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Post by redsharkJason on Apr 4, 2019 18:53:23 GMT
I'm finally gonna come out and say it. The Ann twist was a crock of bull and totally wasted a great character in service of making a bad Dalek Masterplan sequel out of nowhere. An extremely rare Dorney misstep makes it hurt even more. Needless to say, I didn't like it. Series 8 struck my fancy by being a fun romp. After the first few episodes of Ann being perhaps a non-distinctive (generic) companion, I ended up particularly enjoying both of her good and bad personas. As for a Dorney misstep - Nope! I LOVED The Perfect Prisoners more so than his Series 7 penned 2-part story.
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Post by fingersmash on Apr 4, 2019 18:58:24 GMT
I'm finally gonna come out and say it. The Ann twist was a crock of bull and totally wasted a great character in service of making a bad Dalek Masterplan sequel out of nowhere. An extremely rare Dorney misstep makes it hurt even more. Needless to say, I didn't like it. I liked it quite a bit - some great stories, in my opinion - but I'm pretty sure I do agree about Ann, she was doing great as her own character without the twist. I'm finally gonna come out and say it. The Ann twist was a crock of bull and totally wasted a great character in service of making a bad Dalek Masterplan sequel out of nowhere. An extremely rare Dorney misstep makes it hurt even more. Needless to say, I didn't like it. Series 8 struck my fancy by being a fun romp. After the first few episodes of Ann being perhaps a non-distinctive (generic) companion, I ended up particularly enjoying both of her good and bad personas. As for a Dorney misstep - Nope! I LOVED The Perfect Prisoners more so than his Series 7 penned 2-part story. Maybe I need to relisten with fresh ears but Ann just left an awful taste in my mouth and the fact the whole thing winds up a sequel to a story no one's seen in 52 years and I'm sure will probably never be found just colors it really poorly in my eyes, especially after they did it so well with the Sarah Kingdom Companion Chronicles
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 19:24:54 GMT
Yep! This was the most annoying aspect for me. How am I supposed to care about the big twists. They were related to characters that no one had seen for half a century? The worst kind of fanfic. If I had bought physical copies they would be straight on ebay! The worst series of 4th Doctor audio dramas I have ever listened to!
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Post by fingersmash on Apr 4, 2019 19:29:32 GMT
Yep! This was the most annoying aspect for me. How am I supposed to care about the big twists. They were related to characters that no one had seen for half a century? The worst kind of fanfic. If I had bought physical copies they would be straight on ebay! The worst series of 4th Doctor audio dramas I have ever listened to! It's exactly what the skeptics think when they hear "Doctor Who Audio Dramas with the original actors"
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Post by redsharkJason on Apr 4, 2019 20:18:26 GMT
Maybe I need to relisten with fresh ears but Ann just left an awful taste in my mouth and the fact the whole thing winds up a sequel to a story no one's seen in 52 years and I'm sure will probably never be found just colors it really poorly in my eyes, especially after they did it so well with the Sarah Kingdom Companion Chronicles I can fathom that if you went into it expecting a direct "sequel" (don't get hung-up on it being a serious attempt continuation) to the mystical Daleks' Master Plan then there could be some disappointment. Treat it more as a farcical homage to James Bond within the mad surroundings of the Fourth Doctor...as I think it was intended.
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Post by fingersmash on Apr 4, 2019 21:04:43 GMT
Maybe I need to relisten with fresh ears but Ann just left an awful taste in my mouth and the fact the whole thing winds up a sequel to a story no one's seen in 52 years and I'm sure will probably never be found just colors it really poorly in my eyes, especially after they did it so well with the Sarah Kingdom Companion Chronicles I can fathom that if you went into it expecting a direct "sequel" (don't get hung-up on it being a serious attempt continuation) to the mystical Daleks' Master Plan then there could be some disappointment. Treat it more as a farcical homage to James Bond within the mad surroundings of the Fourth Doctor...as I think it was intended. I wasn't expecting a Dalek Masterplan sequel at all. I was expecting the Doctor to have fun with his new friend for 6 adventures in time and space and I got a dull Dalek Masterplan sequel with maybe a cheeky wink to the Dalek Masterplan in the title. It's really stupid for me to be this worked up about it but I can't get rid of the awful taste this series left in my mouth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 21:11:02 GMT
I can fathom that if you went into it expecting a direct "sequel" (don't get hung-up on it being a serious attempt continuation) to the mystical Daleks' Master Plan then there could be some disappointment. Treat it more as a farcical homage to James Bond within the mad surroundings of the Fourth Doctor...as I think it was intended. I wasn't expecting a Dalek Masterplan sequel at all. I was expecting the Doctor to have fun with his new friend for 6 adventures in time and space and I got a dull Dalek Masterplan sequel with maybe a cheeky wink to the Dalek Masterplan in the title. It's really stupid for me to be this worked up about it but I can't get rid of the awful taste this series left in my mouth. We're on the same page. I don't know anything about Dalek Masterplan. It was only when the big reveal of a character at the end of a cliffhanger made me shrug my shoulders & I had to search to find out who they were that I started reading about it. Then more related characters started turning up! To make it even worse the Dalek Masterplan doesn't exist anymore! Should I have to read through wikipedia pages to enjoy this series of 4th Doctor adventures? Seems like one of the most bizarre ideas ever for BF.
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 4, 2019 21:59:39 GMT
I'm finally gonna come out and say it. The Ann twist was a crock of bull and totally wasted a great character in service of making a bad Dalek Masterplan sequel out of nowhere. An extremely rare Dorney misstep makes it hurt even more. Needless to say, I didn't like it. Well, I disagree but it's always nice to get a dissenting voice
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Post by dorney on Apr 5, 2019 14:44:17 GMT
I wasn't expecting a Dalek Masterplan sequel at all. I was expecting the Doctor to have fun with his new friend for 6 adventures in time and space and I got a dull Dalek Masterplan sequel with maybe a cheeky wink to the Dalek Masterplan in the title. It's really stupid for me to be this worked up about it but I can't get rid of the awful taste this series left in my mouth. We're on the same page. I don't know anything about Dalek Masterplan. It was only when the big reveal of a character at the end of a cliffhanger made me shrug my shoulders & I had to search to find out who they were that I started reading about it. Then more related characters started turning up! To make it even worse the Dalek Masterplan doesn't exist anymore! Should I have to read through wikipedia pages to enjoy this series of 4th Doctor adventures? Seems like one of the most bizarre ideas ever for BF. The soundtrack is there to be experienced - there was a vinyl release recently, and I think the CDs are still available (they’re what I’ve got). Plus of course the three existing episodes - part two gives you a lot on Zephon and the delegates, as does Mission to the Unknown, the animated version of which might be easy enough to track down, and who knows what’s going to happen with the recent remount. I’d hope the story is still reasonably enjoyable even if you don’t know DMP, but I’d thoroughly recommend taking the time to listen to the 12 parter if you can regardless - it’s an absolute corker of a story.
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Post by number13 on Apr 5, 2019 18:46:50 GMT
We're on the same page. I don't know anything about Dalek Masterplan. It was only when the big reveal of a character at the end of a cliffhanger made me shrug my shoulders & I had to search to find out who they were that I started reading about it. Then more related characters started turning up! To make it even worse the Dalek Masterplan doesn't exist anymore! Should I have to read through wikipedia pages to enjoy this series of 4th Doctor adventures? Seems like one of the most bizarre ideas ever for BF. The soundtrack is there to be experienced - there was a vinyl release recently, and I think the CDs are still available (they’re what I’ve got). Plus of course the three existing episodes - part two gives you a lot on Zephon and the delegates, as does Mission to the Unknown, the animated version of which might be easy enough to track down, and who knows what’s going to happen with the recent remount. I’d hope the story is still reasonably enjoyable even if you don’t know DMP, but I’d thoroughly recommend taking the time to listen to the 12 parter if you can regardless - it’s an absolute corker of a story. I loved 'The Perfect Prisoners' and indeed the whole series, thanks very much! So many highlights and Jane Slavin was brilliant through all the twists and turns of the story, an unforgettable Companion.
Knowing DMP and having the visual memories from the surviving materials made the 'pictures' better at times while listening to 'The Syndicate Masterplan' and gave many bonus moments, but I think Series 8 would be an excellent season even if a listener didn't know all the references.
(For anyone without the DMP soundtrack CDs, the BBC 'Lost TV Episodes Collection' CD sets are now being reissued, with DMP in Collection Two out in September. And the 'Loose Cannon' recons are very well done. A truly classic story which every Who fan should experience.)
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 5, 2019 21:54:00 GMT
It feels like this is far and away the most divisive series of the Fourth Doctor Adventures for fans around here.
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Post by fingersmash on Apr 6, 2019 1:57:16 GMT
It feels like this is far and away the most divisive series of the Fourth Doctor Adventures for fans around here. My problem was the arc. The three stand alone episodes were my favorite because there was no baggage, it was just the Doctor and Ann having fun with K9.
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Post by fantasticalice on Apr 6, 2019 13:17:09 GMT
It feels like this is far and away the most dilvisive series of the Fourth Doctor Adventures for fans around here. Seems so. and thanks to Tardis Wikia anyone visiting their site wont buy it. Because if u search for Ann Kelso the entire box set Collection is spoiled by the entry and the first sentence. It comes off as a little Malicious and I would not be surprised if it loses BF money. It's not as if they could have been respective of a company who already has losses from piracy by being more circumspect. And their excuse for borderline Malicious thoughtlessness is always that they are an Encyclopedia. Even though every other wiki signposts spoilers for recent material. I still remember going to the wiki to find out a character's birthday and at the top of the page it said "Character was murdered by this character connected to this other character because of this character" basically revealing a major plot twist in one sentence for no reason at all. And exactly like the spoilers the trolls posted for Star Wars episode 7 . basically it doesn't come across as written by someone who wants others to enjoy it. It's as if they have the intention to spoil it so thoroughly people wont buy it. Heck, even though Adric is a known spoiler I still don't see any necessity in having it say at the top of his page {Spoiler} he died in Earthshock, sacrificing himself to save the world from cybermen Heck, mentioning his Situation or Katrina's at the top of the page is completely unneccessary. It reminds me of when I was watchin DW on Twitch and people were going out of their way to spoile evry single twist and Development in chat. I don't get it. I'm currently watching Image of the Fendahl and have no clue at all what happens. It's Beautiful. And if someone is Lucky enough to not know what happens in a 40 year old serial they should be allowed to enjoy it. And speaking from experience knowing major spoilers about a character completely changes the experience for you. For example I actually keep an eye on bury the gay spoilers because in most cases even if a gay character dying is a Major twist/spoiler it is often indicative of the character being poorly served by the program. And in most cases it means I should avoid the show before becoming invested in a character that is killed off for no reason. But in the larger discussion major spoilers sukc the enjoyment out of a release for a lot of people. I am still unsure how I feel about this release as I got hit with a major spoiler after I had finished Planet of The Drashigs despite avoiding all discussion of the Releases. I did enjoy all the Dalek master Plan stuff. It's one of my favourite serials because the loose cannon recon makes the Daleks utterly terrifying. I have been listening to BF for years and even though I make an effort to watch something if I havent got to it yet detailed Reference doesn't ruin it for me. I am excited about the two Fendahl Releases as I am enjoying watching Image for the first time. but I know way more about the Krynoid from Big Finish and havent ever seen Seeds of Doom. And there are so many huge fan momenta that have completely passed me by because I have faded memories of Tom Baker era and other constantly refernced serials. Heck, after I went out of my way to watch the Keeper of Traken trilogy I cant say it drastically affected my enjoyment of Nyssa stories. I had more understanding to her and Tegan's issues and tragedies which was great but I just don't understand why this being related to the best ever first Doctor Dalek story is a negative for people who havent seen DMP? Heck, even as a fan there were several things I know went over my head because my adhd memory is so awful. And Jane and Tom have amazing chemistry. It's almost too good. I actually liked it when they became a little more adversarial starting with Planet of the Drashigs because it made more sense. In Sinestran Kill they talked like they had been traveling for years so when they started snapping at each other I found that more believable. I am reminded of a review I read of Sinestran kill and Ann having a surprisingly downplayed reaction to the Tardis. And there are cracks in every story and in all honesty... I liked the set. But what is interesting is Four is not the type to ever choose a companion. He loves Sarah, Romana, and Leela deeply. But in many ways I think he is a little more weary from loss than we realise and is Suspicious of anyone who wants to travel with him. And I liked seeing such a clear deconstruction of all that in this series. Tom baker is an amazing actor and capable of great nuance and depth. This set really showed Everything he is capable of and I wanted to give him a big hug at the end of the series. Damnit... I think I just talked myself into more preorders!
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 7, 2019 10:47:39 GMT
It feels like this is far and away the most divisive series of the Fourth Doctor Adventures for fans around here. My problem was the arc. The three stand alone episodes were my favorite because there was no baggage, it was just the Doctor and Ann having fun with K9. Certainly the two stand alone stories from the first set were my personal favourites of this series, although I must say I do wish they had left the Drashigs World idea for next year when it would have had Leela in it and been twice as long.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 11, 2019 1:01:47 GMT
Finished up the set this afternoon. What a great end to a strong season. Having a one-off companion really did open up the playing field and was an excellent way to raise the stakes. I suppose it is possible to bring Anya Kingdom back but I loved the regret tinged finish to the set. And on a side note, there is that scene in Perfect Prisoners with Corwin(spelling?) taking the lead firing his pistol and with K-9 protecting the rear where I had this perfect mental image of the 4th Doctor trotting along with his scarf trailing along behind him that had me laughing out loud at the thought. Funny how a range that has used nostalgia so heavily conjures up a pure nostalgic moment with the very set that was breaking out a little bit. It was a gift to me and I thank everyone involved for that.
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Post by fingersmash on Apr 11, 2019 13:28:21 GMT
I need to come back to this. I feel like I haven't given this a good chance or that I listened to it in a bad mood.
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Post by fantasticalice on Apr 11, 2019 16:35:27 GMT
Try giving Dalek Masterplan a listen or a watch. The loose cannon recon is absolutely chilling and makes the Daleks proper scary.
And then Binge series 8.
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Post by fingersmash on Apr 11, 2019 17:03:19 GMT
Try giving Dalek Masterplan a listen or a watch. The loose cannon recon is absolutely chilling and makes the Daleks proper scary. And then Binge series 8. I just might.
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Post by number13 on Apr 12, 2019 0:01:18 GMT
Try giving Dalek Masterplan a listen or a watch. The loose cannon recon is absolutely chilling and makes the Daleks proper scary. And then Binge series 8. I just might. Really would be a good idea - I did a rewatch as 'homework' between 8A and 8B after Unexpected Guest Character showed up and I was so pleased I had done, given what happened in 8B!
And as fantasticalice says, the Loose Cannon recon (brilliant) does show the Daleks at their worst/best. It's a long and varied ride from ruthless Daleks to outright comedy and back again, great guest characters and one heck of an ending you will never forget, even as a recon. Very highly recommended.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 12, 2019 10:31:26 GMT
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