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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 7:37:52 GMT
So it begins... The Complete Gallifrey series relistening starts now.. as March is too far away Think I would prefer also starting at the beginning rather than starting at the Time War I only have Intervention and it didn’t quite hook me tbh...but when I finish the Bennies I need something new
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Post by pawntake on Nov 21, 2018 7:57:59 GMT
More great releases my pre-order list has reached Saturation Point
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Post by inchmix on Nov 21, 2018 11:01:42 GMT
So it begins... The Complete Gallifrey series relistening starts now.. as March is too far away Think I would prefer also starting at the beginning rather than starting at the Time War I only have Intervention and it didn’t quite hook me tbh...but when I finish the Bennies I need something new I found Intervention as an odd release.
Its like they had planned an ongoing storyline, but then changed their minds, so found a way to wrap it up in Enemy Lines
The first 3 series was quite excellent, I thought. It's my favourite part of the whole range I really like Lynda Bellingham in these episodes. She was Gallifrey's Servalan
Series 4,5 & 6 were good too.
Especially liked the episodes with Geoffrey Beavers and another episode with Colin Baker.
Though they are not the timelords that you are expecting
So yes give it a go from the very beginning, audity, especially if you have not heard them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 11:11:01 GMT
Think I would prefer also starting at the beginning rather than starting at the Time War I only have Intervention and it didn’t quite hook me tbh...but when I finish the Bennies I need something new I found Intervention as an odd release.
Its like they had planned an ongoing storyline, but then changed their minds, so found a way to wrap it up in Enemy Lines
The first 3 series was quite excellent, I thought. It's my favourite part of the whole range I really like Lynda Bellingham in these episodes. She was Gallifrey's Servalan
Series 4,5 & 6 were good too.
Especially liked the episodes with Geoffrey Beavers and another episode with Colin Baker.
Though they are not the timelords that you are expecting
So yes give it a go from the very beginning, audity, especially if you have not heard them
I very much enjoy Linda in Trial of The Valeyard But then again its a strong three handed in that story
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Post by mbt66 on Nov 21, 2018 18:14:47 GMT
Think I would prefer also starting at the beginning rather than starting at the Time War I only have Intervention and it didn’t quite hook me tbh...but when I finish the Bennies I need something new I found Intervention as an odd release.
Its like they had planned an ongoing storyline, but then changed their minds, so found a way to wrap it up in Enemy Lines
The first 3 series was quite excellent, I thought. It's my favourite part of the whole range I really like Lynda Bellingham in these episodes. She was Gallifrey's Servalan
Series 4,5 & 6 were good too.
Especially liked the episodes with Geoffrey Beavers and another episode with Colin Baker.
Though they are not the timelords that you are expecting
So yes give it a go from the very beginning, audity, especially if you have not heard them
I agree that Intervention Earth is an odd release with a different Romana and a different episode format. At the time it felt like the start of something new. I have to wonder if Juliet Landau decided that she didn’t want to continue...she hasn’t been back since, which is a great shame. So faced with the loss of their lead the writers had to improvise. Resetting Gallifrey.
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Post by Digi on Nov 21, 2018 20:18:28 GMT
I really, really enjoyed Intervention Earth, like, a lot. I really dug Enemy Lines too.
But I do have a gripe: Whenever I listen to them, I feel like I'm getting Part 1 and Part 3, that somebody forgot to release Part 2.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 6:33:38 GMT
I found Intervention as an odd release.
Its like they had planned an ongoing storyline, but then changed their minds, so found a way to wrap it up in Enemy Lines
The first 3 series was quite excellent, I thought. It's my favourite part of the whole range I really like Lynda Bellingham in these episodes. She was Gallifrey's Servalan
Series 4,5 & 6 were good too.
Especially liked the episodes with Geoffrey Beavers and another episode with Colin Baker.
Though they are not the timelords that you are expecting
So yes give it a go from the very beginning, audity, especially if you have not heard them
I agree that Intervention Earth is an odd release with a different Romana and a different episode format. At the time it felt like the start of something new. I have to wonder if Juliet Landau decided that she didn’t want to continue...she hasn’t been back since, which is a great shame. So faced with the loss of their lead the writers had to improvise. Resetting Gallifrey. Juliet is a wonderful performer but i have to say i wasn’t entirely enthralled or captivated by her version of Romana i guess Drusilla was such a strong cook crazy character and vicious with it that Romana was going to appear bland to me
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 26, 2018 10:50:15 GMT
I found Intervention as an odd release.
Its like they had planned an ongoing storyline, but then changed their minds, so found a way to wrap it up in Enemy Lines
I agree that Intervention Earth is an odd release with a different Romana and a different episode format. At the time it felt like the start of something new. I have to wonder if Juliet Landau decided that she didn’t want to continue...she hasn’t been back since, which is a great shame. So faced with the loss of their lead the writers had to improvise. Resetting Gallifrey. agree 100% re Intervention Earth
Maybe the New Series License and ability to tell time War stories was the factor that changed it (the dates seem to work as far as we know). If they continued where they were going with Intevention Earth it meant they had written Romana 2 and Leela out of Gallifrey before the Time War started and they may have felt there were more dramatic possibilities if those 2 characters were still knocking about on Gallifrey during the Time War?
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Post by mrperson on Nov 26, 2018 22:00:21 GMT
Intervention Earth was a bit odd for me, too. All the others seemed to be connected to one overarching story. Intervention was just......there. Then they picked up with the overarching story and kept marching towards the Time War.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 28, 2018 7:37:40 GMT
I've heard it suggested (possibly by someone else here?) that the BBC was unhappy with Big Finish regenerating Romana, probably more on principle than out of an expectation Lalla Ward would be showing up in the new series. Of course, Juliet Landau not wanting to continue or Big Finish wanting to return to the earlier Gallifrey line-up are just as likely.
I'm dead certain the dropped Omega plot was down to K-9: Timequake, though. I'd bet money on it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 7:49:35 GMT
I've heard it suggested (possibly by someone else here?) that the BBC was unhappy with Big Finish regenerating Romana, probably more on principle than out of an expectation Lalla Ward would be showing up in the new series. Of course, Juliet Landau not wanting to continue or Big Finish wanting to return to the earlier Gallifrey line-up are just as likely. I'm dead certain the dropped Omega plot was down to K-9: Timequake, though. I'd bet money on it. I got the feeling from reading that the incarnation of Gallifrey wasn’t a great success and they wanted to revert back to the original template. Since i had only listened to Intervention earth I didn’t know any different.I have bought a copy of Time War and if i enjoy it i will go back and start Gallifrey from the beginning
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 28, 2018 8:49:14 GMT
I've heard it suggested (possibly by someone else here?) that the BBC was unhappy with Big Finish regenerating Romana, probably more on principle than out of an expectation Lalla Ward would be showing up in the new series. Of course, Juliet Landau not wanting to continue or Big Finish wanting to return to the earlier Gallifrey line-up are just as likely. I'm dead certain the dropped Omega plot was down to K-9: Timequake, though. I'd bet money on it. I got the feeling from reading that the incarnation of Gallifrey wasn’t a great success and they wanted to revert back to the original template. Since i had only listened to Intervention earth I didn’t know any different.I have bought a copy of Time War and if i enjoy it i will go back and start Gallifrey from the beginning Series 1 to 3 are some of the best stuff bf have ever done
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 8:58:46 GMT
I got the feeling from reading that the incarnation of Gallifrey wasn’t a great success and they wanted to revert back to the original template. Since i had only listened to Intervention earth I didn’t know any different.I have bought a copy of Time War and if i enjoy it i will go back and start Gallifrey from the beginning Series 1 to 3 are some of the best stuff bf have ever done I will give Time War a shot then see
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 28, 2018 11:34:07 GMT
Series 1 to 3 are some of the best stuff bf have ever done I will give Time War a shot then see So what made you join the dark side (Time War) after all?
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Post by Digi on Nov 28, 2018 11:52:00 GMT
I've never seen or heard any indication that Intervention Earth was poorly received or sold poorly. In fact, I would think that the fact that they commissioned Enemy Lines would be pretty compelling evidence that the exact opposite was the case.
I'd be a little bit more inclined toward the 'BBC wants Lalla' option, but even then I would hesitate on two fronts: 1) As long as the Beeb gets their license fee out of Big Finish, I don't think they'd really care how well or poorly Big Finish sells; and 2) Landau had already been future Romana in Gallifrey VI, so I'm not sure there would be a great deal of pushback on a returning character.
To me there's really three likely explanations...
The negative option: that the plan had been to move forward with Juliet Landau as the series lead, but the experience for the Big Finish folks was less than positive, so the plan was scrapped and Landau dumped.
The less-negative option: Lalla Ward was unavailable for the recording of Intervention Earth, but when she became available, Big Finish opted to return to their longtime friend and performer. Unfortunate for Landau, but from a certain POV, understandable.
The completely benign option: Juliet Landau lives in the US, and may have simply been unavailable when it came time to record the follow-up to Intervention Earth. Things were rejigged, and Enemy Lines was the result.
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 28, 2018 12:09:49 GMT
I've never seen or heard any indication that Intervention Earth was poorly received or sold poorly. In fact, I would think that the fact that they commissioned Enemy Lines would be pretty compelling evidence that the exact opposite was the case. I'd be a little bit more inclined toward the 'BBC wants Lalla' option, but even then I would hesitate on two fronts: 1) As long as the Beeb gets their license fee out of Big Finish, I don't think they'd really care how well or poorly Big Finish sells; and 2) Landau had already been future Romana in Gallifrey VI, so I'm not sure there would be a great deal of pushback on a returning character. To me there's really three likely explanations... The negative option: that the plan had been to move forward with Juliet Landau as the series lead, but the experience for the Big Finish folks was less than positive, so the plan was scrapped and Landau dumped. The less-negative option: Lalla Ward was unavailable for the recording of Intervention Earth, but when she became available, Big Finish opted to return to their longtime friend and performer. Unfortunate for Landau, but from a certain POV, understandable. The completely benign option: Juliet Landau lives in the US, and may have simply been unavailable when it came time to record the follow-up to Intervention Earth. Things were rejigged, and Enemy Lines was the result. I could be misremembering but I have a feeling Enemy Lines was announced (at a Big finish day?) just before Intervention Earth came out? can anyone else confirm or deny? mark687 or omega are usually good on the BF trivia
If so, that would seem to disprove the "poor sales" theory
EDIT: just checked the old news items on the BF site, EL was announced 17 Jan 2015 but IE was not released until Feb 2015
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 28, 2018 12:14:37 GMT
I've never seen or heard any indication that Intervention Earth was poorly received or sold poorly. In fact, I would think that the fact that they commissioned Enemy Lines would be pretty compelling evidence that the exact opposite was the case. I'd be a little bit more inclined toward the 'BBC wants Lalla' option, but even then I would hesitate on two fronts: 1) As long as the Beeb gets their license fee out of Big Finish, I don't think they'd really care how well or poorly Big Finish sells; and 2) Landau had already been future Romana in Gallifrey VI, so I'm not sure there would be a great deal of pushback on a returning character. To me there's really three likely explanations... The negative option: that the plan had been to move forward with Juliet Landau as the series lead, but the experience for the Big Finish folks was less than positive, so the plan was scrapped and Landau dumped. The less-negative option: Lalla Ward was unavailable for the recording of Intervention Earth, but when she became available, Big Finish opted to return to their longtime friend and performer. Unfortunate for Landau, but from a certain POV, understandable. The completely benign option: Juliet Landau lives in the US, and may have simply been unavailable when it came time to record the follow-up to Intervention Earth. Things were rejigged, and Enemy Lines was the result. Intervention Earth felt like the middle part of a trilogy and when Enemy Lines was announced I assumed (wrongly) that we were getting the first part of that trilogy.
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Post by Digi on Nov 28, 2018 12:28:10 GMT
I've never seen or heard any indication that Intervention Earth was poorly received or sold poorly. In fact, I would think that the fact that they commissioned Enemy Lines would be pretty compelling evidence that the exact opposite was the case. I'd be a little bit more inclined toward the 'BBC wants Lalla' option, but even then I would hesitate on two fronts: 1) As long as the Beeb gets their license fee out of Big Finish, I don't think they'd really care how well or poorly Big Finish sells; and 2) Landau had already been future Romana in Gallifrey VI, so I'm not sure there would be a great deal of pushback on a returning character. To me there's really three likely explanations... The negative option: that the plan had been to move forward with Juliet Landau as the series lead, but the experience for the Big Finish folks was less than positive, so the plan was scrapped and Landau dumped. The less-negative option: Lalla Ward was unavailable for the recording of Intervention Earth, but when she became available, Big Finish opted to return to their longtime friend and performer. Unfortunate for Landau, but from a certain POV, understandable. The completely benign option: Juliet Landau lives in the US, and may have simply been unavailable when it came time to record the follow-up to Intervention Earth. Things were rejigged, and Enemy Lines was the result. Intervention Earth felt like the middle part of a trilogy and when Enemy Lines was announced I assumed (wrongly) that we were getting the first part of that trilogy. I'm not too far removed from that. I may have mentioned this earlier in the thread, but to this day I feel like Intervention Earth is Part 1 and Enemy Lines is Part 3 (and somewhere along the line somebody forgot to release Part 2). I kind of feel like it was meant to be "Yesterday's Enterprise" in that the story opens in the broken alternate timeline, things become utterly dire, and eventually the final resolution restores the original timeline. I know I shouldn't complain because I loved Time War 1 and am thrilled to bits that we're getting 2, 3, and 4, but I still think it's a rotten shame that we never got to hear the Omega War that would have been (in my mind) Part 2 of the IE/EL trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 12:45:32 GMT
I will give Time War a shot then see So what made you join the dark side (Time War) after all? It was going cheap on Amazon 🤪
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 28, 2018 13:20:27 GMT
I’ve spoken to a couple of cast members at cons and signings about working with Juliet Landau and they weren’t complimentary.
Coincidentally I’m just downloading Luna Romana to listen to.
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