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Post by mark687 on Jun 14, 2019 16:22:31 GMT
Semi-seriously No Johnson is a fool and may/ probably will embarrass the country, but if Corbyn wins the next one I think we're left with either a Welfare State for certain or the Hard Left Vs Far Right.
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The difference between us is I think we're already there, sadly. It doesn't matter how many left leaning Brexiteers we have, and I include Corbyn himself in that, this entire debacle is dictated by the hard right, and we're currently seeing which muppet gets to be the public face of that. And what exactly is wrong with a welfare state? Or do you mean a state where everyone is on welfare rather than what is generally meant by that phrase, a state that looks after the welfare of its citizens? Which the current iteration of government is determined to dismantle. Welfare State meaning everyone looked after fairly and hopefully by equal contribution but I can't see that happening under Corbyn.
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Post by iainmclaughlin on Jun 14, 2019 16:27:52 GMT
There's a reason I joined the SNP. One afternoon watching BBC Parliament will explain it.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 14, 2019 16:29:59 GMT
Or even Miliband!
I'll certainly add my small voice at the next election as usual (we're about due for another one, aren't we? It's weeks since the last one!), but his bumbling, shuffling act seems to have endeared him to people who find endearment in such things.
It IS an act though, and sadly too many are taken in by it. I must admit, as I alluded to up Thread to a morbid curiosity in seeing him make his case for No Deal to EU and hearing their response.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 14, 2019 16:32:36 GMT
The difference between us is I think we're already there, sadly. It doesn't matter how many left leaning Brexiteers we have, and I include Corbyn himself in that, this entire debacle is dictated by the hard right, and we're currently seeing which muppet gets to be the public face of that. And what exactly is wrong with a welfare state? Or do you mean a state where everyone is on welfare rather than what is generally meant by that phrase, a state that looks after the welfare of its citizens? Which the current iteration of government is determined to dismantle. Welfare State meaning everyone looked after fairly and hopefully by equal contribution but I can't see that happening under Corbyn.
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It'll happen under Corbyn a lot sooner than Boris and the rest of the swivel eyed loons around him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 18:11:42 GMT
Welfare State meaning everyone looked after fairly and hopefully by equal contribution but I can't see that happening under Corbyn.
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It'll happen under Corbyn a lot sooner than Boris and the rest of the swivel eyed loons around him. It will never happen under Corbyn because he is a total joke. Bad leader. He will never get near number 10.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 14, 2019 19:37:18 GMT
It'll happen under Corbyn a lot sooner than Boris and the rest of the swivel eyed loons around him. It will never happen under Corbyn because he is a total joke. Bad leader. He will never get near number 10. We thought the same about BoJo, now look at the state of the place!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 8:13:47 GMT
It will never happen under Corbyn because he is a total joke. Bad leader. He will never get near number 10. We thought the same about BoJo, now look at the state of the place! But the labour party have to get in power first. That will never happen with Corbyn.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 17, 2019 6:27:54 GMT
Are any of them pro remain? All are promising to fulfill Brexit in some manner. That's a shame. Oh well back to crying into the void then
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 17, 2019 6:31:11 GMT
There's a reason I joined the SNP. One afternoon watching BBC Parliament will explain it. Yes but I can't. They arnt in Yorkshire
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 7:00:41 GMT
There's a reason I joined the SNP. One afternoon watching BBC Parliament will explain it. Yes but I can't. They arnt in Yorkshire You absolutely can join. You won't ultimately be able to vote for them but there are many members from the rUK who have joined the SNP, as the only real opposition at Westminister.
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Post by pawntake on Jun 17, 2019 7:41:35 GMT
Whoever is elected i wish them the best of luck!!!But!!How will any of them solve the Brexit problem? ??
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 17, 2019 10:39:14 GMT
There's a reason I joined the SNP. One afternoon watching BBC Parliament will explain it. Yes but I can't. They arnt in Yorkshire Hello again TinDog, Did I imagine it or was there not a Yorkshire party in the recent local or Euro elections? Our regional party is Mebyon Kernow. Now, they didn't take part in the Euro elections but do contest the General elections and the Cornwall Council elections which are due in 2021. As Cornwall is currently Blue, I wonder if we might see more votes for Mebyon next time. I doubt it but stranger things have happened...
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Post by number13 on Jun 17, 2019 10:54:16 GMT
Quite interesting watching over the weekend, if I had any say in the matter I'd now go for either Rory Stewart or Sajid Javid, easily the two most impressive candidates imo from their launches, interviews and the debate.
Differences on Brexit of course but I still think it'll come down to May's deal (slightly repackaged and with a short 'implementation' delay) or remaining, no matter who is the next PM. (And almost certainly it will be Boris.)
(What it says about me that my top two choices will probably be the next two out, I don't know, but there we are. )
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 17, 2019 12:47:13 GMT
Yes but I can't. They arnt in Yorkshire Hello again TinDog, Did I imagine it or was there not a Yorkshire party in the recent local or Euro elections? Our regional party is Mebyon Kernow. Now, they didn't take part in the Euro elections but do contest the General elections and the Cornwall Council elections which are due in 2021. As Cornwall is currently Blue, I wonder if we might see more votes for Mebyon next time. I doubt it but stranger things have happened... Yorkshire party is pro brexit
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 17, 2019 13:54:45 GMT
Hello again. Seally? What a shame. I've just read the following written by the chairman which puts the current Tory no-hopers to shame. www.yorkshireparty.org.uk/where-we-stand-on-brexit-chairmans-statement/Mebyon is pro-Europe but also part of a larger group of European parties. "The Europe of today is one of centralisation, limited democratic control, big business and bureaucracy, and MK – along with many other progressive groups in the European Free Alliance – is campaigning for the increased democratisation of the EU, greater transparency and increased Cornish representation." It will be interesting to see how Mebyon does in the future. It has so far has limited success except at local level. It's main campaign is for a regional assembly with greater devolved powers. Unfortunately, for the Cornish I don't see any government at present or in the near future agreeing to this. They will merely point to Cornwall Council as the only administratative body needed in Cornwall.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 16:32:10 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Jun 18, 2019 9:48:46 GMT
The Conservative Party is now a Brexit-worshipping cult.
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Post by number13 on Jun 18, 2019 11:54:29 GMT
The Conservative Party is now a Brexit-worshipping cult. Amazing and apparently alarming numbers, but frankly I think this is one of those polls which proves mostly that people don't want to admit to a pollster that they could be wrong under any circumstances.
They are for Brexit, therefore they must be seen to support Brexit at all costs. (It's like followers of a religion - or cult -who will never admit to any outsider that any part of their religion can possibly be at fault/untrue, even when they know it is.)
The first few results might be close to the truth - sadly, and I suppose that entryism on a colossal scale (which I don't think has happened) could make it possible that over half wouldn't care about 'their' own party because it wouldn't be 'theirs' - though I don't believe this.
But 39% of them would be OK with Corbyn PM as long as they got Brexit?? At that point my credulity fails me, considering who the respondents were.
EDIT: If these really are their attitudes, I think they may well be very disappointed with PM Boris (assuming he is, obviously.)
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 18, 2019 17:22:54 GMT
Hello again.
Raab is out. (Yeah!) Five remain to go on BBC debate. Boris 126, Hunt 46, Gove 41, Stewart 37 and Javid 33.
The tedium continues....
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Post by number13 on Jun 18, 2019 22:27:10 GMT
Well, at the end of today, the one candidate I totally disagreed with (about proroguing Parliament) is out!
The two I was most interested in did make it through after all - Sajid Javid just did! - and I thought he had the best debate tonight and gets better in each appearance. Rory not so much.
Oh well, I don't have a vote and it's almost certainly going to be Boris PM, but starting to think Sajid Javid might even make the final two and that would be interesting.
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