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Post by slithe on Dec 9, 2018 12:02:30 GMT
Man I just don't know. I liked all the Umbrella Man & Klein stuff but everything else just left me cold. Which is weird because usually I love anything Steve Lyons writes. I really don't see the purpose of this loose trilogy. I think the issue is that Steve Lyons ended up being hemmed in with this. Klein has to fit into the narrative that BF have created (so she isn't the character Lyons wrote in 2001's Colditz) and he also has to include the UNIT stuff and Hopkins (with his backstory). I would guess its a bit more of 'X by a story from Steve Lyons', which is why it doesn't usually fit. Personally, Lyons should have had another release to do what he wanted with Klein and write his own story. He could then ignore the UNIT and Hopkins element and leave those to someone else. Hopkins' arc doesn't really go anywhere. Hour of the Cybermen should've been the last story and ended with Hopkins' death/conversion (or left unclear). A middle piece could have focused on the death of his wife/family and descent into being a darker character. I would have pitched this against McCoy (the darker element suits his Doctor) and then had the Baker story at the end. The Doctor would know the full story already (even if it does spoil Hopkins being the traitor) and it would be a better resolution. If written well, McCoy's releases can be great. If not, they are pretty awful/dull. This fits in the middle - not great, not awful. McCoy's quip about 'Crystal Tears' is always amusing. The lonely Seventh could also have been played better here....
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 10, 2018 0:02:35 GMT
Richard Gibson sounds very like Geoffrey Beevers
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Post by nottenst on Dec 12, 2018 16:02:37 GMT
Listened to this earlier this week. I thought it was a solid story and a nice wrap-up of the Hopkins trilogy. While several people say Hopkins' arc doesn't go anywhere, I saw him go in an unexpected direction. He was given the chance to redeem himself and it appeared at one point that he was doing just that when he didn't press the button. Instead he backslid into the evil demonstrated in the previous story and reinforced that.
I think what the Doctor saw as his failure with Hopkins inspired him to try to teach Gregory Lord more of the truth about UNIT, but only ended up getting him killed. So, a double-failure on his part there with these pseudo-companions. His only success here was with Klein, who ended up pulling The Doctor back from making a colossal mistake.
When listening to it I was convinced that The Doctor was going to be part of the original events at Warlock's Cross with the ship. I had thought he and Gregory Lord were going to go back to that time first before returning to Warlock's Cross in the present. Instead they had the almost interaction with the past later in the story.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Dec 28, 2018 9:35:14 GMT
My take on Warlock's Cross is up at CultBox (yes, I know the number is wrong) - a suprisingly melancholy ending to this missing years UNIT trilogy.
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Post by eric009 on Jan 19, 2019 21:53:03 GMT
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Post by Hieronymus on Jan 20, 2019 2:16:56 GMT
I haven't made it to this one yet--still catching up on the end of the Main Range for 2018.
But the huge list of voting options seems like overkill for a single story. Too many options means that trends or patterns will be less likely to show up, with data scattershot everywhere.
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Post by eric009 on Jan 20, 2019 2:54:39 GMT
my bad I put a meaning on the next one I do
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Post by bobod on Jan 23, 2019 17:55:27 GMT
my bad I put a meaning on the next one I do is this the first thread for this one?
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Post by eric009 on Jan 23, 2019 18:28:15 GMT
my bad I put a meaning on the next one I do is this the first thread for this one?
no:)
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Post by Ela on May 6, 2019 22:26:40 GMT
The story was good, but I didn't remember the backstory well enough to get all that I could have out of this story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 11:46:38 GMT
Richard Gibson sounds very like Geoffrey Beevers His voice reminded me of David Troughton.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 9:21:29 GMT
This was one full of expectations the end of the Daniel Trilogy and the return of Klein(without Will Arrowsmith) I think on the original listen it just didn’t deliver what the hype suggested the Fall Of Unit etc etc etc . I wonder what the brief was and what the writer was allowed and not allowed to do.Klein is suCh an wonderful character she does deserve good scripts when being used and Daniel also deserved more.But I will see what I think now that it’s a few years since I listened
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 11:47:17 GMT
Well that was actually very enjoyable new listen..a few times Daniel `Hopkins almost sounded like Chris Eccleston. it is a very melancholic ending amidst the drama of almost destroying the ship the Doctors evasion of Kleins questioning at the end so very 7 and the debate of mercy killing the ship...and its parts placed in the dark archive no doubt. Daniels ending is actually very fitting he deserves to be locked away no big dramatic end...but not as a cold emotionless being but one very much with all his emotions intact having to convince people that I’ve doesn’t care.
there is a lot of scope both for Daniel and for Klein.
well am glad I relistened to that very much enjoyed this time around
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Post by slithe on Jan 2, 2021 12:01:51 GMT
Wasn't that struck with this, which was a shame as I usually like Lyons' writing.
Hopkins, in my opinion, should have been written out at the end of Hour of the Cybermen (I expect BF kept the character alive 'just in case' Harrington wanted to return). I also think this would have been better coming before 'Hour' - then there really would have been a mystery - 'why' did the Hopkins in Heliax end up a prisoner/traitor?
Klein is nice to see back. I still think her first trilogy with McCoy is some of the best stories for that incarnation. With Hopkins and the mystery, the story just seems to be 'too' much and could have done with some editing. There's the thread there that Klein begins to realise her manipulation by the Doctor, but it's not really developed in any real way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 12:21:26 GMT
Wasn't that struck with this, which was a shame as I usually like Lyons' writing. Hopkins, in my opinion, should have been written out at the end of Hour of the Cybermen (I expect BF kept the character alive 'just in case' Harrington wanted to return). I also think this would have been better coming before 'Hour' - then there really would have been a mystery - 'why' did the Hopkins in Heliax end up a prisoner/traitor? Klein is nice to see back. I still think her first trilogy with McCoy is some of the best stories for that incarnation. With Hopkins and the mystery, the story just seems to be 'too' much and could have done with some editing. There's the thread there that Klein begins to realise her manipulation by the Doctor, but it's not really developed in any real way. Well the ending definitely leaves Hopkins alive and well and holding a grudge and there is the little exchange between him and the Colonel as to motive at the end which was kind of a little intriguing.As For Klein alway welcome a return for her am actually all for a return of Will Arrowsmith a companion of hers that could make a return in a different capacity...The Doctor and Klein are very vague on him...and his fate
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