also be in a place like 50s Montgomery where you kinda have to take sides and make tough, often devastating, choices. He's a man of creature comforts who's being forced into situations of responsibility that can't be a 'sit down and chat', and that attitude further bars him from being able to really protect Ryan in this place.
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Oct 22, 2018 15:23:44 GMT
Fantastic episode that doesn't shy away or hold back on showing the appalling racism of the era, it sees hard to believe that a person of colour would have to give up there seat for a "white" person it seems hard to imagine that actually happened & portraying signs in hotels "whites only" it beggars belief that we as a human race treated other races so appallingly, Ryan being slapped, racially slurred & threatened to be hung was a shock for a family drama but needed to shock & educate how far we as humans evolved & how far we still need to evolve. Chibnall brought the risk & boldness to this episode & co-wrote with Malorie Blackman a powerful, emotional brilliantly acted episode, high praise for actress Vinette Robinson as Rosa Parks, this season has returned the show to top form & the mature tone feels more serious & dramatic & less pantomime, loved Bradley Walsh subtle performance as Graham in this when witnessing Rosa refusal to give up her seat he's a amazing actor, his facial reactions say far more than words. Only quibble the time agent gone rogue, one assumes he'll be turning up here & there in other episodes as he was dispatched far to easy, i think he'll feature in a couple more episodes building up a potential arc despite Chibnall saying no arcs this year. This gets a 5/5 from me. Well he says he’s got a 5 year plan so maybe the (did we even find out he was a real) time agent and with the Stenza too it’s maybe all set up if he does want to come back to them. Better to have lots of loose threads to finish later that start a story arch with no idea where it’s going
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Oct 22, 2018 15:27:40 GMT
With the twitter buzz it's getting, it could shoot up to maybe 8.5-9 million easily over the next 7 days. Yep, word-of-mouth has been amazing. It might even see a boost in next week's overnights for what looks like a very scary story! It’s also the closest one to Halloween so why not tune in for a scary doctor who
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Oct 22, 2018 15:29:25 GMT
For a series that's never been too concerned with Historical Accuracy, this was (Time Travellers aside) probably the most accurate it's ever been. Well done to all involved. Sad but not surprising to see the reaction to it from some quarters but the reality is, if you're white in the Western World (doubly so if you're white and a man), even if you're not racist you're automatically getting privileges that other people don't and it won't kill you to acknowlege it. As a white man my main criticism was about the villain was kinda boring but then that is the point He was just a massive racist
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