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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 13:17:40 GMT
Re: The Four Doctors/The Five Companions... I can understand BF wanting to keep their word on something they proclaimed very loudly at the time, that these were subscription exclusives. (I think they're still branded like this.) The problem is, the Doctor Who Main Range isn't as main as it once was and these two titles can go for silly money on eBay, putting them out of reach of the many new fans that Big Finish have picked up in recent years. Making these two Doctor Who stories available as special downloads now wouldn't be a big deal, and the people who think that these are two mystical classic BF releases will soon find out that they are average enough tales and really not worth all the fuss or paying over the odds for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 13:26:37 GMT
What part of "BF promised those two stories would only ever be available by taking out a subscription and it would be a breach of terms to make them available in any other way" isn't getting through here?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 17:42:02 GMT
What part of "BF promised those two stories would only ever be available by taking out a subscription and it would be a breach of terms to make them available in any other way" isn't getting through here? In life, things can - and do - change. A promise made and kept is honourable, but nobody at Big Finish would be going to prison if those two stories were released at some stage. Personally, I don't care either way... as they are not stories worth getting worked up over. My point is, as a long term Main Range subscriber I wouldn't have a problem if those bonus stories were available for sale like the other bonus releases are. (Others feel the same by the look of it.) Of course, Big Finish wanting to keep their word is fine too and if Nick feels that is for the best, then I'm not going to be crying over it.
Anyone want to buy CD copies of The Four Doctors and The Five Companions? €50 each. PM me if interested. Thanks!
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Post by idle453 on Nov 26, 2018 0:24:03 GMT
I thought I should mention that I went ahead and subscribed and did get the December bonus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 2:10:10 GMT
What part of "BF promised those two stories would only ever be available by taking out a subscription and it would be a breach of terms to make them available in any other way" isn't getting through here? Charming attitude. You must be a laugh at parties. You've said more than once it would be illegal - what's the law that BF would be breaking by selling the discs, bearing in mind they were free gifts in the first place and not part of the financial trade of goods and money? The only thing being broken here is the broken record about it being "illegal".
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 26, 2018 2:18:12 GMT
What part of "BF promised those two stories would only ever be available by taking out a subscription and it would be a breach of terms to make them available in any other way" isn't getting through here? The part where there are no terms to breach. What part of that isn't clear to you?
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 26, 2018 9:20:12 GMT
What part of "BF promised" isn't getting through here? Promises are not legally binding. if I promise to meet someone for a coffee and then don't show up, they can't sue me in court.
What would anyone sue BF for exactly? What outcome would you want to see from a court case? It is not a criminal law issue, JHE is not going to go to prison over it. In a civil case you might get damages but the amounts involved, even in the unlikely event a judge didn't throw the case out straightaway for wasting the court's time, would be tiny. Plus this is described as a gift, and a gift does not require a contract to be in place, so no breach of contract claim would be possible
As an aside, remember after the 10% across the board sale in 2013, people complained that is was unfair to those who had previously pre-ordered, and BF promised that pre-orders, bundles or subs would never be in a sale like that again. Guess what? They broke that promise last year with another 10% sale.
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 26, 2018 9:58:34 GMT
I've no idea how these things work... Maybe if they weren't originally planning on doing anything with them except giving them away as a sub bonuses, they didn't do the paperwork for it, much as we have heard that they can't offer early Bernice on download until the paperwork's re-done because they hadn't thought to include downloads in the terms and contracts originally?
I've no druthers personally about BF making sub bonuses or anything else more accessible, there's nothing particularly attractive to me about being one of an exclusive group who gets to hear something, I just wanted to hear these and figure they were meant to be heard. As other have mentioned The Four Doctors and The Five Companions may not be the best stories ever but I did find them very enjoyable and the extraordinary cast naturally made them even better.
I will say it pays to try to look ahead, I never imagined being able to afford the whole Monthly Range so in the beginning I tended to go piecemeal rather than subscriptions, so things ended up costing more than if I'd just bit the bullet on the sub price in the first place.
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Post by Tony Jones on Nov 26, 2018 16:14:58 GMT
When The Four Doctors and The Five Companions were announced, Big Finish explicitly said that the only way to get them would be via a subscription. They cannot legally make them available by any other method. You are actually serious? There is no law to break. They entered into no contract. If they make the decision to sell them to the public there is no case that anyone could make. Their statement was a PR stunt to push subscriptions. Correct - all this talk of 'legal' and 'law' is naive. They would damage their reputation but it is unclear on what grounds anybody could claim against them
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Post by Ela on Nov 26, 2018 17:10:27 GMT
I doubt they would even damage their reputation over a promise made so many years ago.
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