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5. I'd be careful with statements about whether or not Jodie's Doctor is as developed as she should be at this point in time, unless perhaps one recorded their ongoing thoughts about seasons prior regenerations in detail. We are all operating with hindsight, after all.
I'm going to preface what follows with the words: At the time...
Can confirm, the Twelfth Doctor of Series 8 struck me as a bit one-note at the beginning. He didn't really click until Series 10 where the two halves of his previous season's personas were pulled together into a greater whole. If you'd asked me how I felt about him during Series 9, that was when I was thinking of leaving the programme to do its thing. I liked Capaldi as an actor (his Richelieu was what brought me to The Musketeers), but I didn't think his Doctor was being done much justice at the time. I'd felt he went from a one-note Malcolm to a kinda-Eleven and it was a really bad mistake having him be "not the Doctor" at times; if you're on the ropes about characterisation, it's not what you want to hear. It was only the promise/premise of David Suchet that brought me back for Series 10. I'm glad I did come back, though, it would've been a mistake to jump ship at that point. Series 10 was phenomenal and my personal highlight for the Moffat era. It did everything right with its Doctor, companions and how it approached its stories. There's only one story that I can't watch because its premise just doesn't work in Who ( The Pyramid at the End of the World's odd lack of the internationally-based UNIT), the rest is absolutely golden. It feels weird knowing that just a couple years ago, the previous paragraph was occurring, but that's the way it was. I suppose people also have short memories when it comes to media after a certain point. I remember a very heated discussion between two friends who thought Season 22's pacing problems were unique... And then we all sat down and watched The Invisible Enemy... And Underworld... And The Horns of Nimon... And Meglos... And mumbled apologies were being handed out with the chips. Along with the house cactus occupying its own seat on the couch. So no judgment here, one way or the other, people's opinions do change and evolve with the passage of time. It'll be fascinating to see where this new era goes next, particularly with the benefit of the production gap.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 3:39:00 GMT
Saying "it's early days..." is fair enough but we've had the series and we're being asked to review what we've seen so far. It'd be a bit dull to say "ask me in 2 years". I don't think anyone has posted saying they think this is it and there's no chance of development for the character of Jodie's Doctor. If anything we can look back in years ahead and see what we were right and wrong about on the longer track.
However, FWIW since it has come up above more than once, I thought there was more development, versatility, character and facets to Capaldi's Doctor in his two part Series 8 finale alone than in all of S11 combined for Jodie's Doctor who's just been a bit....one-note. In fact the only Doc I'd say if I'd written about post their first series I'd be wrong about would be McCoy - and even then only on some character stuff, not the erratic performances he gave.
Well, I say the Doctor has been a bit one note - it's really closer to two-note - bouncy happy to a bit....mildly peeved. Jodie's not had much to really stretch her acting in this series. Toning down the character post RTD and Moffat is fine but they're far from the only two head writers who would have made sure The Doctor was legit angry at what Tim Shaw did to those five planets, for one example. We don't need the fury of a Timelord stuff but even Tom in The Pirate Planet faced with the same villain plan was pretty furious by his standards. Jodie seemed as peeved at Graham than she did at Tim slaughtering all life on five worlds wheras reserving the anger for Tim and treating Graham will disappointment, or even encouragement that she believes he'll do the right thing makes more sense to me - but she's written and played as being in pretty much the same mood about both. I'm not sure there are many Doctors who have been given such a limited spectrum to act in their maiden year. I guess knowing Jodie can act with a remarkable range and that Chibnall can write broader makes this more galling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 4:39:22 GMT
Saying "it's early days..." is fair enough but we've had the series and we're being asked to review what we've seen so far. It'd be a bit dull to say "ask me in 2 years". I don't think anyone has posted saying they think this is it and there's no chance of development for the character of Jodie's Doctor. If anything we can look back in years ahead and see what we were right and wrong about on the longer track. Glad you agree with me. However, FWIW since it has come up above more than once, I thought there was more development, versatility, character and facets to Capaldi's Doctor in his two part Series 8 finale alone than in all of S11 combined for Jodie's Doctor who's just been a bit....one-note. In fact the only Doc I'd say if I'd written about post their first series I'd be wrong about would be McCoy - and even then only on some character stuff, not the erratic performances he gave. Well, I say the Doctor has been a bit one note - it's really closer to two-note - bouncy happy to a bit....mildly peeved. Jodie's not had much to really stretch her acting in this series. Toning down the character post RTD and Moffat is fine but they're far from the only two head writers who would have made sure The Doctor was legit angry at what Tim Shaw did to those five planets, for one example. We don't need the fury of a Timelord stuff but even Tom in The Pirate Planet faced with the same villain plan was pretty furious by his standards. Jodie seemed as peeved at Graham than she did at Tim slaughtering all life on five worlds wheras reserving the anger for Tim and treating Graham will disappointment, or even encouragement that she believes he'll do the right thing makes more sense to me - but she's written and played as being in pretty much the same mood about both. I'm not sure there are many Doctors who have been given such a limited spectrum to act in their maiden year. I guess knowing Jodie can act with a remarkable range and that Chibnall can write broader makes this more galling. It all depends on what you're expecting really. I thought that two-parter relied very heavily on what was already a foregone conclusion. We'd already had Am I a Good Man? explored very thoroughly over the course of the RTD era through the Lonely God angle. Something which relied on an inconsistency with his own companion, Clara, as well. I find it really difficult to believe that a woman who had met every incarnation previous would have such a hard time adjusting to this new Doctor. It's the culminiation of a story arc that doesn't make much character sense for either of them and that's what the story focusses on. A nice idea, but there's no real drama to it. It's very safe.
Well, a very good example specifically for that episode is Flesh and Stone with Eleven steamrolling right over Amy's feelings because he hasn't the time, he needs to solve the problem. This is a nice inverse of that, just what we need after Twelve's penchant for rage. She doesn't waste the energy, she gets right to it and tries to fix the problem; a nice counterbalance to Capaldi's anger. That's a legitimate personality, even for the Doctor, not everyone reacts with outward fire and fury in a crisis situation. Some of the best crisis management has people disregard their upset and focus on the problem instead. What I think this incarnation lacks more than most Doctors over the past couple years is angst. That's a very refreshing change of pace as of 2018. I'm sure in the wake of Tom, Peter (Davison) seemed rather demure too, but his first year still has some really nice stories and really nice character moments.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 5:11:34 GMT
Saying "it's early days..." is fair enough but we've had the series and we're being asked to review what we've seen so far. It'd be a bit dull to say "ask me in 2 years". I don't think anyone has posted saying they think this is it and there's no chance of development for the character of Jodie's Doctor. If anything we can look back in years ahead and see what we were right and wrong about on the longer track. Glad you agree with me. However, FWIW since it has come up above more than once, I thought there was more development, versatility, character and facets to Capaldi's Doctor in his two part Series 8 finale alone than in all of S11 combined for Jodie's Doctor who's just been a bit....one-note. In fact the only Doc I'd say if I'd written about post their first series I'd be wrong about would be McCoy - and even then only on some character stuff, not the erratic performances he gave. Well, I say the Doctor has been a bit one note - it's really closer to two-note - bouncy happy to a bit....mildly peeved. Jodie's not had much to really stretch her acting in this series. Toning down the character post RTD and Moffat is fine but they're far from the only two head writers who would have made sure The Doctor was legit angry at what Tim Shaw did to those five planets, for one example. We don't need the fury of a Timelord stuff but even Tom in The Pirate Planet faced with the same villain plan was pretty furious by his standards. Jodie seemed as peeved at Graham than she did at Tim slaughtering all life on five worlds wheras reserving the anger for Tim and treating Graham will disappointment, or even encouragement that she believes he'll do the right thing makes more sense to me - but she's written and played as being in pretty much the same mood about both. I'm not sure there are many Doctors who have been given such a limited spectrum to act in their maiden year. I guess knowing Jodie can act with a remarkable range and that Chibnall can write broader makes this more galling. It all depends on what you're expecting really. I thought that two-parter relied very heavily on what was already a foregone conclusion. We'd already had Am I a Good Man? explored very thoroughly over the course of the RTD era through the Lonely God angle. Something which relied on an inconsistency with his own companion, Clara, as well. I find it really difficult to believe that a woman who had met every incarnation previous would have such a hard time adjusting to this new Doctor. It's the culminiation of a story arc that doesn't make much character sense for either of them and that's what the story focusses on. A nice idea, but there's no real drama to it. It's very safe.
Well, a very good example specifically for that episode is Flesh and Stone with Eleven steamrolling right over Amy's feelings because he hasn't the time, he needs to solve the problem. This is a nice inverse of that, just what we need after Twelve's penchant for rage. She doesn't waste the energy, she gets right to it and tries to fix the problem; a nice counterbalance to Capaldi's anger. That's a legitimate personality, even for the Doctor, not everyone reacts with outward fire and fury in a crisis situation. Some of the best crisis management has people disregard their upset and focus on the problem instead. What I think this incarnation lacks more than most Doctors over the past couple years is angst. That's a very refreshing change of pace as of 2018. I'm sure in the wake of Tom, Peter (Davison) seemed rather demure too, but his first year still has some really nice stories and really nice character moments.
Given you said "So no judgment here, one way or the other" I'm not really sure how much we're agreeing there. I think you're mistaking what I'm saying about character for the quality of the storytelling being good. I don't care much for Tennant's Doctor at all - but he's got far more facets to him than we've seen of Jodie this year and crucialy did within a comporable number of episodes, so I didn't need to wait too long to draw at least some conclusions on the character as we're suggesting Jodie needs. You can disagree of course with whether what the actors previous in New Who were given was something good, something interesting or something worthwhile but I'm not terribly sure there's much of a way it could be argued that they had more to play than Jodie has. Maybe what they got to play was out of character, or erratic but as characters they at least felt like they had more going on than a very thin surface level. So far Jodie's your pal who gets a bit cross sometimes. She's not drifted far from that summation once in the whole series. You can say the last 13 years had Doctors who were overwritten, absolutely, but I'm saying I think being underwritten is maybe a bigger problem for me - ertainly longer term. Doesn't mean that can't be fixed but I've seen nothing in Chibnall's eps to suggest this so far. The series - and I don't think this is a minority opinion looking at other posts here and elsewhere - has been saved by the guest writers' eps. Credit goes to him for commissioning them, sure, but RTD and Moffat gave us at least one home run, arguably more, in their maiden years. There was more of a sense of a foundation for what comes next than there is here. As to Peter being more demure than Tom - sure, but being nice isn't my issue with Jodie - it's being nothing but that. It's a CBBC version of the character so far. Like above with Tennant, Peter had more range given to him to play in that first year. He wasn't just the demure Doctor. He was furious at the Cybermen, he was struck numb with grief, he was confused with his new self, he was frustrated with Adric, he was fed up with Tegan, he was playful in The Visitation, he was having the time of his life in Black Orchid. Jodie's not had any of this. She enters happy go lucky - might get a bit miffed (never too much) and leaves happy go lucky too. That's just not a rounded character and worst of all a bit of a dull one. It's clearly working for some and I'm sure it's only just that the show needed to course correct to ensure it's survival but - and as always I never pretend to speak for anyone else - I'm not sure it couldn't have been done with a bit more depth and more compelling ideas from the man running the show. His star deserves it. Yet week to week nothing has been truly bad (maybe Conundrum) but it kinda feels like that was the goal - aim for the lowest hanging fruit and you'll probably get it. Aim higher and you might fail...but it could taste sweeter. As it stands I've just seem nothing to suggest that Chibnall could - on his best day - give us a Blink, a Midnight, a Journey's End, a Doctor Falls. Before he started we had posters saying "but his eps have all been quite bland" and I'd ALWAYS post "but he was writing mid-season gun for hire works - let's see what he can do with the keys to the kingdom when he's the one getting the marquee eps". Well....not much in S11, sadly. It's been 8 years since I've really not loved a year of Who but this is the first time since it came back my issue was the main character (not main actor, difference) and head writer combo. I wasn't a Tennant era fan but it was striving for something bigger than "likeable - will help ratings". I've got no vested interest in not loving this era. I love Jodie. I've loved Chibnall's other work. I like all the casting. I think it looks better than ever. But I can't pretend it's getting me excited for Sundays in the way I've spent the best part of the last 13 years counting down the days to Saturday Who. I guess - to put in one reductive sentence (which isn't fair but we do live in a soundbite era) I like the cast themselves and have downright loved a few eps but overall the whole is less than the sum of the parts for me this year yet a show that can do anything having a lack of ambition and vision, bar some superb guest writers, is something I take zero joy in saying makes this year a bit flat for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 5:35:40 GMT
Glad you agree with me. It all depends on what you're expecting really. I thought that two-parter relied very heavily on what was already a foregone conclusion. We'd already had Am I a Good Man? explored very thoroughly over the course of the RTD era through the Lonely God angle. Something which relied on an inconsistency with his own companion, Clara, as well. I find it really difficult to believe that a woman who had met every incarnation previous would have such a hard time adjusting to this new Doctor. It's the culminiation of a story arc that doesn't make much character sense for either of them and that's what the story focusses on. A nice idea, but there's no real drama to it. It's very safe.
Well, a very good example specifically for that episode is Flesh and Stone with Eleven steamrolling right over Amy's feelings because he hasn't the time, he needs to solve the problem. This is a nice inverse of that, just what we need after Twelve's penchant for rage. She doesn't waste the energy, she gets right to it and tries to fix the problem; a nice counterbalance to Capaldi's anger. That's a legitimate personality, even for the Doctor, not everyone reacts with outward fire and fury in a crisis situation. Some of the best crisis management has people disregard their upset and focus on the problem instead. What I think this incarnation lacks more than most Doctors over the past couple years is angst. That's a very refreshing change of pace as of 2018. I'm sure in the wake of Tom, Peter (Davison) seemed rather demure too, but his first year still has some really nice stories and really nice character moments.
Given you said "So no judgment here, one way or the other" I'm not really sure how much we're agreeing there. I think you're mistaking what I'm saying about character for the quality of the storytelling being good. I don't care much for Tennant's Doctor at all - but he's got far more facets to him than we've seen of Jodie this year and crucialy did within a comporable number of episodes, so I didn't need to wait too long to draw at least some conclusions on the character as we're suggesting Jodie needs. You can disagree of course with whether what the actors previous in New Who were given was something good, something interesting or something worthwhile but I'm not terribly sure there's much of a way it could be argued that they had more to play than Jodie has. Maybe what they got to play was out of character, or erratic but as characters they at least felt like they had more going on than a very thin surface level. So far Jodie's your pal who gets a bit cross sometimes. She's not drifted far from that summation once in the whole series. You can say the last 13 years had Doctors who were overwritten, absolutely, but I'm saying I think being underwritten is maybe a bigger problem for me - ertainly longer term. Doesn't mean that can't be fixed but I've seen nothing in Chibnall's eps to suggest this so far. The series - and I don't think this is a minority opinion looking at other posts here and elsewhere - has been saved by the guest writers' eps. Credit goes to him for commissioning them, sure, but RTD and Moffat gave us at least one home run, arguably more, in their maiden years. There was more of a sense of a foundation for what comes next than there is here. It's clearly working for some and I'm sure it's only just that the show needed to course correct to ensure it's survival but - and as always I never pretend to speak for anyone else - I'm not sure it couldn't have been done with a bit more depth and more compelling ideas from the man running the show. His star deserves it. Yet week to week nothing has been truly bad (maybe Conundrum) but it kinda feels like that was the goal - aim for the lowest hanging fruit and you'll probably get it. Aim higher and you might fail...but it could taste sweeter. As it stands I've just seem nothing to suggest that Chibnall could - on his best day - give us a Blink, a Midnight, a Journey's End, a Doctor Falls. Before he started we had posters saying "but his eps have all been quite bland" and I'd ALWAYS post "but he was writing mid-season gun for hire works - let's see what he can do with the keys to the kingdom when he's the one getting the marquee eps". Well....not much in S11, sadly. I guess - to put in one reductive sentence (which isn't fair but we do live in a soundbite era): the whole is less than the sum of the parts for me this year. And that's a-okay because... no judgement. That was rather the point.
I was merely recounting facts and memories as I related them. I understand you get protective of the Moffat era (and fair enough), but it wasn't intended as an argument against the merits of anyone else's view, just a contribution to the greater body of evidence. I know it's the internet and that's not typically how the internet works, but in this case, here you go. I honestly think we're in the same boat here, if you'd look at my post here it pretty much covers what I'd like to see improved over this current season. Other than that... *shrug* I liked it, I'm comfortable with that and I'm with you, any improvements would be welcomed with open arms.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 12, 2018 8:46:04 GMT
I give it a solid 8/10 for me my only gripe was it lacked at least one classic villain & the villains we had weren't exactly memorable.
Barring a that a excellent return to form & Jodie proved to this cynical old fart a female Doctor can work, i never thought I'd be saying that 10 weeks ago.
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Post by Tony Jones on Dec 12, 2018 9:10:03 GMT
Following on from my previous post in this thread, I think I’ve figured out a broadcast order I’d have preferred. I’ll add some comments and justifications and post it, if anyone’s interested? Why not? I certainly think Battle of thingy felt more like mid-series. Interesting to compare thoughts
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 12, 2018 9:19:34 GMT
I'll be giving more thoughts about Series 11 in my review for 'Resolution' in 2019. Otherwise, I love Series 11 and Jodie Whittaker has become one of my favourite Doctors. The season itself is pretty good and while it's not perfect I found how much I was enjoying the stories, the characters and the acting throughout. 'Kerblam!' has to be my absolute favourite episode from the season and I consider 'The Woman Who Fell To Earth', 'Rosa', 'Arachnids In The UK' and 'It Takes You Away' to be great stories too. Tim.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 17:29:33 GMT
So, then. Looking back on Series 11 of Doctor Who. I thought, on the whole, it was good, whilst rarely great. Would I like a middling version of the show that gets between 5-6million overnights (a hit in TV terms), or (what I consider to be) a terrific run of stories (I'm a big fan of Peter Capaldi's era) that get a cancellation-teasing 3-4million? For the future prosperity of the show, the former.
The Woman Who Fell to Earth - good. The Ghost Monument - what was that about apart from The Doctor finding the TARDIS? Rosa - very good. Arachnids in the UK - good. The Tsuranga Conundrum - weakest episode for me. Demons of the Punjab - tedious. Kerblam! - very good. The Witchfinders - excellent. It Takes you Away - excellent. The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos - good.
The ambition of the storytelling has been small-scale compared to recent years, and that takes a bit of getting used to. However, this means that whenever the Daleks are next trundled out (or some other memorable monster from the past), the spectacle will be increased - such an event will feel special again, which is not a bad thing.
This year's Big Bad, Tim Shaw, was good, and the actor went to every length he could to make the creature scary and intimidating. But it is true to say I haven't found CC's episodes anywhere near as good as those penned by other authors. If his writer's room is anything to go by then, if he does leave, then the effect won't be as jarring as the departure of a more independent show-runner. If the writing is more organic, then things might even improve.
As for the TARDIS team, I really want Yaz to have more a character; she's potentially great. I love Ryan and Graham and Jodie grows on me throughout (her 'catchphrase' appears to be a variation of 'I love tea/me sonic/wellies' etc, which is silly and appealing). I'd like her to be produced by someone other than CC, though, someone who will really give her something dramatic to do. The stories vastly improved as the series went on, I thought, which is a good sign.
The music by Segun Akinola is, for me, the star of the show, and I'll definitely be getting my hands on the Series 11 soundtrack in January. I might have mentioned this before.
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Post by barnabaslives on Dec 13, 2018 19:03:07 GMT
But it is true to say I haven't found CC's episodes anywhere near as good as those penned by other authors. If his writer's room is anything to go by then, if he does leave, then the effect won't be as jarring as the departure of a more independent show-runner. If the writing is more organic, then things might even improve. As for the TARDIS team, I really want Yaz to have more a character; she's potentially great. I love Ryan and Graham and Jodie grows on me throughout (her 'catchphrase' appears to be a variation of 'I love tea/me sonic/wellies' etc, which is silly and appealing). I'd like her to be produced by someone other than CC, though, someone who will really give her something dramatic to do. The stories vastly improved as the series went on, I thought, which is a good sign. I think perhaps I'd prefer Chibnall to produce and others to write, being these are where I think the strengths were most dramatically in evidence this past season. I dunno, maybe it isn't completely realistic to expect someone to do a truly great job both writing and producing, probably having other things going on as well? Maybe that isn't really fair to Chibnall, I do think he's done an outstanding job as showrunner, and I can see where certain story elements might be at risk of seeming bland simply in contrast to the penchant for over-the-top bombast of his predecessors. I'm counting restraint as one of Chibnall's strengths, actually - I'm quite impressed he's given us another delightfully animated and chatty Doctor without being excessive about it, this was the very first season of the New Series where not once was I tempted to say to The Doctor "Oh, would you please just shut up and save the day now?" :-) I wish the finale hadn't gone back in the worst way on The Doctor's attitude toward weapons, I'd started taking that as a likable trademark of this Doctor in lieu of something like jelly babies or celery, but I do think The Doctor has otherwise been wonderfully consistent. (Maybe the script editors aren't as quick to point stuff out to the writer if they're also the producer? I'd have called him on it, certainly) :-) I think I'm in pretty good agreement with your episode ratings except I rate Demons as being among the season's excellent stories. (A couple of weeks ago I went back and raised my rating of Arachnids on account of The Doctor being "President of the World," I think I enjoy some of the scenes much more if I stop to think back to Twelve boasting that title. I'm kind of glad it was more of a do-it-yourself thing for the viewer rather than Thirteen bragging about it, but it did somehow go over my head the first time. I guess that's kind of fitting, even for being the only episode of the season that seemed to hold zero surprises for me, I have to concede that Arachnids seemed an extremely skillful and thought-provoking pastiche of different elements). I do think that perhaps too much of the human drama indeed landed on Ryan and Graham this season (I think maybe this in itself starts to create expectations there should be comparable drama going on with other lead characters?), but I liked it in the final episode when Yaz and The Doctor had a bit of an "on the same wavelength/great minds think alike" moment about the neural thingies. It seems very flattering to Yaz to have that happen (and a refreshing change from the idea of The Doctor thinking thoughts that would make the heads of mere Earthlings catch fire) and I can't quite place it exactly but I don't think it's the first time it's happened this season? Not quite the same as Yaz getting more lines or screen time or dramatic focus, but I enjoyed it.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 13, 2018 22:20:55 GMT
Ok my ranking from Best to least liked.
1. Rosa
2. It Takes you Away
3. Arachnids in the UK
4. Demons of the Punjab
5. Kerblam
6.The Womem who Fell to Earth
7. Resolution of the Dalek (only for the "Blue Peter" Dalek, Nick Briggs and the Grahame, Ryan, and Rayan's Dad stuff)
8. Battle of Ranskoorr Av Kolos
9. The Ghost Monument
10.The Witchfinders
11. The Tsuranga Conundrum
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 22:34:21 GMT
It was refreshing to spend so little time in the TARDIS interior. Yeah, I really enjoyed the SG-1-style introductions of some episodes. It was a particular talent of that show to say: "You know the drill, folks, we've dropped in mere moments before it's all about to get interesting." Ok my ranking from Best to least liked. 1. Rosa 2. It Takes you Away 3. Archids in the UK 4. Deamons of the Punjab 5. Kerblam 6.The Womem who Fell to Earth 7. Battle of Ranskoorr Av Kolos 8. The Ghost Monument 9.The Whitchfinders10. The Tsuranga Conundrum Regards mark687 I'm so sorry, but I saw the list and the thought just popped into my head about the inevitable "To which Witch are you referring?" when it comes to Finders or Hunters. I know, I know, up onto the plank I go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 22:52:01 GMT
It was refreshing to spend so little time in the TARDIS interior. Yeah, I really enjoyed the SG-1-style introductions of some episodes. It was a particular talent of that show to say: "You know the drill, folks, we've dropped in mere moments before it's all about to get interesting." Ok my ranking from Best to least liked. 1. Rosa 2. It Takes you Away 3. Archids in the UK 4. Deamons of the Punjab 5. Kerblam 6.The Womem who Fell to Earth 7. Battle of Ranskoorr Av Kolos 8. The Ghost Monument 9.The Whitchfinders10. The Tsuranga Conundrum Regards mark687 I'm so sorry, but I saw the list and the thought just popped into my head about the inevitable "To which Witch are you referring?" when it comes to Finders or Hunters. I know, I know, up onto the plank I go. Haha. Quite a few spelling mistakes apart from that one.
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Post by eric009 on Dec 15, 2018 10:05:10 GMT
Capaldi ERA never like it i waited abit before buying the dvd/blue ray any of the other doctors pre order every time and pre order season 11 only i do not like is sonic screwdriver it just does not look right at all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 10:45:20 GMT
What do we think of the new TARDIS interior? I still feel we haven't had a proper look at it, and maybe there is a reason for that. The wobbly console looks terrible!
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Post by mark687 on Dec 15, 2018 11:09:17 GMT
What do we think of the new TARDIS interior? I still feel we haven't had a proper look at it, and maybe there is a reason for that. The wobbly console looks terrible! Also not a fan of it.
For the first time it looks smaller on the inside, and the only way a sense of space is attempted is to have the back walls slightly off a fuzzy focus.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 15, 2018 11:29:43 GMT
What do we think of the new TARDIS interior? I still feel we haven't had a proper look at it, and maybe there is a reason for that. The wobbly console looks terrible! Still not a fan. The crystal time rotor looks almost comical when it’s moving and the room’s lighting and the way it’s been shot so far has made it seem really small.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 15, 2018 11:46:32 GMT
I left off for a few days, since I like a bit of distance before reaching a conclusion.
After years of pretense and story arcs of varying degrees of convolution, it was refeshing to watch something more standalone and honest. The series' ethos is basically an expansion of one scene from Dinsaurs on a Spaceship: the Doctor geeking out at seeing, well, dinosaurs on a spaceship: that naked joy, that simple glee at adventuring the universe and seeing what it can offer... because the Doctor loves that. It expands on the strengths of Series 10 in that renewed focus on character, as well as trying to keep stakes more relative to the story's needs.It also brings over Smile's big strength of allowing us time to explore the environments and feel like we're there, adventuring with the Doctor.
Jodie and the team are great: while Yaz has gotten the least focus, I never had a problem being able to define who they were and how they would each react to a different situation (more than can be said for Clara). While I concede to the point that yes, there is still work to be done with 13, I wouldn't say I ddin't 'get her' or felt she was just repeating 10 or 11. There's an earnestness there that the more shrouded, more injured other two didn't always have, as well as just being straight up cute and adorable.
However, there are complaints to be had: being arc-less worked for the first half, but after a while, it did feel like there was a lack of momentum that even the renewed focus on character couldn't quite compensate for. Yes expostion, yes mostly humanoid villains and aliens, yes Arachnids and Kerblam's endings were a bit headscratching, yes Perrot is the weakest director the group. Shame as she was the one I was really rooting for, but it's clear genre's just not her bag.
Overall, while probably the all-around most consistent season since S5, I'd say it about equals with S10 in entertainment value, counterbalancing its strengths and weaknesses. A good springboard for the future.
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Post by theotherjosh on Dec 15, 2018 23:34:00 GMT
Although I was occasionally critical of individual episodes I quite liked it overall. I feel like all the pieces are present and they just need to be assembled properly.
My observations aren't anything that hasn't already been said: Jodie and Bradley were good, Yaz didn't have much to do in most episodes, villains were not memorable, Chinball is not as strong a writer as others the series has seen, the series works better with some kind of arc across the season. If this had been the first season of an entirely new program then I think I would be interested enough to return next season.
Although the baddies have been pretty weak I'm willing to withhold judgment. No one knew what the Daleks would become when they debuted. If a couple misfires is the price we have to pay in the search for the next iconic baddie, then so be it.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Dec 16, 2018 12:24:16 GMT
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