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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 7:17:53 GMT
Oh, I understand the production side of things, but I'm curious -- from a narrative perspective -- why this hasn't been attempted in main canon Who before. What do people think could be the potential merits or drawbacks of swapping out your main lead before the story is done? What opportunities does it unlock and what limits does it impose?
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Feb 7, 2019 7:43:00 GMT
That would shake things up awesomely! Be a total secret.. the week of "speculation" then bammo a new Timelord!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 7, 2019 8:29:15 GMT
OHH I’d do it in an Agatha Christie inspired story, have the Doctor as the first victim, not having any companions who are aware of regeneration and then introduce a few extra characters, any of whom could be the new Doctor.
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 7, 2019 8:33:17 GMT
Oh, I understand the production side of things, but I'm curious -- from a narrative perspective -- why this hasn't been attempted in main canon Who before. What do people think could be the potential merits or drawbacks of swapping out your main lead before the story is done? What opportunities does it unlock and what limits does it impose? Good question. I read something years ago that when Virgin thought about regenerating the Dr they thought about doing it this way. Never happened because the beeb wouldn't allow them.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 7, 2019 8:33:40 GMT
OHH I’d do it in an Agatha Christie inspired story, have the Doctor as the first victim, not having any companions who are aware of regeneration and then introduce a few extra characters, any of whom could be the new Doctor. I like this idea
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 7, 2019 8:55:50 GMT
OHH I’d do it in an Agatha Christie inspired story, have the Doctor as the first victim, not having any companions who are aware of regeneration and then introduce a few extra characters, any of whom could be the new Doctor. Andvthe surprise twist is “timely-wimey”, the Doctor was there all along, disguised as a Valet.
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 7, 2019 9:20:35 GMT
Would you count the Tennant/ Tennant regeneration in the series 4 finale as one? What about Baker/ Davison given that they had just foiled the Master but he wasn't finished with them?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:36:34 GMT
Would you count the Tennant/ Tennant regeneration in the series 4 finale as one? No, that doesn't count... but it came in handy for that story!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:53:28 GMT
Would be an interesting idea. I would like to see a new style of regeneration. The Watcher for me was the best so far. I would like a story where the Doctor teams up with a one off companion for an epic adventure, not until the end is it revealed that the companion is actually the next Doctor!
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Post by mark687 on Feb 7, 2019 12:59:09 GMT
Would you count the Tennant/ Tennant regeneration in the series 4 finale as one? No, that doesn't count... but it came in handy for that story!
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Post by Digi on Feb 7, 2019 15:14:14 GMT
Production/actor contract reasons aside, I just don't think it would work as a story. Given what we've seen of regeneration, there's a period shortly afterward where the Doctor is frazzled and confused, sometimes simply unconscious, and besides that, has to discover who they are now that they're in a new body.
In terms of telling a story, it would be a disaster to try to stick that in the middle. You'd lose all dramatic urgency just as you're ratcheting it up, and you'd have to completely change the focus of the story halfway through telling a differently-focused story. It just wouldn't work.
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Post by constonks on Feb 7, 2019 16:02:45 GMT
Production/actor contract reasons aside, I just don't think it would work as a story. Given what we've seen of regeneration, there's a period shortly afterward where the Doctor is frazzled and confused, sometimes simply unconscious, and besides that, has to discover who they are now that they're in a new body. In terms of telling a story, it would be a disaster to try to stick that in the middle. You'd lose all dramatic urgency just as you're ratcheting it up, and you'd have to completely change the focus of the story halfway through telling a differently-focused story. It just wouldn't work. Eh, regeneration isn't always the same though. Sometimes the Doctor is up and running pretty quickly, sometimes the Doctor is out for twenty four hours. I've thought about this before and I thought it would be cool to have the fatal blow in the previous episode, the Doctor tries to hold back the regeneration to solve the new mystery, gets shot or fails to hold it back, then regenerates two-thirds of the way through the episode. The new Doctor keeps the post-regeneration wobblies at bay, solves the crisis and then falls over, exhausted. The third episode in the set is a little more Castrovalva, with the Doctor seeking relaxation. Although admittedly I thought of this before the Capaldi held back his regeneration for an episode or two and Matt Smith took forever to reset. (Also technically, this happened to Sylvester McCoy...)
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 7, 2019 22:32:45 GMT
Would you count the Tennant/ Tennant regeneration in the series 4 finale as one? No, that doesn't count... but it came in handy for that story! 😂 I see what you did there... but as of Time Of The Doctor it did count.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 0:11:24 GMT
No, that doesn't count... but as of Time Of The Doctor it did count. Well, you asked did we count the Tennant/Tennant regeneration, followed by a question mark. So my answer is, I don't count it as a proper regeneration! I couldn't give a damn about any mumbo jumbo explanation in Time of the Doctor. For me it's not a proper regeneration for this discussion.
It would have been great - and a very big shock - if RTD had regenerated Doctor #10 in to Doctor #11 in the middle of that story though!
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Post by constonks on Feb 8, 2019 4:49:35 GMT
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Post by Hieronymus on Feb 8, 2019 4:55:21 GMT
Would you count the Tennant/ Tennant regeneration in the series 4 finale as one? No, that doesn't count... but it came in handy for that story! Did you see the Catherine Tate interview on Graham Norton that happened in the time between the first and second episode? Everyone was in a panic. Graham asked Catherine Tate whether the Doctor was regenerating, to which she replied that she was permitted to say "yes" but couldn't reveal more.
Remember also that we'd had a buildup for several stories prior over Rose's possible return. Then, at the moment the Doctor sees Rose and runs towards her, is when the Dcotr goes down and the regeneration starts.
Epic "the-Doctor-is-regenerating" cliffhanger before the next episode of the story.
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Post by Hieronymus on Feb 8, 2019 5:02:19 GMT
Although admittedly I thought of this before the Capaldi held back his regeneration for an episode or two and Matt Smith took forever to reset. Pertwee is fatally dosed with radiation, gets lost in the Vortex, and collapses on his return to fade peacefully into Tom Baker.
Tennant is fatally dosed with radiation, bounces back, then manages to visit all his previous companions, their relatives, his friends, some Ood, and probably have a whole season's worth of travels we didn't see, before erupting violently inside the Tardis.
Post-McCoy regeneration is more prolonged and showy than it was for previous Doctors.
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Post by constonks on Feb 8, 2019 5:19:06 GMT
Although admittedly I thought of this before the Capaldi held back his regeneration for an episode or two and Matt Smith took forever to reset. Pertwee is fatally dosed with radiation, gets lost in the Vortex, and collapses on his return to fade peacefully into Tom Baker. Tennant is fatally dosed with radiation, bounces back, then manages to visit all his previous companions, their relatives, his friends, some Ood, and probably have a whole season's worth of travels we didn't see, before erupting violently inside the Tardis. Post-McCoy regeneration is more prolonged and showy than it was for previous Doctors.
Oh, yeah, I wasn't saying Matt Smith was the first one to take forever to die, it just seems like it *always* happens now. I hope when Jodie goes, she goes like Eccleston, short speech and out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 11:20:22 GMT
Did you see the Catherine Tate interview on Graham Norton that happened in the time between the first and second episode? Everyone was in a panic. Graham asked Catherine Tate whether the Doctor was regenerating, to which she replied that she was permitted to say "yes" but couldn't reveal more. Epic "the-Doctor-is-regenerating" cliffhanger before the next episode of the story.
No, I didn't see the Catherine Tate interview but I did remember thinking, WTF?!!! Is David Tennant going?! I hadn't a clue what was going to happen. So yeah, an epic cliffhanger to that episode ( The Stolen Earth) for sure.
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 8, 2019 11:36:26 GMT
Although admittedly I thought of this before the Capaldi held back his regeneration for an episode or two and Matt Smith took forever to reset. Pertwee is fatally dosed with radiation, gets lost in the Vortex, and collapses on his return to fade peacefully into Tom Baker.
Tennant is fatally dosed with radiation, bounces back, then manages to visit all his previous companions, their relatives, his friends, some Ood, and probably have a whole season's worth of travels we didn't see, before erupting violently inside the Tardis.
Post-McCoy regeneration is more prolonged and showy than it was for previous Doctors.
if you believe the Love and War novel, Three was in the vortex 10 years
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