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Post by number13 on Nov 28, 2018 1:50:25 GMT
It doesn't - and it does! A charming and fairly long arrival scene was filmed, but cut because of a special effects problem with the (unusual) TARDIS effect.
However, the scene is on the DVD thanks to the Restoration Team. Go to the 'Special Features' menu and select the 'Episode 1 Director's Cut' option, then the cut scene is included when you play. It's not quite the image quality of the rest of the programme, but very nearly, and it's a lovely extra 1 3/4 minutes to spend with the Doctor, Sarah and Harry in the Highlands (of Sussex) - before the Zygons get going! Restored by Babelcolour, yeah. Schrödinger's landing. Interesting that we start with Sarah and Harry looking over the scenery, then have the Doctor rematerialise in the TARDIS dressed for the occasion. Almost with the implication that he's just nipped up the road to have a gander, metaphorically speaking. I'm really glad the DVD team decided to swoop up Stuart Humphryes, he's got a gorgeous eye for detail when it comes to colourising old clips. When I was small, I only ever saw The Mind of Evil and Planet of the Daleks in monochrome so it was a nice surprise to see them restored. Luxury! I only saw ALL of the Pertwee stories in monochrome when I was small, colour TV being beyond our budget at the time. They were very expensive items in the early 70s in the UK.
Except... (as I've mentioned before) I saw the final episode of 'The Daemons' in colour at a friend's house and oh wow , I've never forgotten how incredible that first sight of colour TV was!
EDIT: lol Schrödinger's landing!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 2:07:28 GMT
Restored by Babelcolour, yeah. Schrödinger's landing. Interesting that we start with Sarah and Harry looking over the scenery, then have the Doctor rematerialise in the TARDIS dressed for the occasion. Almost with the implication that he's just nipped up the road to have a gander, metaphorically speaking. I'm really glad the DVD team decided to swoop up Stuart Humphryes, he's got a gorgeous eye for detail when it comes to colourising old clips. When I was small, I only ever saw The Mind of Evil and Planet of the Daleks in monochrome so it was a nice surprise to see them restored. Luxury! I only saw ALL of the Pertwee stories in monochrome when I was small, colour TV being beyond our budget at the time. They were very expensive items in the early 70s in the UK.
Except... (as I've mentioned before) I saw the final episode of 'The Daemons' in colour at a friend's house and oh wow , I've never forgotten how incredible that first sight of colour TV was! EDIT: lol Schrödinger's landing!
You'll be pleased to hear that feeling never dies no matter the technology, I had the same feeling when I saw a Blu-ray of Blade Runner on a high-definition television for the first time. Imagine, the original print for Lawrence of Arabia is considered small nowadays. What a fantastic idea. ( Edit: I decided to watch an episode of The Curse of Peladon in monochrome just for the experience and there's a voice in the back of my head saying: "You should go back and rewatch The Adventures of Sir Lancelot.")
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Post by number13 on Nov 28, 2018 10:57:57 GMT
Luxury! I only saw ALL of the Pertwee stories in monochrome when I was small, colour TV being beyond our budget at the time. They were very expensive items in the early 70s in the UK.
Except... (as I've mentioned before) I saw the final episode of 'The Daemons' in colour at a friend's house and oh wow , I've never forgotten how incredible that first sight of colour TV was! EDIT: lol Schrödinger's landing!
You'll be pleased to hear that feeling never dies no matter the technology, I had the same feeling when I saw a Blu-ray of Blade Runner on a high-definition television for the first time. Imagine, the original print for Lawrence of Arabia is considered small nowadays. What a fantastic idea. ( Edit: I decided to watch an episode of The Curse of Peladon in monochrome just for the experience and there's a voice in the back of my head saying: "You should go back and rewatch The Adventures of Sir Lancelot.") True! I vividly remember the first live outside broadcast I saw in HD - it was an athletics meet somewhere in Europe and I remember the clarity and sharpness and the feeling I was looking through a window into the stadium. It must be something to do with the camera settings they use for live OBs because I still get that feeling watching them, far more than studio HD even live studio HD.
The Adventures of Sir Lancelot? Gadzooks, by my sword, 'tis Sir Ian of Jaffa! Verily, sage Wolfie, though I had long knowest that in truth and they are tales of noble fame, mine eye hast ne'er yet descried them, to my lasting shame. Bear witness nobles all, on this very day do I quest forth unto the wilds of Amazonia and shall not tire until the scrolls (a "Region 2 DVD box set", Merlin doth call it - I think he imbibes much mead!) rest in my hand!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 11:48:33 GMT
You'll be pleased to hear that feeling never dies no matter the technology, I had the same feeling when I saw a Blu-ray of Blade Runner on a high-definition television for the first time. Imagine, the original print for Lawrence of Arabia is considered small nowadays. What a fantastic idea. ( Edit: I decided to watch an episode of The Curse of Peladon in monochrome just for the experience and there's a voice in the back of my head saying: "You should go back and rewatch The Adventures of Sir Lancelot.") True! I vividly remember the first live outside broadcast I saw in HD - it was an athletics meet somewhere in Europe and I remember the clarity and sharpness and the feeling I was looking through a window into the stadium. It must be something to do with the camera settings they use for live OBs because I still get that feeling watching them, far more than studio HD even live studio HD.
The Adventures of Sir Lancelot? Gadzooks, by my sword, 'tis Sir Ian of Jaffa! Verily, sage Wolfie, though I had long knowest that in truth and they are tales of noble fame, mine eye hast ne'er yet descried them, to my lasting shame. Bear witness nobles all, on this very day do I quest forth unto the wilds of Amazonia and shall not tire until the scrolls (a "Region 2 DVD box set", Merlin doth call it - I think he imbibes much mead!) rest in my hand!
'Tis a noble acquisition, sire! For the icon does indeed hold many a joyous exploit heralded by the honoured Sir Ian, known by his deeds in the Holy Land and the Court of the Lionheart. Journeying with him, the noble heart of Arthur -- King of the Britons and ancestor to Radnor, lord sovereign of T-Mat (a kingdom from Parts Unknown) -- and even Merlin himself dabbling in the arcane magicks of astronomy, the wily fox! A worthy addition to the keep's famed treasury. (This is why I love this forum so much, we can get away with wonderful stuff like this. )
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Post by number13 on Nov 28, 2018 12:27:03 GMT
True! I vividly remember the first live outside broadcast I saw in HD - it was an athletics meet somewhere in Europe and I remember the clarity and sharpness and the feeling I was looking through a window into the stadium. It must be something to do with the camera settings they use for live OBs because I still get that feeling watching them, far more than studio HD even live studio HD.
The Adventures of Sir Lancelot? Gadzooks, by my sword, 'tis Sir Ian of Jaffa! Verily, sage Wolfie, though I had long knowest that in truth and they are tales of noble fame, mine eye hast ne'er yet descried them, to my lasting shame. Bear witness nobles all, on this very day do I quest forth unto the wilds of Amazonia and shall not tire until the scrolls (a "Region 2 DVD box set", Merlin doth call it - I think he imbibes much mead!) rest in my hand!
'Tis a noble acquisition, sire! For the icon does indeed hold many a joyous exploit heralded by the honoured Sir Ian, known by his deeds in the Holy Land and the Court of the Lionheart. Journeying with him, the noble heart of Arthur -- King of the Britons and ancestor to Radnor, lord sovereign of T-Mat (a kingdom from Parts Unknown) -- and even Merlin himself dabbling in the arcane magicks of astronomy, the wily fox! A worthy addition to the keep's famed treasury. (This is why I love this forum so much, we can get away with wonderful stuff like this. )lol! It's true, DU people are friendly and understanding and nobody points and says 'look at ye olde nutters'!
Through the Power of Search I did find my quarry and didst fell it with one blow of the Mighty Card of Credit. ('It's just a scratch.') If I have read the runes aright, the fleet messengers of Dispatch shall bear it hence ere December's frosty season is but little spent. And there shall be much viewing in the Great Hall this Yule!
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 28, 2018 14:17:06 GMT
lol! It's true, DU people are friendly and understanding and nobody points and says 'look at ye olde nutters'!
I guess this is because we are all equally mad.
You cannot point a finger without getting directly pointed back. Just look at some of our avatar pictures..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 14:31:44 GMT
Two thoughts on this episode:
1) Absolutely brilliant.
2) I have, if I'm honest, found my attention wandering throughout some episodes previous to this. Not so here. The story is fascinating, the characters are wonderful throughout, Segun's music is perfect (and I don't use that word lightly: the man's a genius) and that acting - well! At last Horns of Nimon's Graham Crowden has competition in Alan Cumming (in fact, Cumming's style is very much that of a younger Crowden. Soldeed is avenged). The atmosphere is electric. It is so far ahead of other episodes, it's untrue.
I think as a series, things were a little patchy in places earlier on, but the last couple of episodes seem to have gained a kind of confidence, zest and consistency. The pacing here never slackens (I found the resolution powerful, and have no problems with it). It even has one of those classic endings where the guest cast look in astonishment as the TARDIS dematerialises. And there are some truly scary moments.
The idea of three companions can be a mixed bag. In promotional photographs, the four-piece TARDIS team can look staged, as if they're lining up for the photo (which of course, they are). But as part of the ongoing drama, they work well. One reason that Clara seemed less than popular on occasion is that the series seemed all about her. With three companions, that's not the case. One week, Graham can be focused upon, the week after Yaz and then Ryan. I think it works well. Everyone gets great lines, especially Jodie, who becomes more Doctor-like than ever in this one.
Genuine jeopardy for the The Doctor. Tension. A certain Tim Burton/Sleepy Hollow vibe! More, much more, from writer Joy Wilkinson and director Sallie Aprahamian please!
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 28, 2018 19:45:31 GMT
Well, I liked it. But not quite 5 stars from me, I am afraid.
I found the semi-comedic camp king a bit off-putting and breaking my immersion. He certainly had "dressed for the occassion". I understand that a little bit of comic relief was necessary to lighten the dark nature of the episode a bit, but it just did not work for me at all and I would have prefered it if it was played straight. Also, his offer to Ryan to become the king's boy toy was just a step too far for me... But looking at everybody else's reactions, I might be a minority there.
Otherwise, the episode looked great, very atmospheric and had some great ideas. I would have loved for the young herbalist/ healer trainee to become a companion- this would be one of my favorite choices for a Doctor's companion, to be honest.
Having the Doctor put on a witch trial also was a great idea, plus that her being female becoming a problem. Plus, Clarke's third law. I LOVE Arthur C. Clarke.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:00:25 GMT
AI of 81 for this episode.
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Post by mrperson on Nov 29, 2018 18:20:15 GMT
Also, his offer to Ryan to become the king's boy toy was just a step too far for me... Well, there is a bit of a debate about that. He certainly seemed to many to prefer the company of young men, but then there was also Anne. It's not the kind of thing one would expect to find hard evidence about given the times.
The portrayal may not have been all that far off the mark, if at all.
And while I cut it out from the reply for some reason, I agree that a lot of the comedy seemed out of place. They kill gran and within a couple minutes the Doctor is quipping about it. (But see Into the Dalek ("if you want to say goodbye, he's the top layer" or something like that re: the first fried soldier))
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 29, 2018 18:31:05 GMT
Also, his offer to Ryan to become the king's boy toy was just a step too far for me... Well, there is a bit of a debate about that. He certainly seemed to many to prefer the company of young men, but then there was also Anne. It's not the kind of thing one would expect to find hard evidence about given the times.
The portrayal may not have been all that far off the mark, if at all.
Well, okay I get that the king was most likely bi-sexual in reality and fancied an exotic male concurbine.
Still, the insinuation and the looks Ryan is getting from everyone after the offer and everybody thinks the same (dirty) thing... And then people complain about "Love and Monsters" and it's oral sex joke- sorry, but somehow this was nearly on the same level, at least for me. Do we really need this type of humour in a family TV show? This is exactly the reason why I have not watched or listened to a single episode of Torchwood, because this type of immature humour is not my cup of tea at all.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 29, 2018 20:32:34 GMT
Well, there is a bit of a debate about that. He certainly seemed to many to prefer the company of young men, but then there was also Anne. It's not the kind of thing one would expect to find hard evidence about given the times.
The portrayal may not have been all that far off the mark, if at all.
Well, okay I get that the king was most likely bi-sexual in reality and fancied an exotic male concurbine.
Still, the insinuation and the looks Ryan is getting from everyone after the offer and everybody thinks the same (dirty) thing... And then people complain about "Love and Monsters" and it's oral sex joke- sorry, but somehow this was nearly on the same level, at least for me. Do we really need this type of humour in a family TV show? This is exactly the reason why I have not watched or listened to a single episode of Torchwood, because this type of immature humour is not my cup of tea at all.
I just take it as English humour - we do alot of those wink wink type gags (we even built a whole film franchise called Carry On off of these jokes) and frankly, it's leagues ahead of L&M as you can just tell kids 'James really likes Ryan' and think of it in just a normal love way. The L&M scene.... ooh boy.
I mentioned Spooner before, since this episode felt like a nod to him: the Nero chase in Romans is not far off from this bit either, and its subtext is arguably even more dodgy. At least James asked.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 21:44:53 GMT
Finally sitting down to watch it cant believe it took me this long to watch ugh
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 29, 2018 23:21:22 GMT
Just re the Love & Monsters discussion - I never understood the insinuation as a kid. A "love life", as far as I was concerned at the age of 8, was just that they kissed a lot. I really don't think it's as inappropriate as a lot of people seem to think, as even an inquisitive child like myself didn't see the need to enquire about what was meant. If you find that sort of thing unnecessary or offensive I understand, but otherwise I think the flap over that line is just a little bit overdone.
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Post by mrperson on Nov 29, 2018 23:30:48 GMT
Well, there is a bit of a debate about that. He certainly seemed to many to prefer the company of young men, but then there was also Anne. It's not the kind of thing one would expect to find hard evidence about given the times.
The portrayal may not have been all that far off the mark, if at all.
Well, okay I get that the king was most likely bi-sexual in reality and fancied an exotic male concurbine.
Still, the insinuation and the looks Ryan is getting from everyone after the offer and everybody thinks the same (dirty) thing... And then people complain about "Love and Monsters" and it's oral sex joke- sorry, but somehow this was nearly on the same level, at least for me. Do we really need this type of humour in a family TV show? This is exactly the reason why I have not watched or listened to a single episode of Torchwood, because this type of immature humour is not my cup of tea at all.
Heh. Well...tastes differ. I thought the bolded was the only good part of the episode, since it was funny.
I'm rather lax on the whole censorship thing. Besides, I knew all the worst words before I was 10 and found out the rest well before I was interested. We were cheering on the deaths in Aliens by that year. I turned out OK.
I might have turned out OK. The jury is still out on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 2:42:52 GMT
Just re the Love & Monsters discussion - I never understood the insinuation as a kid. A "love life", as far as I was concerned at the age of 8, was just that they kissed a lot. I really don't think it's as inappropriate as a lot of people seem to think, as even an inquisitive child like myself didn't see the need to enquire about what was meant. If you find that sort of thing unnecessary or offensive I understand, but otherwise I think the flap over that line is just a little bit overdone. I had a similar thing with the "concubine...? prostitute...?" line from Jade in The End of the World, it all went riiiight over my head. The episode before that had me mishear one particular line as "resting plants", which I thought were like capsule hotels where the rooms were padded with cheap plastic. It's incredible what the brain will come up with to paper over the non-understanding. The Amazing World of Gumball is a show packed with stuff like that for families. Kids can laugh at some straightforward slapstick, while parents laugh at financial graphs singing about economic collapse while bursting into flames.
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 30, 2018 8:12:15 GMT
Well, as an answer to all of you who had a less "sheltered" upbringing than me Yes, I can see that jokes like these might go right over the head of most kids and I am just seeing it to narrowly. And I also can see that many people like this type of humour (I have heard that even Torchwood has a few fans... ). It is just not my cup of tea, that's all.
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 30, 2018 9:27:02 GMT
Just re the Love & Monsters discussion - I never understood the insinuation as a kid. A "love life", as far as I was concerned at the age of 8, was just that they kissed a lot. I really don't think it's as inappropriate as a lot of people seem to think, as even an inquisitive child like myself didn't see the need to enquire about what was meant. If you find that sort of thing unnecessary or offensive I understand, but otherwise I think the flap over that line is just a little bit overdone. I had a similar thing with the "concubine...? prostitute...?" line from Jade in The End of the World, it all went riiiight over my head. The episode before that had me mishear one particular line as "resting plants", which I thought were like capsule hotels where the rooms were padded with cheap plastic. It's incredible what the brain will come up with to paper over the non-understanding. The Amazing World of Gumball is a show packed with stuff like that for families. Kids can laugh at some straightforward slapstick, while parents laugh at financial graphs singing about economic collapse while bursting into flames. Snap! 100%! Missed concubine/prostitute, and also thought "resting plants"! I think I lacked a little imagination there, as I couldn't for the life of me come up with an explanation for what it meant, and because my parents heard the words properly they didn't have a clue what I was talking about whenever I asked them for a definition
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 10:01:35 GMT
Well, as an answer to all of you who had a less "sheltered" upbringing than me Yes, I can see that jokes like these might go right over the head of most kids and I am just seeing it to narrowly. And I also can see that many people like this type of humour (I have heard that even Torchwood has a few fans... ). It is just not my cup of tea, that's all. Yeah, fair. My sense of humour's a little bit eccentric, truth be told. I think Frasier's one of the funniest things on television, I'm a sucker for some really nice wordplay and it delivers in spades. I had a similar thing with the "concubine...? prostitute...?" line from Jade in The End of the World, it all went riiiight over my head. The episode before that had me mishear one particular line as "resting plants", which I thought were like capsule hotels where the rooms were padded with cheap plastic. It's incredible what the brain will come up with to paper over the non-understanding. The Amazing World of Gumball is a show packed with stuff like that for families. Kids can laugh at some straightforward slapstick, while parents laugh at financial graphs singing about economic collapse while bursting into flames. Snap! 100%! Missed concubine/prostitute, and also thought "resting plants"! I think I lacked a little imagination there, as I couldn't for the life of me come up with an explanation for what it meant, and because my parents heard the words properly they didn't have a clue what I was talking about whenever I asked them for a definition Same! I started to recognise a particular look my parents would give one another more and more as I was growing up. The "Now, do we tell our child the truth... or do we try to bluff him?" look.
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2018 10:57:57 GMT
Things I never needed to know but do because of DU... L&M really??! I turned that heap of rubbish off before the end of my first, last and definitely only ever viewing so that's the first I've heard of that! Nucleus is right about 'saucy' British humour, the Carry On films are well worth exploring and although the later films became (imo) often just crude and unfunny there are some real treasures in that run because at their best they did far more than just 'nudge-nudge' jokes and they did those so well too! Carry On... Screaming / Cleo / Cowboy / Don't Lose Your Head / Up the Kyber are my top five, all 'historical' costume drama parodies, very funny, very clever too and eternally quotable. (And Jon Pertwee is (briefly) in three of them!) And on radio from the 1960s, 'Round the Horne' could be wonderfully cheeky, although many of the jokes now work only if you know a fair amount about the Swinging Sixties, because it was very topical in poking fun at the Britain of the time. I thought the James/Ryan mini-subplot was rather fun and a very traditional idea in DW terms (though played more for humour, which was down to the portrayal of James.) Back when I first watched my Doctor and Jo on their travels (ahhh, lovely Jo! ) it seemed that she'd get at least a nod of romance on every other world they visited and Mike Yates pining quietly back at UNIT HQ too!, before she and Prof. Jones found true love and went up the Amazon together.
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