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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 15:22:32 GMT
Bad enough we got the PC Police SJW liberals telling us we can't do this or that now we got a pillock of a buffoon running the UK. I give up the worlds gone bloody mad. A pillock who is as far from the the "PC Police SJW Liberals" as you can get so I'm not sure what you're on about. Half the stuff you post about on here Boris agrees with you on. He'd use meaningless right-wing terms like "PC Police SJW liberals" too.
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Post by pawntake on Jul 23, 2019 15:23:34 GMT
And the whole Brexit carnival starts again!!!!!!
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 24, 2019 1:16:14 GMT
Well, I'm just waiting for the Poundshop Churchill to have some shitty variation of "Never in the field of blah blah effing blah, pull together, spirit of the blitz, Dunkirk, bloody froggies, our ISLAND NATION (NI is on a different Island by the way)...." come October.
Well done Theresa May, you are instantly not the worst PM of the 21st century.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 9:13:26 GMT
Boris's 'Dude, we're going to energise this country,' speech is so embarrassing, suddenly Theresa May's robot dance seems like a dignified beacon of warm nostalgia.
So - no deal brexit on October 31st then? I agree but why did you refer to Boris Johnson by his first name & Theresa May by her full name? This is part of the problem. Can people stop referring to him in such an over-familiar way! The media have done it for years & as we now see the public also fall into that trap. He is NOT bumbling, buffoon Boris. He is our new PM Boris Johnson a nasty piece of work.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 24, 2019 13:22:16 GMT
Thinking about potential brexit strategies for Boris ...
Rather than trying to get a better deal out of the eu by threatening no-deal, he might be wiser to threaten to remain, then they would offer the UK a better deal just to be rid of us
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Post by mark687 on Jul 24, 2019 13:35:36 GMT
Also he could
1.Say the withdraw agreement invalid because the cabinets changed and purpose a different one
2. Leave on 31st October New EU Commission starts on 1st Nov, so he could come back then and say "New people on both sides means new arrangements"
End of the day though he's still got to get a Deal through UK Parliament because if he forces a No Deal he's handed Labour the next Election IMO
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 24, 2019 15:47:43 GMT
How thoroughly depressing to see Boris as PM. And I say that as a (moderate) Conservative on most issues.
Now I know how a lot of Americans must have felt when Trump moved into the White House.
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Post by Ela on Jul 24, 2019 18:12:37 GMT
How thoroughly depressing to see Boris as PM. And I say that as a (moderate) Conservative on most issues. Now I know how a lot of Americans must have felt when Trump moved into the White House. You now have a buffoon to match our clown. I frankly find Trump terrifying. Boris Johnson doesn't sound any better.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jul 24, 2019 21:59:32 GMT
Hello again.
Yes Mr Johnson is PM. But... he has an extremely low majority. He has an extremely volatile House of Commons to navigate. Labour have already given notice that they will trigger another vote of no confidence no doubt at a time where they think it will do the most damage.
There is precious little wriggle room for him. His lack of attention to detail will be his undoing. He doesn't seem to me be the sort of PM that has the will to sort out the huge problems facing the UK. Europe will not change their deal. Parliament will fight no deal.
Even a general election will still probably not sort this mess out. I think we need a National Government to find a way forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 22:17:46 GMT
Hello again. Yes Mr Johnson is PM. But... he has an extremely low majority. He has an extremely volatile House of Commons to navigate. Labour have already given notice that they will trigger another vote of no confidence no doubt at a time where they think it will do the most damage. There is precious little wriggle room for him. His lack of attention to detail will be his undoing. He doesn't seem to me be the sort of PM that has the will to sort out the huge problems facing the UK. Europe will not change their deal. Parliament will fight no deal. Even a general election will still probably not sort this mess out. I think we need a National Government to find a way forward. He's done his best to fill his cabinet with his fan club. Bad, bad move. It will only marginalise the moderate Tories further, and the electoral maths means he cannot afford ANY rebellion, yet he fires even leavers like Mordaunt and Fox, alienating those who he normally would be able to bank on if not support from then at least loyalty. I've never seen a less capable cabinet. I wouldn't let some of that mob run a bath, never mind a country. I really think there's a chance that either he doesn't make it to Brexit Day (how apt that it's Halloween) with a VoNC, or that he's the last PM of the UK as we know it. He won't play in NI or Scotland where even Ruth Davidson can't stand him.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jul 24, 2019 22:34:57 GMT
Hello again.
I agree Davy. With all his humbug about being pro-Union, the reality is very different. I see him as a wrecking ball and I pity whoever has to pick up the pieces.
It must be bad when ministers are ruling themselves out of his cabinet before he has even taken office!
As for his actual cabinet, Williamson at Education worries me, my teenagers are still feeling the effects of Mr Gove.
Raab at the Foreign Office? That's frightening too.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 24, 2019 22:41:10 GMT
Hello again. Yes Mr Johnson is PM. But... he has an extremely low majority. He has an extremely volatile House of Commons to navigate. Labour have already given notice that they will trigger another vote of no confidence no doubt at a time where they think it will do the most damage. There is precious little wriggle room for him. His lack of attention to detail will be his undoing. He doesn't seem to me be the sort of PM that has the will to sort out the huge problems facing the UK. Europe will not change their deal. Parliament will fight no deal. Even a general election will still probably not sort this mess out. I think we need a National Government to find a way forward. He's done his best to fill his cabinet with his fan club. Bad, bad move. It will only marginalise the moderate Tories further, and the electoral maths means he cannot afford ANY rebellion, yet he fires even leavers like Mordaunt and Fox, alienating those who he normally would be able to bank on if not support from then at least loyalty. I've never seen a less capable cabinet. I wouldn't let some of that mob run a bath, never mind a country. I really think there's a chance that either he doesn't make it to Brexit Day (how apt that it's Halloween) with a VoNC, or that he's the last PM of the UK as we know it. He won't play in NI or Scotland where even Ruth Davidson can't stand him. I don't often agree withyou on politics but you are right he will.not go down well in ni even among conservative inclined unionists. He is preferable to corbyn, that and the fact he got rid of chris grayling are about the only good things i can say about him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 22:50:41 GMT
He's done his best to fill his cabinet with his fan club. Bad, bad move. It will only marginalise the moderate Tories further, and the electoral maths means he cannot afford ANY rebellion, yet he fires even leavers like Mordaunt and Fox, alienating those who he normally would be able to bank on if not support from then at least loyalty. I've never seen a less capable cabinet. I wouldn't let some of that mob run a bath, never mind a country. I really think there's a chance that either he doesn't make it to Brexit Day (how apt that it's Halloween) with a VoNC, or that he's the last PM of the UK as we know it. He won't play in NI or Scotland where even Ruth Davidson can't stand him. I don't often agree withyou on politics but you are right he will.not go down well in ni even among conservative inclined unionists. He is preferable to corbyn, that and the fact he got rid of chris grayling are about the only good things i can say about him Thank God! Imagine though....if he does get brought down....we could get Home Secretary Diane Abbott in a Corbyn govt. When did the lunatics take over? I wouldn't let Diane Abbott join my housing association much less be home sec. There's just no clear way out of any of this for the UK, no "best-worst option". Everything seems varying degrees of bleak. I don't want Scottish Independence for the sake of it, I want it because even if its a hard road....we simply can't mess it up on our own worse than this. And if the most right-wing we have is Ruth Davidson, I can handle that. The only way would be up from the Disunited Kingdom we've been left with.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 24, 2019 23:12:05 GMT
So his Brother, McVey and Leadsom are in the Cabinet and Mogg's Leader of the House!
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 25, 2019 13:42:36 GMT
Least he cause Grayling to leave which is a Plus. then he gets a Double minus for his choice of Home Secretary
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 25, 2019 14:02:08 GMT
I don't often agree withyou on politics but you are right he will.not go down well in ni even among conservative inclined unionists. He is preferable to corbyn, that and the fact he got rid of chris grayling are about the only good things i can say about him Thank God! Imagine though....if he does get brought down....we could get Home Secretary Diane Abbott in a Corbyn govt. When did the lunatics take over? I wouldn't let Diane Abbott join my housing association much less be home sec. There's just no clear way out of any of this for the UK, no "best-worst option". Everything seems varying degrees of bleak. I don't want Scottish Independence for the sake of it, I want it because even if its a hard road....we simply can't mess it up on our own worse than this. And if the most right-wing we have is Ruth Davidson, I can handle that. The only way would be up from the Disunited Kingdom we've been left with. it is actually depressing to realise that the most competent MPs - and the ones you might actually want in government - are all on the backbenches rather than the frontbench. That applies equally to both Tories and Labour
On reflection, that is probably unfair to Tom Watson and Keir Starmer, but they're about the only exceptions I can think of.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 25, 2019 18:22:24 GMT
Blame the Lib dems! If they'd formed a government with Labour in 2010 we wouldn't be in this mess!
(Not entirely sarcasm)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 11:22:33 GMT
Blame the Lib dems! If they'd formed a government with Labour in 2010 we wouldn't be in this mess! (Not entirely sarcasm) Yes. It's the Lib Dems fault! Nothing to do with a Labour party that are completely ineffectual.
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 26, 2019 12:48:35 GMT
Blame the Lib dems! If they'd formed a government with Labour in 2010 we wouldn't be in this mess! (Not entirely sarcasm) I was thinking about your comment, apologies if I am taking it more seriously than it was intended, and there are so many moments in the last few years that were "turning points" when a different outcome might have sent the UK on a different trajectory.
If I had to pick out a single "for want of a nail, a war was lost" moment I would point to this paragraph from Andrew Smith's Wikipedia article (Smith is a former Labour MP and member of the Blair cabinet)
"In 2015 with minutes to spare before the deadline for nominees ended Smith nominated Jeremy Corbyn for leader of the Labour party despite not actually supporting Corbyn. Smith nominated Corbyn because he wanted a "broad debate" about the direction of the Labour party. Smith was the 35th Labour MP to nominate Corbyn which meant the necessary threshold for Corbyn to be on the ballot paper was reached. "
Just imagine if Smith had not done so, had any of the other leadership candidates won they would have campaigned much more strongly for Remain in the 2016 referendum and it would not have taken many votes to have produced a different referendum result. Corbyn's unenthusiastic and almost begrudging campaign for Remain was blamed by a lot of his MPs for the Leave victory and led to the vote of no-confidence and leadership challenge.
So there you have it - if you want a single moment when a single individual's small decision changed an entire nation's future that was it. If you want a single person to blame for the mess we're in, blame Andrew Smith former Labour MP for Oxford East.
I jest, of course.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 26, 2019 15:59:49 GMT
Blame the Lib dems! If they'd formed a government with Labour in 2010 we wouldn't be in this mess! (Not entirely sarcasm) Yes. It's the Lib Dems fault! Nothing to do with a Labour party that are completely ineffectual. As someone who voted for them in 2010 I'm entirely within my rights to say this And yes, ineffectual Labour.
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