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Post by fitzoliverj on Dec 2, 2018 19:45:23 GMT
If you've ever wondered what a TV version of the Virgin NA novels or preNuWho Big Finish would look like, this is actually a fairly good approximation,
Hell, I can narrow it down to *which* New Adventure - it's "Christmas on a Rational Planet", except that the Carnival Queen isn't so much of a baddie and has been mashed-up with Omega for good measure (well, everybody always wanted him back).
Another solid episode, overall, although I wish they'd resisted the obvious return of Grace, and the Kevin Eldon Zone ended coming across as padding, a bit. But, once again, an episode where everybody gets something to do. Even a talking frog.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 2, 2018 19:45:34 GMT
That took a very, very weird turn.
I really enjoyed it. There were twists upon twists and yet it all goes down to one man wanting so much to escape his grief he ended up escaping the universe itself. Personal story, on a cosmic scale. Who in a nutshell.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 20:03:23 GMT
Wow. 11/10. Just simply amazing. Great ideas. Beautifully directed. Fantastic score. Brilliant performances. & a talking frog! More please from Ed Hime.
These past couple episodes have really shown the true potential of this new era of Who. They have given Jodie the great scripts she needs to really excel as the Dr.
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Post by Tony Jones on Dec 2, 2018 20:07:17 GMT
Poll added
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Post by Bazoolium on Dec 2, 2018 20:23:12 GMT
That was wonderfully mad. The misleading trailers were a good move, as that sort of story had been done many times before.
The way it slowly switched from creepy horror to weird concept sci-fi was not was I expected. The transition was very well handled.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 2, 2018 20:30:21 GMT
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Post by pazzer on Dec 2, 2018 21:13:34 GMT
Having the Tardis there helped as could infer the'd just arrived. But opening still didn't really work for me. Story quickly got going and it was amazing. Once again the Tardis team worked well together. I loved all the fairy tale elements. Would have liked a few more seconds so could read what the Doctor had written. The ending was fine though I expected a Doctor clone or something to remain. Still best episode of the series.
8/10
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Post by mark687 on Dec 2, 2018 21:25:07 GMT
Having the Tardis there helped as could infer the'd just arrived. But opening still didn't really work for me. Story quickly got going and it was amazing. Once again the Tardis team worked well together. I loved all the fairy tale elements. Would have liked a few more seconds so could read what the Doctor had written. The ending was fine though I expected a Doctor clone or something to remain. Still best episode of the series. 8/10 Doctor's Message
Assume her Dad is Dead Keep Her Safe Find out who else can take care of her.
Regards
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Post by Bazoolium on Dec 2, 2018 21:26:07 GMT
Having very few additional cast members meant that the TARDIS team could really shine. Although as usual Ryan and Graham were given the most interesting stuff to do. Which is weird as the Doctor seems to like Yaz best.
Whist I liked the episode, I am getting a bit sick of all the misunderstood villains in this series.
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Post by doctorkernow on Dec 2, 2018 21:31:06 GMT
Hello again.
Umm... Yes well. That was odd. Very odd. I'm not sure about it at all. Creepy. Intruiging puzzle box. Nasty Ribbon creature. Brutal flesh-eating moths. Parental neglect. Warrior's Gate mirror portals. Solitract consciousness. Loved ones returned. Doctor alone in white void meets a talking frog...
I'll see you all next week. My head hurts. Take care.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 21:40:59 GMT
Only Doctor Who could start us off with their version of a Nordic thriller and a monster in the woods then suddenly take a sharp left into a dimension populated by flesh eating killer moths and a knife wielding alien named Ribbons before taking yet another turn to reveal the whole thing was a lonely sentient universe giving a lonely grieving widower with some highly questionable parenting skills his wife back just to keep him around..and then there was the talking frog.
The whole thing was totally mad and shouldn't have worked at all.
Long story short? I absolutely adored this one đ. Up there with 'Rosa' and 'Demons of the Punjab' for favourite episode of the series.
Kudos to everyone involved in the production, especially Ellie Wallwork as Hanne, who absolutely nailed the Norwegian accent in a lovely natural performance, so much so that I had to look her up on the Internet just to double check her nationality.
Now, on a more serious note.. who do we need to nag at Big Finish to commission a four part Boxset of 'The Seven Grannies of the Doctor (Granny 2 possibly being a Zygon)?' đ
Edit : Or better yet.. a four part Boxset on the Woolly Rebellion of 2211? đ
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Post by shallacatop on Dec 2, 2018 22:11:07 GMT
I was absolutely gripped and understanding of Grahamâs agonising decision tonight. I lost my mum at the beginning of this year and Iâd do absolutely anything to see her again. Graham meeting Grace again and struggling to believe itâs not real is truly heart wrenching.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 2, 2018 22:26:19 GMT
Hard to argue with that although I would add having Ryan refer to Graham as Grandad was a beautiful moment that was totally earned and in return earned some watery eyes from me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 23:08:14 GMT
Well I liked it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 23:10:13 GMT
The second ep in a row where I really don't think it's an ep that will gain anything by analysing and dissecting it - it was just bonkers, wonderful, magical Doctor Who, doing what no other show can. Was it perfect? I dunno - but it was perfectly itself...so five stars. Easily.
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Post by melkur on Dec 2, 2018 23:49:12 GMT
'Only' five hours behind broadcast [and on my Mac, as Strictly is apparently more important a watch].
You know, Dutch & Norwegian dramas are really warming on me...
EDIT - Of course Graham takes a sandwich with him wherever they go... <3
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 3, 2018 0:30:21 GMT
Now then, fuller thoughts: on top of the Wilderness-affect, like Flatline, this feels like a Moffat script that he never wrote. Specifically, early Smith and RTD era, when Moffat hit that sweet spot between the odd and eerie, and the genuinely touching and universal. Hime seamlessly goes from Scandi-noir, to dakr fairytale, to big ideas sci-fi to human drama to using the cosmic to magnify the everyday need for companionship. And even with the heavy themes and emotions, he still finds time to write in some really solid levity (the sandwich scene, the slayer shirt, the frog).
Childs knocks it out once again with direction, he's easily S11's best director; Akinola's music is understated and haunting, and its pacing is the right kind of slow-burn.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 3, 2018 0:32:16 GMT
Also, while Jodie, Mandip and Toisin were great here (nice to also see a more wounded and blunt Ryan after the goofier side in recent stories), Bradley really came up to bat. Like in Arachnids, he sells the hell out of Graham's intense pain and yet it never reads as melodramatic or overdone. When he first sees Grace again... wow. This, combined with Hime's writing, allow the character to walk that line between sympathetic and yet selfish, a cosy man thrust into hard situations where the right answer is not the easy one.
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Thereâs a horror movie called Alien? Thatâs really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 3, 2018 0:43:31 GMT
"You don't want those to be your last words."
Orson Scott Card once described audience investment as a "two-porcupine problem": you might be able to convince someone to swallow one porcupine but you can very rarely make them swallow two. A universe manifesting itself as a frog was a porcupine too far for me. Aside from that I loved it. It was eminently quotable, everyone had something to do, there were some nice worldbuilding touches (Erik's Slayer t-shirt was genius), and the return of Grace was superb: again, Graham is a real person surrounded by people playing characters. Playing them brilliantly but there's a fantastic natural edge to Mr Walsh's performance that makes him stand out.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 3, 2018 0:54:20 GMT
Oh and besides the Graham always packing a lunch because he gets cranky when he is hungry gag, I also loved the nod to the 3rd Doctor and reversing the polarity.
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