Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 30, 2019 0:34:57 GMT
As Dumbo approaches, figured it might be as good a time as any to talk about Tim Burton's version of Dahl's candyman.
It's kind of interesting to look back at this as, from my perspective, this was where the fracturing of 'Burton, the quirky oddball artist' and 'Burton, the cash-grab revisionist' really cemented itself in film discussion, more than it ever had with his Apes remake. And it's interesting how much nostalgia for Wilder was a part of the backlash against this version, since for a whole generation, this is their Wonka and what they grew up with.
I rewatched Charlie not that long ago and really... it's not bad. Everyone made such a fuss because it wasn't the Wilder version and yeah, it's not the same and I prefer that film. But I think it has strengths and merits of its own: it's as stylish as any of Burton's other films, Elfman goes to town with the songs, the kids are good and some of the updates actually work (the dad thing not so much but hey, more Christopher Lee is never a negative). But what do you think?
I think I can honestly say the last Tim Burton film I enjoyed was Big Fish, which was two years before his CatCF. For me at least, his ‘look at me I’m quirky—but dark quirky!!’ schtick/persona/however-you’d-like-to-describe-it completely wore out its welcome just this side of the 90s.
I’ll label myself a little bit odd here: I love Gene Wilder, and I love the original book, but I never really fell in love with that version of the film. I’d watch it without complaint if someone had it on or if it was on during a school trip or whatever, but given the chance I’d change the channel right past it, and make no active effort to see it.
That said, I think the Gene Wilder version is a freaking masterpiece compared to the Burton one. You know how sometimes you get a feeling where you know something is wrong but for the life of you, you can’t figure out why? That was how I felt about damn near everything about the Burton version.
I do wonder sometimes, though. I haven’t seen the movie since it was in theatres nearly 15 years ago. All these years later, I wonder whether I’d actually enjoy it? I wonder this a lot about movies I originally didn’t like, but haven’t seen in many years. I find myself wondering if 30something me will see something in it that 20-year-old me didn’t.
I have to say burtons willy Wonka film like most of his films lately was a let down.....
depp as Wonka was just odd.....to weak to be a masterful imposing factory's master of whimsy figure but not odd enough to be the darker showman type figure from the books...…just a bit creepy and some one to keep the kids away from not lock them behind closed doors with him. the oompa loopas were not done well either, looking like an 80 pop video and the techno box on overkill
and all felt like a retelling that no one really wanted...….
but as with most of his work it had flashes of brilliance and lovely visuals
the original 1970's was a masterpiece and with 40 years + of reshowing's that's the version in most of our heads
Film versions of much loved books are always tricky. The two versions of Charlie are complimentary. I personally prefer the Gene Wilder version simply because I think his version, slightly sinister, unpredictable but charming is the better interpretation of the character.
The Wilder version is a musical version of the story which Dahl himself didn't like. I think Burton's version is closer to the book. The songs use Roald Dahl's original words. Burton's Willy Wonka is very odd. Impish and at times like a lost boy.
My children like both, the real star of the Burtin remake is Deep Roy who plays the entire tribe of Oompa-Loompas!
I far prefer Gene Wilder's version. Not only does it have the more entertaining Wonka by far, it has the better Charlie. The reboot Charlie is just sort of there, a flawless little angle who wins by default while everyone else gets sent to heir custom-made hell. He coasts through the movie like he already knows how its going to end.
Whereas 70s Charlie is given his own temptation to overcome (The Fizzy Lifting Drinks), which he succumbs to. But then he gets himself out of trouble and makes out good by coming clean about the other temptation that Wonka waved in front of everyone's nose (The Gobstopper).
Depp's Wonka is looking for someone who will obey his every whim because This Is The Way I want Things Done, not far off from how his father treated him. He initially brushed Charlie away when it's clear he won't blindly comply. Wilder's Wonka is looking for a good-hearted person, and creates for his successor the opportunity to prove who truly is. 70s Charlie thereby has a character arc that Reboot Charlie never does, and is more engaging to watch for it.
I might grudgingly give Better Songs to the remake, tho. But, here again we see what the different Wankas' different agendas. Depp's Oompaloompa songs are directed at the contestant who just failed, directly mocking them for their vices. Wilder's Oompaloompas are singing to the kids and guardians that are left. ("I've got another puzzle for you-hoo-hoo-hoo!") Imparting last-minute advice not to be an a-hole before its too late, perhaps?
Now, was that because I was overly enamoured by the Wilder version?
I saw it when I was much younger, probably some network TV showing, and thought it was OK, but I didn't fall in love with it.
Many years later, as an adult, I saw it again, and was kind of surprised as to the hard edges it had here and there. Verdict was about the same, it was OK.
I guess the negative backlash against the Burton installment turned me off, but maybe I was wrong. At one point I do know that I read the book, but I don't remember any of it now. But perhaps I should give it a chance sometime.
Had enjoyed Tim Burton's other films so was excited to see what he did with this. The visuals were great and was enjoying it until Depp appeared. Found his take on Wonka really annoying so switched it off.
I did enjoy Tim Burton's adaptation of 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory', but for me it will always be the Gene Wilder 'Willy Wonka'. That film felt more faithful in terms of an adaptation of the Roald Dahl book compared to the Tim Burton one.