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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 15:40:16 GMT
Apparently however it highlights how bad the general PR situation is at the moment that this had/has such traction.
Also remember the RT relies on BBC Co-operation
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Rumours can get traction all they want...it won't change facts. He's either going or staying. Anyone saying he's 100% gone based on rumours,...totally beyond the BBC's control. If they acknowledge it with a "Don't panic" press release then they're setting precedence. I'd take every passing hour as confirmation it's not true, personally.
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Post by timegirl on Aug 8, 2019 17:11:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 17:30:38 GMT
Apparently however it highlights how bad the general PR situation is at the moment that this had/has such traction.
Also remember the RT relies on BBC Co-operation
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Not at all. It highlights the toxicity of the internet echo chamber, nothing more. My interpretation was that mark687 was referring to the article itself highlighting the paucity of news with which to talk up the new series, of which would appear to be factually correct.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 8, 2019 17:59:12 GMT
So long as the BBC don't assure us that Chibnall and Whitaker have their complete confidence....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 18:12:23 GMT
Not at all. It highlights the toxicity of the internet echo chamber, nothing more. My interpretation was that mark687 was referring to the article itself highlighting the paucity of news with which to talk up the new series, of which would appear to be factually correct. But there is no news. The series isn't being broadcast until 2020!
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Post by Digi on Aug 8, 2019 19:01:53 GMT
Not at all. It highlights the toxicity of the internet echo chamber, nothing more. My interpretation was that mark687 was referring to the article itself highlighting the paucity of news with which to talk up the new series, of which would appear to be factually correct. I don't think 'A hasn't said anything so B makes stuff up, which makes C lose their s--t (even though A hasn't done anything)' is a valid take, or even remotely a valid criticism of A's PR. Product promotion is a very time-sensitive game. Do it too late and you don't get enough buzz before release, do it too soon and the anticipation is gone by the time you get there. It's not incumbent upon the BBC to promote too early just to sate entitled fans and keep them from eating each other. As was my point/response: this isn't about PR, this is about the internet echo chamber--the scant few thousand on the internet who work themselves up, while the tens upon millions of eyeballs the BBC actually cares about are just out there who are only engaged once they start seeing commercials on TV.
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Aug 8, 2019 22:31:38 GMT
My interpretation was that mark687 was referring to the article itself highlighting the paucity of news with which to talk up the new series, of which would appear to be factually correct. I don't think 'A hasn't said anything so B makes stuff up, which makes C lose their s--t (even though A hasn't done anything)' is a valid take, or even remotely a valid criticism of A's PR. Product promotion is a very time-sensitive game. Do it too late and you don't get enough buzz before release, do it too soon and the anticipation is gone by the time you get there. It's not incumbent upon the BBC to promote too early just to sate entitled fans and keep them from eating each other. As was my point/response: this isn't about PR, this is about the internet echo chamber--the scant few thousand on the internet who work themselves up, while the tens upon millions of eyeballs the BBC actually cares about are just out there who are only engaged once they start seeing commercials on TV. I doubt it’s even a few thousand. On Twitter I see a lot of the same faces spouting the same nonsense about “their” show being “ruined” all the time. It’s an incredibly vocal minority united in their dislike.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 9, 2019 6:02:27 GMT
The next Doctor should be a Aussie. Shaun MacCauliff.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Aug 9, 2019 6:47:40 GMT
What a relief! Tim.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 9, 2019 7:28:05 GMT
The next Doctor should be a Aussie. Shaun MacCauliff. Fun fact - An old workmate of mine went through high school with him. Extremely smart man and extremely funny. Ducks of the school- head prefect etc.
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Post by stcoop on Aug 9, 2019 7:43:50 GMT
So any follow-up from the original claimant or have they slunk away as these hoaxers usually do?
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 9, 2019 7:59:17 GMT
The rumours are all true uncle bob told me he works at the BBC canteen & overheard Chibnall & Whittaker gone all over who ate the last muffin apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 8:36:51 GMT
Some fair advice from former DWM Editor Gary Gillat here (multi post thread) on how to keep fan anticipation healthy, pretty much the way it was done pre internet in the Gallifrey Guardian pages of the magazine back in the day:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 9:18:12 GMT
Some fair advice from former DWM Editor Gary Gillat here (multi post thread) on how to keep fan anticipation healthy, pretty much the way it was done pre internet in the Gallifrey Guardian pages of the magazine back in the day:
Some interesting views from Gary, but why should Chris Chibnall - or the BBC - care too much about fan conspiracy theories? I quite like the way we know very little about the new episodes until they are aired. If the price to pay for keeping such things under wraps is a few knuckle-heads spreading rumours they have made up, then so be it.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 9, 2019 9:19:43 GMT
So any follow-up from the original claimant or have they slunk away as these hoaxers usually do? I think a question would be.. If 1 or more of these claims are proven true, what happens then?
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Post by Digi on Aug 9, 2019 10:06:14 GMT
Then we continue to ignore them, because a random internet guess is still just an internet guess. The person who correctly guesses a pub trivia question they didn’t actually know the answer to doesn’t get accolades for being smart.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 10:11:21 GMT
Some fair advice from former DWM Editor Gary Gillat here (multi post thread) on how to keep fan anticipation healthy, pretty much the way it was done pre internet in the Gallifrey Guardian pages of the magazine back in the day:
Some interesting views from Gary, but why should Chris Chibnall - or the BBC - care too much about fan conspiracy theories? I quite like the way we know very little about the new episodes until they are aired. If the price to pay for keeping such things under wraps is a few knuckle-heads spreading rumours they have made up, then so be it. He's not talking about this rumour ultimately, though, it's his last tweet about "anti-cipointment" and "legacy" that are his larger point I'd say. I'm not sure he's right about that, honestly. Maybe more should be done to keep the show "alive" in the public mind during years off but I think of the world's biggest shows - Game Of Thrones, Walking Dead - and even the UK's biggest - Bodyguard, Line Of Duty - and they don't need to be constantly in the news in off-seasons to come back as huge hits. Just a good month of build up, the right promotion on chat shows, enticing trailers etc and it's done. Getting eyeballs on Ep 1 is all that matters. Make that must-see, give people reason to come back the next week and you're jamming. Ep 1 last year was the biggest non-special in New Who. This next one won't be - no-ones tuning in just to see this controversial casting any more. It's this coming season that will really determine whether Jodie and Chibnall's era remains a big hit or plummets to half it's first season, like Capaldi and Moffat's did. Where Gary maybe does have a point is that in creating a vacuum of news - which RTD and Moffat never did, they'd always throw some crumbs - it does open the way to things like set pic leaks and these headlines being given an importance they maybe don't deserve, with the BBC not controlling any of the narrative. In S10 revealing John Simm's casting in advance I think we went too spoiler-y, so I can see why Chibnall has withdrawn but maybe too much the other way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 10:17:15 GMT
Then we continue to ignore them, because a random internet guess is still just an internet guess. The person who correctly guesses a pub trivia question they didn’t actually know the answer to doesn’t get accolades for being smart. Wouldn't you still get the accolade of being right and getting the point? I've won plenty of pub quizzes with a few informed guesses along the way so I'm not sure that analogy works too well!
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Post by stcoop on Aug 9, 2019 10:23:49 GMT
Where Gary maybe does have a point is that in creating a vacuum of news - which RTD and Moffat never did, they'd always throw some crumbs - it does open the way to things like set pic leaks and these headlines being given an importance they maybe don't deserve, with the BBC not controlling any of the narrative. Even saying something like Person X has been cast in a role in the upcoming series. It doesn't give anything away but keeps it in the public mind. We have a behind-the-scenes photo from South Africa when shooting started and a photo of the Judoon they released because of one of their increasingly rare pieces of public shooting, and that's it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 10:37:56 GMT
But other big shows don't constantly provide info during the time they are off air. Yes the fact that we won't get any more doctor who until next year is annoying but I still don't understand why so many want all this stuff?
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