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Post by mark687 on Nov 21, 2018 11:10:40 GMT
The problem is "Witches" in this Ep could be the excuse for torture and murder of free thinking women, which is bad, however will they paint James I as someone who genuinely believes its Faith's Law they should die cause they're evil, or he's using it as cover because he's frightened of free thinking women? Either way no one will will be entirely happy whichever approach they take.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 21, 2018 21:07:32 GMT
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Post by number13 on Nov 22, 2018 0:08:39 GMT
The Doctor, Ryan, Graham and Yaz arrive in 17th century Lancashire and become embroiled in a witch trial, run by the local landowner. As fear stalks the land, the arrival of King James I only serves to intensify the witch hunt. But is there something even more dangerous at work? Can the Doctor and friends keep the people of Bilehurst Cragg safe from all the forces that are massing in the land? *James VI That's right. It took a fanatically religious superstitious imported Scottish king to really oppress poor English herbalists and 'wise women'...
I'm also highly anticipating this episode, and resisting all trailers. They're going to have to do a lot of sanitising on this one including the character of the king, but I'm still hoping for 'Doctor Who' meets 'The Ash Tree', plus aliens no doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 1:17:52 GMT
*James VI That's right. It took a fanatically religious superstitious imported Scottish king to really oppress poor English herbalists, healers and 'wise women'...
I'm also highly anticipating this episode, and resisting all trailers. They're going to have to do a lot of sanitising on this one including the character of the king, but I'm still hoping for 'Doctor Who' meets 'The Ash Tree', plus aliens no doubt.
Only because a paranoid old maid English Queen killed his mother of course I read not long ago that because of the naming convention of monarchs, if a situation like James' name arises again - where he'd have different numbering in Scotland and rUk, then they'd officially adopt the highest number. So if the UK monarch in the future decides to call their kid Dub, (presumably because they love dubstep)... because we've already had a 10th century King of Scotland called Dub, he'd be Dub The Second even though there's never been an English Dub (sounds like I'm talking about foreign cinema here!). We could also have a Constantine the Third, which sounds nice and Roman or rather pleasingly, given the most famous Scots King in literature, a Macbeth II. Sounds like a belated Shakespeare sequel. Yes, I don't think we're going to get the full on "Gunpowder, Treason and Plot" James VI in this. He's a fascinating figure who did so much good and yet absolutely horrendous evils. Certainly one of the most diverse monarchs in history - usually they're reasonably benevolent or total tyrant but James somehow did both. As much as his mother gets all the attention studying history, I think his life was incredibly interesting. There's a new Mary Queen of Scots film out at Christmas, very high profile Hollywood cast in the main roles - Saoirse Ronan is Mary, and Margot Robbie is Elizabeth I. John Knox, the father of Protestantism in Scotland and thus a major threat to Mary, is played by a certain David Tennant. You may not know him, he's a regional actor. Looking forward to this one immensely. It could be Alan Cumming's best work since The High Life (the campest sitcom ever, with Siobhan "The Rani" Redmond as the wonderful Shona Spurtle) or, dare I say it, Take The High Road.
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Post by number13 on Nov 22, 2018 2:23:13 GMT
That's right. It took a fanatically religious superstitious imported Scottish king to really oppress poor English herbalists, healers and 'wise women'... I'm also highly anticipating this episode, and resisting all trailers. They're going to have to do a lot of sanitising on this one including the character of the king, but I'm still hoping for 'Doctor Who' meets 'The Ash Tree', plus aliens no doubt.
Only because a paranoid old maid English Queen killed his mother of course I read not long ago that because of the naming convention of monarchs, if a situation like James' name arises again - where he'd have different numbering in Scotland and rUk, then they'd officially adopt the highest number. So if the UK monarch in the future decides to call their kid Dub, (presumably because they love dubstep)... because we've already had a 10th century King of Scotland called Dub, he'd be Dub The Second even though there's never been an English Dub (sounds like I'm talking about foreign cinema here!). We could also have a Constantine the Third, which sounds nice and Roman or rather pleasingly, given the most famous Scots King in literature, a Macbeth II. Sounds like a belated Shakespeare sequel. Yes, I don't think we're going to get the full on "Gunpowder, Treason and Plot" James VI in this. He's a fascinating figure who did so much good and yet absolutely horrendous evils. Certainly one of the most diverse monarchs in history - usually they're reasonably benevolent or total tyrant but James somehow did both. As much as his mother gets all the attention studying history, I think his life was incredibly interesting. There's a new Mary Queen of Scots film out at Christmas, very high profile Hollywood cast in the main roles - Saoirse Ronan is Mary, and Margot Robbie is Elizabeth I. John Knox, the father of Protestantism in Scotland and thus a major threat to Mary, is played by a certain David Tennant. You may not know him, he's a regional actor. Looking forward to this one immensely. It could be Alan Cumming's best work since The High Life (the campest sitcom ever, with Siobhan "The Rani" Redmond as the wonderful Shona Spurtle) or, dare I say it, Take The High Road. Yes, Elizabeth I was raised in an atmosphere of paranoia about heirs and potential rivals, no doubt about it, and with reason, considering her father. I'll look out for the new 'Mary Queen of Scots' and yes I have definitely heard of David Tennant - from Gallifrey, isn't he?
'The High Life' sounds wonderfully surreal and now I've found it's on Prime, I will certainly take a look! 'Take the High Road' - now there's a visitor from memory lane, it was on after the lunchtime news at one time I think. I loved the theme and the title sequence and then I switched off... not big on 'soaps', not even those set in one of my favourite parts of the world. (If there ever is a Shakespearean 'Macbeth II' discovered under the floorboards of the Globe... I hope it's a fairer depiction of the king than the "Macbeth I" I first encountered at school. Gripping stuff, but probably not a documentary. )
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 22, 2018 7:15:41 GMT
I love this guy's response. Sadly, there are probably some who think that legitimately. *spits out coffee* HA!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 22, 2018 7:20:15 GMT
The problem is "Witches" in this Ep could be the excuse for torture and murder of free thinking women, which is bad, however will they paint James I as someone who genuinely believes its Faith's Law they should die cause they're evil, or he's using it as cover because he's frightened of free thinking women? Either way no one will will be entirely happy whichever approach they take. Regards mark687 I think James will be like whatshisface from Arachnids in the UK combined with thingy with the clipboard in Kablam! ... a man who thinks he’s justified, goes too far but who isn’t entirely wrong. A man who could easily be a villain, but also easily be the hero. He’ll be initially closed minded, possible fearfully so, but will be willing to listen to the Doctor because he’ll be a man who see sense when someone tells it to him.
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Post by stcoop on Nov 22, 2018 10:46:36 GMT
So no one watched this on Amazon Prime last night when they 'accidently' released it?
Probably their revenge for last week's episode.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 22, 2018 10:50:19 GMT
So no one watched this on Amazon Prime last night when they 'accidently' released it? Probably their revenge for last week's episode. Really? LOL
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Post by number13 on Nov 22, 2018 11:41:24 GMT
So no one watched this on Amazon Prime last night when they 'accidently' released it? Probably their revenge for last week's episode.
(Please no spoilers anyone if you did see it!)
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Post by number13 on Nov 22, 2018 12:20:46 GMT
The problem is "Witches" in this Ep could be the excuse for torture and murder of free thinking women, which is bad, however will they paint James I as someone who genuinely believes its Faith's Law they should die cause they're evil, or he's using it as cover because he's frightened of free thinking women? Either way no one will will be entirely happy whichever approach they take. Regards mark687 I think James will be like whatshisface from Arachnids in the UK combined with thingy with the clipboard in Kablam! ... a man who thinks he’s justified, goes too far but who isn’t entirely wrong. A man who could easily be a villain, but also easily be the hero. He’ll be initially closed minded, possible fearfully so, but will be willing to listen to the Doctor because he’ll be a man who see sense when someone tells it to him. James genuinely believed in 'witchcraft', certainly to begin with, and wrote one of the then-definitive works about detecting and combating it. And in Scotland he closely involved himself in the process... After his accession to the English throne (and the time of this story) the English law was made harsher in this area - but James became more disillusioned/rational and urged caution about believing every accusation and even (I think this is correct) personally disproved some accusations. (Maybe that's the aspect of him we will see, with the Doctor's help?)
Presumably being 'right' and 'wrong' about cases was important to him, since his belief in 'witchcraft' was a genuine part of his religion. Complex.
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 22, 2018 15:17:53 GMT
So no one watched this on Amazon Prime last night when they 'accidently' released it? Probably their revenge for last week's episode. I hope not, that would be kind of strange. If that's what Kerblamazon spends their time thinking about is getting revenge on the BBC for a sci-fi episode that was remarkably kind to them, maybe they really do need to start worrying less about buying the moon and worry a little bit more about things that actually matter like their employees?
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Post by newt5996 on Nov 23, 2018 2:16:08 GMT
Saw an image from this episode that suggests Jodie's wearing a nice Troughtonish hat, so that's a thing...
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Post by number13 on Nov 23, 2018 9:30:52 GMT
Saw an image from this episode that suggests Jodie's wearing a nice Troughtonish hat, so that's a thing... She would like a hat like that?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 25, 2018 15:49:38 GMT
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 25, 2018 19:21:18 GMT
Fun episode. A few bits of odd pacing but I enjoyed that.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Nov 25, 2018 19:26:33 GMT
That was a very good episode. They certainly crammed a lot into the run time. King James was surprisingly fun for the dark subject matter.
And that was one hell of an ending. The visuals were so good. The silhouetted stump and tendril against the sky. The eerie green and spooky faces. It reminded me a lot of The Evil Dead. Real classic Halloween type look.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 25, 2018 19:29:12 GMT
Interesting
Good story overall
Bradley's a bit hit and miss and the story extended by the Fact the Doctor is a women so the situation is just harder work to resolve than it should be and yet at the same time the editing seemed choppy.
Alan Cumming is good Very good scenes with Tosin
Mandip gives her usual solid performance
Dialogue sound quality varied for the 1st time this series.
3/5
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Post by The Matt on Nov 25, 2018 19:31:53 GMT
Enjoyable enough but I'm not sure that ending followed any kind of logic but the visuals sure were good.
6/10
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 25, 2018 19:31:54 GMT
Went in expecting Robert Holmes, came out with a very Dennis Spooner piece. This actually reminded me a lot of Reign of Terror and Romans, like a synthesis of Hartnell and Baker historicals: dark subject matter, with those moments, but there's also a sort of fun, bombastic element too it. And the main historical figure really dialing it up.
And also being smitten with a companion, like Romans.
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