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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 30, 2019 15:48:58 GMT
2) And now to completely contradict my previous point: while I completely understand and respect that BF seems to have no desire to recast John Hurt, I would be totally on board with a series of adventures featuring a younger War Doctor played by someone else. In some way this seems less egregious to me simply because we never had any opportunity to see a 30something-year-old John Hurt in the role. I'd also like for it to be something harder-edged, with the WD doing some distasteful things, but that's something I just don't see BF ever doing. I think the Doctor chronicles is the ideal format for the young war dr. That way it is a narrator and not a recast, so no heat generated. If it proves popular then they can move to full cast You know, a young War Doctor being cast isn't nearly so much of a sticking point as any other recast, even if the lovely John Hurt was still with us I doubt he could sustain a youthful voice for the duration of an episode, so a recast would effectively always be on the books if such a thing were to be done. If you look at his 1970s work the voice is recognisable but that latter day War Doctor rasp is missing, and a rasp is something you can add but very hard to remove from your voice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 16:05:40 GMT
I think the Doctor chronicles is the ideal format for the young war dr. That way it is a narrator and not a recast, so no heat generated. If it proves popular then they can move to full cast You know, a young War Doctor being cast isn't nearly so much of a sticking point as any other recast, even if the lovely John Hurt was still with us I doubt he could sustain a youthful voice for the duration of an episode, so a recast would effectively always be on the books if such a thing were to be done. If you look at his 1970s work the voice is recognisable but that latter day War Doctor rasp is missing, and a rasp is something you can add but very hard to remove from your voice. When he regenerated he may have looked like the Naked Civil Servant era aged John Hurt but he didn't have a youthful voice when he said "Doctor no more!" as his first words. He sounded pretty old John Hurt from the outset to me.
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Post by Digi on Jul 30, 2019 16:09:45 GMT
You know, a young War Doctor being cast isn't nearly so much of a sticking point as any other recast, even if the lovely John Hurt was still with us I doubt he could sustain a youthful voice for the duration of an episode, so a recast would effectively always be on the books if such a thing were to be done. If you look at his 1970s work the voice is recognisable but that latter day War Doctor rasp is missing, and a rasp is something you can add but very hard to remove from your voice. When he regenerated he may have looked like the Naked Civil Servant era aged John Hurt but he didn't have a youthful voice when he said "Doctor no more!" as his first words. He sounded pretty old John Hurt from the outset to me. Just getting used to his new body, like Ten pausing to get used to new teeth
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 30, 2019 16:28:20 GMT
You know, a young War Doctor being cast isn't nearly so much of a sticking point as any other recast, even if the lovely John Hurt was still with us I doubt he could sustain a youthful voice for the duration of an episode, so a recast would effectively always be on the books if such a thing were to be done. If you look at his 1970s work the voice is recognisable but that latter day War Doctor rasp is missing, and a rasp is something you can add but very hard to remove from your voice. When he regenerated he may have looked like the Naked Civil Servant era aged John Hurt but he didn't have a youthful voice when he said "Doctor no more!" as his first words. He sounded pretty old John Hurt from the outset to me. Well, he had just regenerated. Maybe his throat was dry and his next line was going to be to ask for a glass of water
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 2, 2019 18:20:03 GMT
Moot point really. I reckon we'll see Dalek Empire Time War before a War Doctor recast. And it wouldn't just be him, you'd need to recast Ollistra too. Though that could be a simple regeneration.
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 2, 2019 19:03:34 GMT
Moot point really. I reckon we'll see Dalek Empire Time War before a War Doctor recast. And it wouldn't just be him, you'd need to recast Ollistra too. Though that could be a simple regeneration. I wonder who will play Ollistra in Dark Universe. Maybe they use the actress who played her in Doom Coalition? They could also use her again in Time War releases- you know, timey-wimey and all that.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 3, 2019 10:03:46 GMT
The War Doctor comments have been an interesting read. Sometimes I worry I am getting a reputation for mentioning him on this board so often! I think he's brilliant and I think the four sets Big Finish put out were fantastic. It helps that John Hurt is my favourite actor too.
I did think that they had lost the rights to him, as he's not allowed in the Short Trips range, and it seemed logical that they only got the rights on the basis of John Hurt reprising the role. Earlier this week, Nick Briggs seemed to imply they still had the rights, when someone asked him in Vortex whether an encounter between the War Doctor and the War Master would be possible in a reading by Derek Jacobi. Based on this, I've had a few different ideas on how Big Finish could provide us with some more War Doctor content. Realistically, I don't think we'd get lots and lots, and I wouldn't want that, as the beauty of the War Doctor range is that it barely scratched the surface of this long and suffering incarnation, but provided us with enough content to craft an era. However, I would like a few more stories, just to help alleviate the sad shadow cast, where the War Doctor's Big Finish involvement simply stopped due to John Hurt's passing.
We know that Series 5 was due to record before Hurt passed away, but the recording had to be postponed, so the scripts are presumably available. We know they were to involve Leela and Ollistra travelling with the War Doctor. Unfortunately, now Jacqueline Pearce has sadly died, getting them to be recorded in an Early Years style way is out of the question, but I'm wondering if they could be repurposed into a prose reading by Louise Jameson? She has a wonderful voice and I think it's a great chance to develop Leela more in a way you don't get with her continued use in the Fourth Doctor range.
Another option is War Doctor Chronicles. I would even accept Nicholas Briggs on narration / impersonation duties, but only if they justify it by using a genuine cast member in each story. There's plenty; Louise Jameson, Ken Bones, Clare Higgins and Peter de Jersey spring to mind. If you wanted to get a little more fanjodrelly, then Lalla Ward, Carole Ann Ford and Derek Jacobi are obvious choices, all of which can provide a bit of drama. There's a couple of sets there and they can be scattered up and down the War Doctor's timeline.
If Chronicles aren't an option, then I think you could use a lot of the above guest cast for Short Trips, if BBC Studios were to allow the War Doctor to be used. A few "special" readings, like the ones done for the Eighth Doctor in 2017, would be nice.
I'm not overly convinced by a young War Doctor as its own range, with its own actor. I understand the idea, but I think due to so little content, the imagery of the War Doctor should remain John Hurt as he was in The Day of the Doctor. I think doing stories earlier in his tenure in an overall Chronicles set is fine, but a specific "Young War Doctor" series not so much.
Essentially, more War Doctor please, Big Finish!
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 3, 2019 11:52:27 GMT
Moot point really. I reckon we'll see Dalek Empire Time War before a War Doctor recast. And it wouldn't just be him, you'd need to recast Ollistra too. Though that could be a simple regeneration. I wonder who will play Ollistra in Dark Universe. Maybe they use the actress who played her in Doom Coalition? They could also use her again in Time War releases- you know, timey-wimey and all that.
Yeah they’ve already confirmed that it’ll be Carolyn Pickles.
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Post by Whovitt on Aug 3, 2019 12:07:29 GMT
(I can't remember if I've mentioned this theory on here or not, so I'll mention it now since it's kind of relevant) With having to avoid using Jacqueline Pearce's incarnation or Ollistra, I think it would be a cool idea to regenerate her on again into a new form in the current Eighth Doctor - The Time War range. Then, after a while, the new Ollistra chooses to regenerate back into the Pearce form because this new incarnation realises he/she isn't as up to the task as their predecessor. This allows for Ollistra to continue in some form or another in future Time War releases without breaking the continuity
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 3, 2019 13:21:06 GMT
(I can't remember if I've mentioned this theory on here or not, so I'll mention it now since it's kind of relevant) With having to avoid using Jacqueline Pearce's incarnation or Ollistra, I think it would be a cool idea to regenerate her on again into a new form in the current Eighth Doctor - The Time War range. Then, after a while, the new Ollistra chooses to regenerate back into the Pearce form because this new incarnation realises he/she isn't as up to the task as their predecessor. This allows for Ollistra to continue in some form or another in future Time War releases without breaking the continuity That’s a great idea and a very Ollistra thing to do!
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Post by mbt66 on Aug 3, 2019 13:39:22 GMT
(I can't remember if I've mentioned this theory on here or not, so I'll mention it now since it's kind of relevant) With having to avoid using Jacqueline Pearce's incarnation or Ollistra, I think it would be a cool idea to regenerate her on again into a new form in the current Eighth Doctor - The Time War range. Then, after a while, the new Ollistra chooses to regenerate back into the Pearce form because this new incarnation realises he/she isn't as up to the task as their predecessor. This allows for Ollistra to continue in some form or another in future Time War releases without breaking the continuity I like the concept and if the Curator is to be believed, not without precedent! I also still like the Time Lord Portent notion where the Time Lords have developed a process that can extract a future incarnation of a Time Lord whilst keeping the current incarnation current (if that makes sense) the Portent will be one and done as it isn’t able to regenerate.
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Post by xlozdob on Aug 3, 2019 14:44:28 GMT
In a dream world, they'd have a young War Doctor make a cameo appearance in the last Gallifrey boxset, portrayed by Sam Riley, of course. So maybe not a Young War range, but I think he could take on the mantle and keep Hurt's portrayal alive through dramatised readings with guest stars from the era, like it's been mentioned, guest star himself in other Time War ranges and even possibly the odd multi-Doctor adventure in the future.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 3, 2019 17:21:25 GMT
I think an early days War Doctor series would be great.
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Post by mbt66 on Aug 10, 2019 15:39:01 GMT
The thing I am most waiting for is...
What Big Finish can do with Jago & Litefoot.
I am looking forward to hearing Jago with River, but I really hope Big Finish have plans in mind for continuing their legacy.
Or will CandyJar get the licence to them as well as Counter Measures?
If not Justine Richards, Jonathan Morris, et all need to be pitching a book series as well as The Jago & Litefoot Journals on audio.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 8:25:02 GMT
Just not sure about a Young War Doctor at all I live the box sets so far but they are not exceptional stories and are pretty limited in Scope ,how much further could they take the War ?
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 25, 2019 8:35:16 GMT
Just not sure about a Young War Doctor at all I live the box sets so far but they are not exceptional stories and are pretty limited in Scope ,how much further could they take the War ? I totally agree with you. I am happy they opened up the scope with the Time War stories the past couple of years and especially this year. But with the War Doctor? Not sure what else the could do? Exept if they were to show some of the true horrific acts the Doctor committed that made him relinquish his name... but that would trespass onto the Masters territory and would make the Doctor Time War stories even darker and bleak than they are already becoming. And according to what Mr. Dorney said in another threat about the topic, this was nothing that they were willing to do at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 8:46:26 GMT
Just not sure about a Young War Doctor at all I live the box sets so far but they are not exceptional stories and are pretty limited in Scope ,how much further could they take the War ? I totally agree with you. I am happy they opened up the scope with the Time War stories the past couple of years and especially this year. But with the War Doctor? Not sure what else the could do? Exept if they were to show some of the true horrific acts the Doctor committed that made him relinquish his name... but that would trespass onto the Masters territory and would make the Doctor Time War stories even darker and bleak than they are already becoming. And according to what Mr. Dorney said in another threat about the topic, this was nothing that they were willing to do at the time. You put it well. I think there is very little to do as I have said before The Hurt Doctor sets didn’t really make the Doctor a very dark incarnation that right , bring manifested in The Master sets and in MCGann slightly. There is a limit I feel to these stories and most of the territory had been covered. I think if they do a grand finale it should end there. Later on in the future new ways to tell different stories will no doubt be found
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 18:18:51 GMT
Adam Adament, Space 1999 & Harry Houdini's War in the short term.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 26, 2019 18:37:26 GMT
The thing I am most waiting for is... What Big Finish can do with Jago & Litefoot. I am looking forward to hearing Jago with River, but I really hope Big Finish have plans in mind for continuing their legacy. I don’t know as much I love me some Jago & Litefoot, and I do, I think we have the legacy. That we got 60 or so hours on audio with them continues to be a damn miracle that I am continually appreciative of.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 18:43:57 GMT
the Death Of Romana 2 now that someone’s suggested it....noooooooooooooo;ooo don’t do it to me
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