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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 21, 2019 8:25:52 GMT
I think we've been having this debate since the old forum! You always say Full Fathom Five is morally wrong and has an out of character Doctor, then I say yep...that's kinda the point of the story! It all hinges on this Doctor being willing to do what our ones wouldn't, that doesn't mean you have to like the story of course but using that as a stick to beat it with doesn't hold much water when it's 100% intentionall. Where's the Unbound-ness without it? I haven’t heard this one but i should as it sounds how i may have thought the War Doctor should have been.I wont read about it but will give it a shot The War Doctor is remorseful & kinda hates having to make sacrifices for the greater good but the Unbound Doctor in Full Fathom Five clearly relishes cold blooded murder you might as well call him Master.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 8:50:58 GMT
I haven’t heard this one but i should as it sounds how i may have thought the War Doctor should have been.I wont read about it but will give it a shot The War Doctor is remorseful & kinda hates having to make sacrifices for the greater good but the Unbound Doctor in Full Fathom Five clearly relishes cold blooded murder you might as well call him Master. Or Valeyard. David Collings is on point here, though, he's got this wonderful performance where we're lulled into the Doctorish traits we expect. He's got that moral outrage, that sense of justice, but you get the sense that this is the man who Ian didn't stop from smashing in a man's skull with a rock. Rather nastily, he's developed a taste for it. It's interesting to wonder where exactly this incarnation came from. Is he the product of a cataclysm that completely broke him? Brought him around to his enemies' way of thinking? Something from his past or a regeneration that went so catastrophically wrong as to alter his core personality?
I think the Full Fathom Five Doctor is the incarnation that would turn up on just the wrong day, under just the wrong circumstances. A bruised, battered and defeated Doctor up against an enemy gloating about the superiority of their own ideology, who -- in that moment -- does what no other adversary has been able to do. Change his mind. Have him commit to it. Say to something like the Daleks or the Cybermen: "You were right." That is creepy as all hell.
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Post by dannybl on Jan 21, 2019 10:39:09 GMT
Sympathy For The Devil still stands up. Plus Nick Courtney got to add another Doctor onto his list!
The Bayldon ones are vastly underrated I feel. they give you that nostalgia for the First Doctor era but is as well something quite different. Bayldon's Doctor is his own but written with a hint of Hartnell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 11:06:19 GMT
To be honest I liked them all, apart from Exile. So seven good releases and one bad release from the eight Unbound Doctor Who stories isn't a bad ratio. They were supposed to be different Doctor Who stories from the norm and the majority of them did have something interesting to offer in one way or another. The great thing about the Doctor Who Unbound range was, if we didn't like any of the stories they didn't count anyway as they were 'unbound'!
(I'm not sure I'd consider any of the Unbound stories actual classics, but good, very good or great wasn't an option in the poll here. So I voted my favourite ones as 'classics', even though they are not at that level in reality.)
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 21, 2019 11:50:43 GMT
The War Doctor is remorseful & kinda hates having to make sacrifices for the greater good but the Unbound Doctor in Full Fathom Five clearly relishes cold blooded murder you might as well call him Master. Or Valeyard. David Collings is on point here, though, he's got this wonderful performance where we're lulled into the Doctorish traits we expect. He's got that moral outrage, that sense of justice, but you get the sense that this is the man who Ian didn't stop from smashing in a man's skull with a rock. Rather nastily, he's developed a taste for it. It's interesting to wonder where exactly this incarnation came from. Is he the product of a cataclysm that completely broke him? Brought him around to his enemies' way of thinking? Something from his past or a regeneration that went so catastrophically wrong as to alter his core personality?
I think the Full Fathom Five Doctor is the incarnation that would turn up on just the wrong day, under just the wrong circumstances. A bruised, battered and defeated Doctor up against an enemy gloating about the superiority of their own ideology, who -- in that moment -- does what no other adversary has been able to do. Change his mind. Have him commit to it. Say to something like the Daleks or the Cybermen: "You were right." That is creepy as all hell.
That's a very valid point raised, yes that scene were the Doctor was going to smash the injured man's skull in was quite shocking there is certainly darkness in the Doctor as Donna said she thinks the Doctor needs somebody to stop him. i just found this particular audio left bad taste especially how it affects his companions behaviour in the climax.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 12:26:59 GMT
Or Valeyard. David Collings is on point here, though, he's got this wonderful performance where we're lulled into the Doctorish traits we expect. He's got that moral outrage, that sense of justice, but you get the sense that this is the man who Ian didn't stop from smashing in a man's skull with a rock. Rather nastily, he's developed a taste for it. It's interesting to wonder where exactly this incarnation came from. Is he the product of a cataclysm that completely broke him? Brought him around to his enemies' way of thinking? Something from his past or a regeneration that went so catastrophically wrong as to alter his core personality?
I think the Full Fathom Five Doctor is the incarnation that would turn up on just the wrong day, under just the wrong circumstances. A bruised, battered and defeated Doctor up against an enemy gloating about the superiority of their own ideology, who -- in that moment -- does what no other adversary has been able to do. Change his mind. Have him commit to it. Say to something like the Daleks or the Cybermen: "You were right." That is creepy as all hell.
That's a very valid point raised, yes that scene were the Doctor was going to smash the injured man's skull in was quite shocking there is certainly darkness in the Doctor as Donna said she thinks the Doctor needs somebody to stop him. i just found this particular audio left bad taste especially how it affects his companions behaviour in the climax. Yeah, that's fair. My favourite of the Unbounds is A Storm of Angels, I adore the angels themselves, how they manifest from the stones gathered aboard the Hind. The sound design is so good. And the story is a top-notch inversion of an age-old maxim: "We do not change history. Not one line." Sympathy, Masters, and Mortality all come in very close behind it, mere milimetres away, but Storm is wonderful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:05:07 GMT
My fave Unbound memory is listening to Sympathy For The Devil on my CD Walkman (!) and bursting out laughing when Warner says "What's puzzling me...is the nature of his game". I'd love more BF to have pop culture references like that. I was not expecting, even with that title, the audio to quote the Stones verbatim. I think there were a few other references to the song to, didn't The Master do the "Please allow me to introduce myself..." bit as well?
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 21, 2019 15:14:56 GMT
Or Valeyard. David Collings is on point here, though, he's got this wonderful performance where we're lulled into the Doctorish traits we expect. He's got that moral outrage, that sense of justice, but you get the sense that this is the man who Ian didn't stop from smashing in a man's skull with a rock. Rather nastily, he's developed a taste for it. It's interesting to wonder where exactly this incarnation came from. Is he the product of a cataclysm that completely broke him? Brought him around to his enemies' way of thinking? Something from his past or a regeneration that went so catastrophically wrong as to alter his core personality?
I think the Full Fathom Five Doctor is the incarnation that would turn up on just the wrong day, under just the wrong circumstances. A bruised, battered and defeated Doctor up against an enemy gloating about the superiority of their own ideology, who -- in that moment -- does what no other adversary has been able to do. Change his mind. Have him commit to it. Say to something like the Daleks or the Cybermen: "You were right." That is creepy as all hell.
That's a very valid point raised, yes that scene were the Doctor was going to smash the injured man's skull in was quite shocking there is certainly darkness in the Doctor as Donna said she thinks the Doctor needs somebody to stop him. i just found this particular audio left bad taste especially how it affects his companions behaviour in the climax. The Doctor has been exiled to a backwater planet and he loses his TARDIS. All throughout the Pertwee years the one thing that held The Doctor together was the fact that he was able to tinker with his TARDIS and go on occasional missions for the time lords. He had a purpose, a reason to go on, even if it never worked out. This Doctor has been denied that purpose: he has no drive, no link with the life he used to have. While a decade or two isn't long in the life of a time lord, for the Doctor, who thrives on the novelty of new places, it might just be enough to push him over the edge a little. The fact that it happens while he maintains a charming, urbane facade makes it all the more horrifying.
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