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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jan 24, 2019 21:53:16 GMT
Please put performers who play the master in order.
Cheers.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 24, 2019 21:57:01 GMT
James Dreyfus Roger Delgado Peter Pratt Geoffrey Beevers Anthony Ainley Geoffrey Beevers Gordon Tipple Eric Roberts Geoffrey Beevers Alex Macqueen Derek Jacobi John Simm Michelle Gomez
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Post by constonks on Jan 24, 2019 23:28:40 GMT
James Dreyfus Roger Delgado Peter Pratt Geoffrey Beevers Anthony Ainley Geoffrey Beevers Gordon Tipple Eric Roberts Geoffrey Beevers Alex Macqueen Derek Jacobi John Simm Michelle Gomez And if you really want to get crazy with your Geoffrey Beeverses, put one between Delgado and Pratt for his appearance in The Two Masters.
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 25, 2019 0:02:35 GMT
James Dreyfus Roger Delgado Peter Pratt Geoffrey Beevers Anthony Ainley Geoffrey Beevers Gordon Tipple Eric Roberts Geoffrey Beevers Alex Macqueen Derek Jacobi John Simm Michelle Gomez And if you really want to get crazy with your Geoffrey Beeverses, put one between Delgado and Pratt for his appearance in The Two Masters. Isn't it now generally accepted that Pratt and Beevers are one and the same? (No doubt the season 14 blu ray will have as a special feature Beevers overdubbing Pratt on Deadly assasin) On a another note, please close this thread down quickly before Magnus Magister gets wind of it and decides to join in!
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Post by Digi on Jan 25, 2019 0:08:39 GMT
In my mind, we go... - The child we see in flashback in "The Sound of Drums"
- Svengali Master (Delgado)
- Crispy Master (Pratt/Beevers)
- Tremas Master (Ainley)
- Crispy Master again (Beevers in "Dust Breeding" and "Master")
- "Old Master" who's executed by the Daleks (Tipple)
- Bruce Master (Roberts)
- Crispy / Bruce ("Mastermind" and "The Lifeboat and the Deathboat" appear to be in conflict here)
- Bald Master (Macqueen)
- War Master (Jacobi)
- Harold Saxon Master (Simm)
- Missy (Gomez)
I omit Dreyfus not out of any malice, but simply because I choose to enjoy the First Doctor Adventures (and I do really enjoy them) as an alternate take on that era, rather than as entries into the 'official' chronology. And in poking around online while making sure I had my chronology right (so far as I can tell), I was shocked to learn that the kid who played the child Master in "The Sound of Drums" died last summer -- apparently he committed suicide, aged just 20.
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Post by constonks on Jan 25, 2019 0:42:05 GMT
And if you really want to get crazy with your Geoffrey Beeverses, put one between Delgado and Pratt for his appearance in The Two Masters. Isn't it now generally accepted that Pratt and Beevers are one and the same? (No doubt the season 14 blu ray will have as a special feature Beevers overdubbing Pratt on Deadly assasin) Absolutely, but Tin Dog said "performers" not "Masters" - I definitely refer to the Crispy Master as "Pratt-Beevers" like it's his name. Oh no, you're right, we forgot Edward Brayshaw!
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Post by masterdoctor on Jan 25, 2019 2:16:11 GMT
In my mind, we go... - The child we see in flashback in "The Sound of Drums"
- Svengali Master (Delgado)
- Crispy Master (Pratt/Beevers)
- Tremas Master (Ainley)
- Crispy Master again (Beevers in "Dust Breeding" and "Master")
- "Old Master" who's executed by the Daleks (Tipple)
- Bruce Master (Roberts)
- Crispy / Bruce ("Mastermind" and "The Lifeboat and the Deathboat" appear to be in conflict here)
- Bald Master (Macqueen)
- War Master (Jacobi)
- Harold Saxon Master (Simm)
- Missy (Gomez)
I omit Dreyfus not out of any malice, but simply because I choose to enjoy the First Doctor Adventures (and I do really enjoy them) as an alternate take on that era, rather than as entries into the 'official' chronology. And in poking around online while making sure I had my chronology right (so far as I can tell), I was shocked to learn that the kid who played the child Master in "The Sound of Drums" died last summer -- apparently he committed suicide, aged just 20. That might change as Dreyfus recorded something with Tom Baker so he will most likely the canonical first.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Feb 5, 2019 21:02:32 GMT
Scott Handcock suggests on the River Song 5 thread that the Bruce Master of 'The Lifeboat and the Deathboat' is a splinter of the original and so there might be no conflict with 'Mastermind' - but rather a potential other Master running around!
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 5, 2019 23:06:15 GMT
Scott Handcock suggests on the River Song 5 thread that the Bruce Master of 'The Lifeboat and the Deathboat' is a splinter of the original and so there might be no conflict with 'Mastermind' - but rather a potential other Master running around! To be fair though, that was kind of a thing that the writers came up with as soon as people started pointing out the contradiction.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Feb 6, 2019 10:38:56 GMT
So we could end up with 2 versions of Bruce
Now that coukd be a fun story.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Feb 6, 2019 17:27:58 GMT
So we could end up with 2 versions of Bruce Now that coukd be a fun story. "Two Versions of Bruce" - In my head, this is now an Australian sit-com spin-off with Eric Roberts in dual roles.
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Post by CookieMaster on Feb 6, 2019 17:40:11 GMT
Wait so, if we were to accept the idea of a 'split', rather than my preferred 'Glorious Dead' solution, does that mean that MacQueen could potentially be a product of either Master? And still be out there as a contemporary of Jacobi, Simm and Gomez?
After all, he did say he was "Rescued" (from the Time Vortex?)
And Simm (inc Jacobi and Missy), was "Ressurected"
I think I've gone too far, I must be stopped...
(Btw, has any of the Jacobi stories referenced the MacQueen master?)
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Post by Digi on Feb 6, 2019 17:45:12 GMT
I am very intrigued by the idea of two concurrent/legitimate versions of the Master running around out there, but I feel I should also be a bit of a wet blanket before everyone gets too excited — Scott’s post was clearly ‘thinking aloud,’ and not a definitive statement of Big Finish canon.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Feb 7, 2019 2:32:37 GMT
I am very intrigued by the idea of two concurrent/legitimate versions of the Master running around out there, but I feel I should also be a bit of a wet blanket before everyone gets too excited — Scott’s post was clearly ‘thinking aloud,’ and not a definitive statement of Big Finish canon. It's a fun statement, and though I'd love it to be true (Because we already have McDoctor), the Occam's razor of the facts is that The Beevor's Master is simply a (very) unreliable narrator in Mastermind. Just substitute in "You look nervous...Is it the scars? You wanna know how I got 'em?"
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Post by glutamodo on Feb 7, 2019 4:00:18 GMT
As someone who really likes the MacQueen Master I've actually not tried too hard to figure out where he (and some of the others) slot in for a couple reasons. First, the whole Master timeline sort of makes my brain hurt, and the other reason is that if MacQueen was directly explained, it might cap it off in some way that would prevent them from using that actor/incarnation any more.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 7, 2019 12:46:10 GMT
I am very intrigued by the idea of two concurrent/legitimate versions of the Master running around out there, but I feel I should also be a bit of a wet blanket before everyone gets too excited — Scott’s post was clearly ‘thinking aloud,’ and not a definitive statement of Big Finish canon. It's a fun statement, and though I'd love it to be true (Because we already have McDoctor), the Occam's razor of the facts is that The Beevor's Master is simply a (very) unreliable narrator in Mastermind. Just substitute in "You look nervous...Is it the scars? You wanna know how I got 'em?" The actual escape, which Beevers glossed over in Mastermind, already exists as a separate short trip that isn’t narrated by the Master.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Feb 7, 2019 13:28:27 GMT
It's a fun statement, and though I'd love it to be true (Because we already have McDoctor), the Occam's razor of the facts is that The Beevor's Master is simply a (very) unreliable narrator in Mastermind. Just substitute in "You look nervous...Is it the scars? You wanna know how I got 'em?" The actual escape, which Beevers glossed over in Mastermind, already exists as a separate short trip that isn’t narrated by the Master. Which one is that?
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Post by mark687 on Feb 7, 2019 13:37:17 GMT
The actual escape, which Beevers glossed over in Mastermind, already exists as a separate short trip that isn’t narrated by the Master. Which one is that? I think the bookend stories in the Short Trip Book The Centurion.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 7, 2019 13:51:43 GMT
I think the bookend stories in the Short Trip Book The Centurion.
Regards
mark687
Yeah it’s called Forgotten and it concludes a whole storyline that runs throughout the book between the Doctor and a man called Edward Grainger. Edward is the man that ends up releasing the Master from the Eye of Harmony in Forgotten, this is referenced in Mastermind and then the story the Master tells in Mastermind picks up right where Forgotten left off. So you could assume that Beevers was lying but it’s pointless because there’s already a story where he escapes that leads into his Mastermind story that isn’t narrated by him and if you assume that story is just another made up one, then it wipes away the concluding chapter of a story about a whole different character.
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Post by Digi on Feb 7, 2019 13:51:47 GMT
Oh, ehh. Doesn’t count in my head canon, then.
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