Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 13:41:43 GMT
Has anything been heard about Boris and his impending court appearance? You know, the one to do with his lying and wilful misinformation? Or has that been swept under the carpet so it doesn't interfere with his journey to become Prime Minister of the UK?
|
|
|
Post by sherlock on Jun 13, 2019 13:43:14 GMT
Has anything been heard about Boris and his impending court appearance? You know, the one to do with his lying and wilful misinformation? Or has that been swept under the carpet so it doesn't interfere with his journey to become Prime Minister of the UK? High Court threw the case out. www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-brexit-bus/
|
|
lidar2
Castellan
You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
Likes: 5,788
|
Post by lidar2 on Jun 13, 2019 13:44:02 GMT
Has anything been heard about Boris and his impending court appearance? You know, the one to do with his lying and wilful misinformation? Or has that been swept under the carpet so it doesn't interfere with his journey to become Prime Minister of the UK? That was thrown out by a higher court. They didn't give their reasoning at the time and I haven't heard since what the legal basis of the decision was.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 14:04:56 GMT
Cheers for the replies
|
|
|
Post by mark687 on Jun 13, 2019 14:18:40 GMT
Has anything been heard about Boris and his impending court appearance? You know, the one to do with his lying and wilful misinformation? Or has that been swept under the carpet so it doesn't interfere with his journey to become Prime Minister of the UK? That was thrown out by a higher court. They didn't give their reasoning at the time and I haven't heard since what the legal basis of the decision was. "No politician has ever been charged with misleading people on a campaign"
Its such a broad term it could cover anything said by a politician
Regards
mark687
|
|
|
Post by number13 on Jun 13, 2019 14:27:41 GMT
The hard brexit / ERG candidates (Johnson/Leadsom/Raab/McVey got a combined total of 161 The other 6 softer brexit candidates got 152. Some on the left are supporting Johnston so overall the party is probabaly roughly 50:50 split between hard and soft brexiteers. And who knows which camp Boris is really in? He did write those two draft newspaper columns before the Referendum, one for Leave and one for Remain...
...
For some reason 'Yes Minister' came to mind...
Humphrey: 'Isn't it difficult wearing two "hats"?' Hacker: 'Not if one is in two minds.' Bernard (trying to be helpful): 'Or has two faces.'
|
|
|
Post by sherlock on Jun 13, 2019 14:34:53 GMT
The hard brexit / ERG candidates (Johnson/Leadsom/Raab/McVey got a combined total of 161 The other 6 softer brexit candidates got 152. Some on the left are supporting Johnston so overall the party is probabaly roughly 50:50 split between hard and soft brexiteers. And who knows which camp Boris is really in? He did write those two draft newspaper columns before the Referendum, one for Leave and one for Remain...
...
For some reason 'Yes Minister' came to mind...
Humphrey: 'Isn't it difficult wearing two "hats"?' Hacker: 'Not if one is in two minds.' Bernard (trying to be helpful): 'Or has two faces.'
In many ways Johnson resembles Hacker. A careerist politician who is fundamentally a blank slate when it comes to ideas about policy, and bases most of his actions on what he thinks will prove popular. No wonder there’s no ongoing political satire TV shows these days. Who needs them when you can see the same thing by turning on the news.
|
|
|
Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 13, 2019 17:28:26 GMT
And who knows which camp Boris is really in? He did write those two draft newspaper columns before the Referendum, one for Leave and one for Remain...
...
For some reason 'Yes Minister' came to mind...
Humphrey: 'Isn't it difficult wearing two "hats"?' Hacker: 'Not if one is in two minds.' Bernard (trying to be helpful): 'Or has two faces.'
In many ways Johnson resembles Hacker. A careerist politician who is fundamentally a blank slate when it comes to ideas about policy, and bases most of his actions on what he thinks will prove popular. No wonder there’s no ongoing political satire TV shows these days. Who needs them when you can see the same thing by turning on the news. Except Hacker was an essentially good man who wanted to make a difference but had no real idea how, whereas BoJo is ...expletive deleted...tax cuts for the millionaire mates...expletive deleted.
|
|
|
Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 14, 2019 12:30:21 GMT
If we get borris then we deserve everything we get...
We deserve better than this.
|
|
|
Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 14, 2019 12:30:50 GMT
Are any of them pro remain?
|
|
|
Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 14, 2019 13:31:18 GMT
Are any of them pro remain? Does it matter? Sunk capital fallacy is ruling UK politics now, "we've spent soooo much time on this that we just have to exit", rather than taking a breath and stepping back from the brink. Maybe they would still leave, but possibly by the door on the ground floor rather than face first out of a top floor window, like is currently the 'plan'.
|
|
|
Post by sherlock on Jun 14, 2019 13:39:08 GMT
Are any of them pro remain? All are promising to fulfill Brexit in some manner.
|
|
|
Post by mark687 on Jun 14, 2019 13:44:36 GMT
Hancock's withdrawn as he felt he was too forward thinking for the current mood of the Party
Regards
mark687
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 13:46:58 GMT
Are any of them pro remain? Does it matter? Sunk capital fallacy is ruling UK politics now, "we've spent soooo much time on this that we just have to exit", rather than taking a breath and stepping back from the brink. Maybe they would still leave, but possibly by the door on the ground floor rather than face first out of a top floor window, like is currently the 'plan'. And the reason 'favourite' Boris is saying we have to leave is that the Tories will implode if we don't. That is the reason he has given. Nothing about any world that may exist outside his band of pals.
|
|
|
Post by iainmclaughlin on Jun 14, 2019 15:27:58 GMT
I saw a piece suggesting Rory Stewart is playing a long game here. He stands as the lone voice against this madness (and I have interviewed enough economists in the past two years to now be convinced that it really is madness) and then when it's a disaster he is seen is the one who was right all along. I'm not convinced but it's an interesting theory. Or somebody desperately filling 600 words when the Editor is standing nearby tapping his watch.
|
|
|
Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 14, 2019 15:28:10 GMT
Does it matter? Sunk capital fallacy is ruling UK politics now, "we've spent soooo much time on this that we just have to exit", rather than taking a breath and stepping back from the brink. Maybe they would still leave, but possibly by the door on the ground floor rather than face first out of a top floor window, like is currently the 'plan'. And the reason 'favourite' Boris is saying we have to leave is that the Tories will implode if we don't. That is the reason he has given. Nothing about any world that may exist outside his band of pals. Can we make a pact to absolutely punish them at the next election, so that Boris never gets to say he won a general election? Let's make him the next Hague.
|
|
|
Post by mark687 on Jun 14, 2019 16:00:42 GMT
And the reason 'favourite' Boris is saying we have to leave is that the Tories will implode if we don't. That is the reason he has given. Nothing about any world that may exist outside his band of pals. Can we make a pact to absolutely punish them at the next election, so that Boris never gets to say he won a general election? Let's make him the next Hague. Semi-seriously No Johnson is a fool and may/ probably will embarrass the country, but if Corbyn wins the next one I think we're left with either a Welfare State for certain or the Hard Left Vs Far Right.
Regards
mark687
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 16:02:20 GMT
And the reason 'favourite' Boris is saying we have to leave is that the Tories will implode if we don't. That is the reason he has given. Nothing about any world that may exist outside his band of pals. Can we make a pact to absolutely punish them at the next election, so that Boris never gets to say he won a general election? Let's make him the next Hague. Or even Miliband!
I'll certainly add my small voice at the next election as usual (we're about due for another one, aren't we? It's weeks since the last one!), but his bumbling, shuffling act seems to have endeared him to people who find endearment in such things.
|
|
|
Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 14, 2019 16:08:02 GMT
Can we make a pact to absolutely punish them at the next election, so that Boris never gets to say he won a general election? Let's make him the next Hague. Semi-seriously No Johnson is a fool and may/ probably will embarrass the country, but if Corbyn wins the next one I think we're left with either a Welfare State for certain or the Hard Left Vs Far Right.
Regards
mark687
The difference between us is I think we're already there, sadly. It doesn't matter how many left leaning Brexiteers we have, and I include Corbyn himself in that, this entire debacle is dictated by the hard right, and we're currently seeing which muppet gets to be the public face of that. And what exactly is wrong with a welfare state? Or do you mean a state where everyone is on welfare rather than what is generally meant by that phrase, a state that looks after the welfare of its citizens? Which the current iteration of government is determined to dismantle.
|
|
|
Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 14, 2019 16:09:00 GMT
Can we make a pact to absolutely punish them at the next election, so that Boris never gets to say he won a general election? Let's make him the next Hague. Or even Miliband!
I'll certainly add my small voice at the next election as usual (we're about due for another one, aren't we? It's weeks since the last one!), but his bumbling, shuffling act seems to have endeared him to people who find endearment in such things.
It IS an act though, and sadly too many are taken in by it.
|
|