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Post by barnabaslives on Mar 24, 2019 15:45:24 GMT
Had a wonderful afternoon yesterday listening to this, very engaging. I think it does quite well meeting the high standards set by the first Time War set (and the range in general) even with absent regulars and a different approach to Rassilon than Dalton's steely portrayal. Definitely glad I got this, I just wish I could expect the next installment sooner.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Mar 26, 2019 14:15:25 GMT
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Post by masterdoctor on Mar 26, 2019 15:07:36 GMT
I've had to jump in this thread to say that DIGI I CURSE YOU! I was only going to purchase the first volume during the sale as it has Ace, Leela, Braxitel and The War Master in it, but after your write-ups, and the sheer talent of the writing team, I bought all 4 volumes!!!! I'm on the first episode of Volume 1 and I'm mad because I'm getting sucked into another range...
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Post by Digi on Mar 26, 2019 15:42:53 GMT
I've had to jump in this thread to say that DIGI I CURSE YOU! I was only going to purchase the first volume during the sale as it has Ace, Leela, Braxitel and The War Master in it, but after your write-ups, and the sheer talent of the writing team, I bought all 4 volumes!!!! I'm on the first episode of Volume 1 and I'm mad because I'm getting sucked into another range... Hold up, what have I done now?!
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 26, 2019 16:23:03 GMT
I loved that! Thoroughly enjoyable from start to finish. Sure, none of the twists were all that surprising (the 'twist' in Collateral was so obvious I'd worked it out literally 4 minutes into the story), but the conflicting morals of the characters was great to listen to. I, too, am surprised by how short-lived Hardiman's incarnation is going to be. I'd assumed they'd intended on keeping him until Volume 4, but clearly not... Also, regarding Ollistra, I think they could regenerate her on again after Doom Coaltion 4, have the War Council decide that they preferred the previous one and have them forcibly regenerate her back again (re-establishing Jacqueline Pearce's incarnation for the War Doctor stories). It would be a good way to continue the character, who is definitely worth seeing more of, while still sticking to the established continuity. Unless they have a Post-War/End Of War Incarnation coming back to try and get things done right the second time around. Yes, it’s something that only needs a quick bit of dialogue. You could set up the Carolyn Pickles incarnation in Gallifrey and towards the end of Volume 4, she could be sent on a mission to New York to fulfill her mission. Cue events of Doom Coalition whilst still getting the character in Gallifrey in the absence of Jacqueline Pearce. Just a thought. I’d really like Ken Bones’ General involved. And Clare Higgins’ Ohila.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 26, 2019 16:26:10 GMT
On an unrelated note, what happened to K9 in the Gallifrey timeline? I miss him in the Time War sets. They could even have him bow out in these and have him crash down to Earth and link it to the Australian series.
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Post by Digi on Mar 26, 2019 16:28:54 GMT
On an unrelated note, what happened to K9 in the Gallifrey timeline? I miss him in the Time War sets. They could even have him bow out in these and have him crash down to Earth and link it to the Australian series. Yeah he’s been absent for several years — last appeared in Series VI. As far as I know, there’s been no in-universe explanation for his absence and/or fate in any of the Intervention Earth-onward releases. I kinda miss him too, but I also understand that he doesn’t really fit the tone of the new era.
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Post by masterdoctor on Mar 26, 2019 16:42:59 GMT
I've had to jump in this thread to say that DIGI I CURSE YOU! I was only going to purchase the first volume during the sale as it has Ace, Leela, Braxitel and The War Master in it, but after your write-ups, and the sheer talent of the writing team, I bought all 4 volumes!!!! I'm on the first episode of Volume 1 and I'm mad because I'm getting sucked into another range... Hold up, what have I done now?! I was supposed to have all the ranges narrowed down to the ones I would follow, and you made me try another and get sucked in to Gallifrey...
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 26, 2019 16:52:01 GMT
On an unrelated note, what happened to K9 in the Gallifrey timeline? I miss him in the Time War sets. They could even have him bow out in these and have him crash down to Earth and link it to the Australian series. Yeah he’s been absent for several years — last appeared in Series VI. As far as I know, there’s been no in-universe explanation for his absence and/or fate in any of the Intervention Earth-onward releases. I kinda miss him too, but I also understand that he doesn’t really fit the tone of the new era. I think I had an amusing thought of K9 doing espionage in the capitol or leading a flotilla of Battle TARDISes and it made me miss him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 17:02:23 GMT
I loved Vol 1 but I didn't care for this one anywhere near as much. This felt - understandably given it's placement as the second of four releases - like it was treading a bit too much water. Things didn't shake up enough over 4 hours and where we're left isn't terribly different to where we've left this same cast of characters in sets going back years. When the sets are a full year apart the lack of scale shows even more. I appreciate it's only the second set but Vol 1 had a lot more going on with a more characters facing really major tests. {Spoiler} Rassilon was a bit of a damp squib. He's really not in it anywhere as near as much as I think most would expect and his actions here aren't much different to those of previous Gallifrey antagonists. Having this incarnation die already so we can have a regeneration that's "even more powerful" as the script says seems a bit of a cop-out. Makes this incarnation, and therefore the major sell of the set, weaker in retrospect. I just didn't think there was enough new here and compared to the varied stories of the first set it's a let down. It felt kinda like Gallifrey's Greatest Hits. If the next set were a few months off then fair enough but an annual installment means there's only once a year to stick the landing and, for me, this one just didn't. I think the series should have tried to introduce and really establish new characters over the years instead of relying on Romana and Narvin and the next set seems that we'll revisit another safe set of hands. Supporting characters come and go but they're rarely well developed. What I really liked about Invervention Earth was changing the status quo so much, I wish that story had taken off more than it seems to have. I liked the performances, the music, the sound design - it was all well made, just not so well told IMO.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 26, 2019 17:05:45 GMT
I completely understand the comment about this set not shaking things up enough. It does seem to be playing the long game this time around. That’s fine, but it can come across as lacking a little when these sets are once a year.
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 26, 2019 22:00:24 GMT
Currently, although I have all the other Gallifrey releases and loved Gallifrey: Time War 1 I have not preordered this set simply because it did not sell itself to me.
It needed more of a hook than the return of Rassilon or at least the return of Rassilon not portrayed by someone with a little bit of wow factor. (No offence to Terrence Hardiman as I enjoyed his villainous roles in The English Way of Death and The Judgement of Sherlock Holmes, But therein lies the problem)
The middle two episodes of the first set were my favourite part of that boxset, but all the characters in those didn’t make it to Time War 2.
Hopefully the promotion of the third set will fire my imagination and then I can take advantage of the bundle and catch up.
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Post by Digi on Mar 26, 2019 23:14:22 GMT
Currently, although I have all the other Gallifrey releases and loved Gallifrey: Time War 1 I have not preordered this set simply because it did not sell itself to me. It needed more of a hook than the return of Rassilon or at least the return of Rassilon not portrayed by someone with a little bit of wow factor. (No offence to Terrence Hardiman as I enjoyed his villainous roles in The English Way of Death and The Judgement of Sherlock Holmes, But therein lies the problem) The middle two episodes of the first set were my favourite part of that boxset, but all the characters in those didn’t make it to Time War 2. Hopefully the promotion of the third set will fire my imagination and then I can take advantage of the bundle and catch up. I think this is sufficiently vague enough that I'm not spoiling anything from Volume 2, but just in case... {Spoiler} It looks like (at least) one of the characters absent by the end of Volume 1 may be returning in Volume 3. (Note that I am not specifying where they went, what episode in Vol 1 they exited in, or even their gender!)
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 27, 2019 11:26:40 GMT
Currently, although I have all the other Gallifrey releases and loved Gallifrey: Time War 1 I have not preordered this set simply because it did not sell itself to me. It needed more of a hook than the return of Rassilon or at least the return of Rassilon not portrayed by someone with a little bit of wow factor. (No offence to Terrence Hardiman as I enjoyed his villainous roles in The English Way of Death and The Judgement of Sherlock Holmes, But therein lies the problem) The middle two episodes of the first set were my favourite part of that boxset, but all the characters in those didn’t make it to Time War 2. Hopefully the promotion of the third set will fire my imagination and then I can take advantage of the bundle and catch up. I think this is sufficiently vague enough that I'm not spoiling anything from Volume 2, but just in case... {Spoiler} It looks like (at least) one of the characters absent by the end of Volume 1 may be returning in Volume 3. (Note that I am not specifying where they went, what episode in Vol 1 they exited in, or even their gender!) Thanks for the spoiler free spoiler! I often find Gallifrey hard to love as it tends to annoy and go off on some strange tangents, but it always gets me investing in the end.
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Post by mrperson on Mar 28, 2019 18:45:12 GMT
<deleting. Trying to edit spoilers screwed things up>
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Post by mrperson on Mar 28, 2019 18:52:55 GMT
I don't mind the somewhat slower pace.
Ok...something is up with editing spoilers. When I went to edit to add a line to a spoiler, the site turned it into two spoiler tags. Copy/pasting it all into a new spoiler in a new post has now created three spoiler tags. When I edit the post, I only see one "spoiler" in brackets. ugh.
Anyway, the comments are in the first and third spoiler tag. Don't know what to do to fix it at this point.
. {Spoiler} Leela: in the last Gallifrey set, she's thrown into the vortex.
But in the War Doc set, I could have sworn there was some line about her being hit with a 'time disruptor' or...other time-thingy (not the 'time destructor' that the doc sets off), in one of the opening battles of the war. Then, later in the series, the Doctor finds her mentally damaged. (Was that Lady of Obsidian?).
Unless I've gotten something horribly wrong, this is inconsistent.
Also, Romana working with (or creating? I might have misunderstood something) the "assassin" race to try to kill Rassilon took me by surprise.
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Post by Digi on Mar 28, 2019 19:41:55 GMT
^ That’s only an inconsistency until it’s not
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Post by sherlock on Mar 28, 2019 19:44:39 GMT
I don't mind the somewhat slower pace.
Ok...something is up with editing spoilers. When I went to edit to add a line to a spoiler, the site turned it into two spoiler tags. Copy/pasting it all into a new spoiler in a new post has now created three spoiler tags. When I edit the post, I only see one "spoiler" in brackets. ugh.
Anyway, the comments are in the first and third spoiler tag. Don't know what to do to fix it at this point.
. {Spoiler} Leela: in the last Gallifrey set, she's thrown into the vortex.
But in the War Doc set, I could have sworn there was some line about her being hit with a 'time disruptor' or...other time-thingy (not the 'time destructor' that the doc sets off), in one of the opening battles of the war. Then, later in the series, the Doctor finds her mentally damaged. (Was that Lady of Obsidian?).
Unless I've gotten something horribly wrong, this is inconsistent.
Also, Romana working with (or creating? I might have misunderstood something) the "assassin" race to try to kill Rassilon took me by surprise.
Given the ending of this set, I imagine this inconsistency will soon be resolved.
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 16, 2019 8:43:57 GMT
Enjoyed this set.
Where it really succeeds is in setting up / justifying the sheer vehemence of Cassie's attitude to the Time Lords in NOTD, which came across as a bit overdone to me on first viewing. Now it seems entirely appropriate.
References in it seem to pkace it befoee 8th Dr Time War 1.
I still want to see tbe parallel tracks of 8th Dr Time War and Gallifrey Time War interact
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 24, 2019 7:37:53 GMT
Quick question- I never had contact with the series beforehand, but I am quite enjoying myself with volume 1. Do you think I might enjoy this one? It sounds at least interesting and I would be interested in an evil Rassilon... however, I bought vol.1 because it promised great characters like Brax, Ace and the Master and they are all missing from volume 2. I am not so much into the politics and intrigue side of things nor in Romana (although her becoming a rebel sounds promising). Does this release carry itself above that? Worth it to pick up as long as it is still pre-order price?
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