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Post by Whovitt on Aug 14, 2019 9:02:21 GMT
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Post by IndieMacUser on Aug 14, 2019 9:06:28 GMT
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 14, 2019 9:07:00 GMT
Reading the synopsis, it sounds very like The Dalek Occupation of Winter
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Post by Ian McArdell on Aug 14, 2019 9:49:59 GMT
My take is up at CultBox - this was a cracking, solidly plotted adventure.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 14, 2019 13:37:53 GMT
This is good.
It is similar to Dalek Occupation of Winter but more pacey and a more emotive reasoning for the situation (so somehow it come over as more sympathetic. very good performance's by Colin , Saskia Reeves, and William Ellis)
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A solid 9/10
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 14, 2019 20:13:25 GMT
So you are saying it is nearly perfect?
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Post by mark687 on Aug 14, 2019 22:27:30 GMT
So you are saying it is nearly perfect? Very nearly if not for the fact that Dalek Occupation of Winter being 1st with simlair themes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 0:09:47 GMT
So you are saying it is nearly perfect? Very nearly if not for the fact that Dalek Occupation of Winter being 1st with simlair themes.
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I've still not listened to Tyrant! My BF "to listen to..." pile grows like The Blob. I admire that you get them listened to within a few hours of release - I don't know how you keep that up!
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 15, 2019 6:22:13 GMT
This is good. It is similar to Dalek Occupation of Winter but more pacey and a more emotive reasoning for the situation (so somehow it come over as more sympathetic. very good performance's by Colin , Saskia Reeves, and William Ellis) Regards A solid 9/10 If you say it's good then I'm sold as your usually on the money, i can't wait to hear this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:07:27 GMT
If you say it's good then I'm sold as your usually on the money, i can't wait to hear this. It's not just good, it's very good... and just when I hear a MR story that deserves a 5/5 there's no poll on the thread!!!
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 15, 2019 10:54:05 GMT
If you say it's good then I'm sold as your usually on the money, i can't wait to hear this. It's not just good, it's very good... and just when I hear a MR story that deserves a 5/5 there's no poll on the thread!!! Awesome, you & Mark rate it then I'm sold. Yeah were is the poll?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 22:37:50 GMT
Very nearly if not for the fact that Dalek Occupation of Winter being 1st with simlair themes.
I get the similar themes thing but Daleks do what Daleks do, originality isn't top of their agenda! They way they do the business of conquering, enslaving and exterminating isn't going to change too much from planet to planet. So yeah, there might be some tropes used that bring other Dalek stories to mind when listening to Emissary of the Daleks, it doesn't make this story any less enjoyable though. Daleks being brutal is nothing new either and we get plenty of that in this story. ( ) Andrew Smith has delivered a top notch script and a very enjoyable Sixth Doctor & Peri story with Emissary of the Daleks; it's a great TARDIS team, severely underused by BF. (For me Peri belongs with the Sixth Doctor.) Peri gets plenty to do while the Doctor goes about trying to save the people of 'Omnia' and needless to say Colin & Nicola put in great performances that show what might have been had the BBC invested a bit more ££ in to Doctor Who and JNT gave them some decent scripts. The real star of this story though is of course the emissary of the title Dalek Supreme, who behaves exactly as you would expect from a ruthless high ranking Dalek, nasty and menacing... but beautiful with it!* Emissary of the Daleks is a traditional Doctor Who story that's well plotted and is a solid Doctor Who adventure that's one of the best MR releases of the year so far... and as mentioned above, earns a 5/5 rating from me. (Now that a poll has been added to the thread!) This Sixth Doctor/Peri MR 'trilogy' has had two very good stories so far, the standard really is high, so I have high hopes of next month's release that finishes this run off. It won't have Daleks in it, but if it's anywhere near as good as Memories of a Tyrant and Emissary of the Daleks then we're in for a real treat. Roll on September... *Anyone not liking Daleks doing what Daleks do might think otherwise though.
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Post by elkawho on Aug 17, 2019 3:54:08 GMT
Let me start by saying how much I enjoyed this story. It really has been great hearing Sixie and Peri together again. No, this was not the most original of ideas, however it was executed extremely well. I still like The Dalek Occupation of Winter slightly more, but that is definitely not a criticism. One thing that I did want to mention was a comment that John Ainsworth made in the BTS commentary. He mentions that while there isn't a lot of originality in Dalek stories, what made this original is the point of view of Carmen.That she ended up working for the Daleks as the only way she could think of to save as many people as possible. But {Spoiler} that is exactly the plot of the first 2 seasons of Dalek Empire. It's how Susan Menzies survives and ends of as The Angel of Mercy. Not a criticism, just thought I'd mention it.
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Post by slithe on Aug 17, 2019 9:51:25 GMT
A very, very good story. This is shaping up to be a very strong trilogy (especially if the final instalment lives up to the trailer!)
As has been said previously, there is not much originality with Dalek stories and this one does fit the 'standard' Dalek pattern - invasion, enslavement and extermination. However, the idea of an Emissary (whilst not entirely unique) is an interesting prospect and Carmen trying to find a 'middle way' for her people between extermination and peaceful co-operation is well described here. Very much like The Controller in Day of the Daleks, Carmen is not a 'monster' in the traditional sense, but rather a conflicted individual. However, I do wonder how long she would have continued to go along with the Daleks had her son not been scheduled for extermination as a member of the resistance (would the killing of 50% of the population have tripped her?)
Where this story shines is through characterisation. The world of Omnia itself comes across quite well here - with the City, Over City and Mines quite well explored. The characters within them are interesting as well - whilst the people of the Under City are quite keen for rebellion - they want something that is contained and will not disrupt the balance of things (petty resistance rather than open defiance). From my own academic studies, this tends to fit the profile of most occupied countries - the ordinary populace want to get on with their lives: stability is better than civil war. There is some truth in Carmen's point that working with the Daleks for 12 years, whilst bringing its problems, was better for the majority of the people than open rebellion.
Baker and Bryant are on top form here. Baker is less of the 'bombastic' Sixth Doctor seen in Memories of a Tyrant and more of a 'softer' Sixth that we are used to seeing. As ever, the Doctor never loses his hatred of the Daleks (or his compassion for those oppressed) but does accept the genuine dilemma of the Omnian situation. Although he does try to give Carmen the encouragement to rebel, the Sixth Doctor's criticism of her is less sharp than the Third Doctor's criticism of the Controller. Unlike the TV series, Smith makes the Sixth Doctor far more likeable in his interactions with Carmen - there is no petty sparring or point scoring (as was the case in Season 22) and the Doctor genuinely has to use his wits to sort this one out that gives the best solution - he knows that simply 'defeating' the Daleks is not enough, they will be back soon enough once he leaves.
This story also carries on with the theme started in Memories of a Tyrant about 'heroes' and 'villains'. Clearly, Carmen fits both and there is a real dilemma here about how Omnia will reconcile itself with her legacy. Her son appears to soften towards her at the end (realising she is not a monster or a hero), but the legacy of occupation and collaboration will loom large in post-Omnian society. Smith doesn't entirely give us a happy ending - the 'new' Omnia is heading towards 'defence' as a priority (military rule possibly) and the inevitable civi war that will follow - are the free citizens going to put up with the ruling elite in power for much longer? Will the collaborators be tried? Will Aldo sort out his toxic legacy? The threat of the Daleks returning in 5 generations is also quite foreboding.
A genuinely powerful story that has lots of different facets. Although it is a Dalek story, it is very much a human story too - of the lengths people go to to survive and keep their ethics/morals in the face of adversity and hardship. The story also echoes the past without being too forceful - the Dalek 'door' sounds evoke the 1960s stories, the invasion and occupation evoke the Dalek Invasion of Earth, the Omnian puppet regime is a copy of the system from Day of the Daleks, the Special Weapons Dalek is a nice addition too. Interestingly, the Doctor's use of the line 'brave heart' to Peri is a nice throwback to his Fifth incarnation and recalls the good friendship they once had (hinted at again in Memories of a Tyrant).
Definitely two very good stories for the MR. Here's hoping the remainder of the year carries on in this fine form! Bravo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 10:50:31 GMT
Like other Andrew Smith stories, this is a thoughtful and intelligent script, and I enjoyed it. I agree with others that this was a solid listen rather than a spectacular one, and apart from Peri's Dalek interrogation scene, there weren't many times when I was given reason to believe the Doctor and his friends were in much real danger. The most interesting characters for me are Carmen and the Dalek Supreme. Whilst Carmen was nicely underplayed by Saskia Reeves, Nick Briggs really infused the Big Lad with a lot of malice and nastiness - as he explains in the extras - which brought the creature to life somewhat as a kind of Davros understudy (isn't it about time we had another appearance from Davros, by the way?). Whilst I'd love to hear another Revelation of the Daleks-type tale, which really does new and unexpected things with the creatures (a tall order, I know), it's always good to hear a well-written, well performed story. And Simon Power's sound design is excellent.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 17, 2019 10:57:29 GMT
Like other Andrew Smith stories, this is a thoughtful and intelligent script, and I enjoyed it. I agree with others that this was a solid listen rather than a spectacular one, and apart from Peri's Dalek interrogation scene, there weren't many times when I was given reason to believe the Doctor and his friends were in much real danger. The most interesting characters for me are Carmen and the Dalek Supreme. Whilst Carmen was nicely underplayed by Saskia Reeves, Nick Briggs really infused the Big Lad with a lot of malice and nastiness - as he explains in the extras - which brought the creature to life somewhat as a kind of Davros understudy (isn't it about time we had another appearance from Davros, by the way?). Whilst I'd love to hear another Revelation of the Daleks-type tale, which really does new and unexpected things with the creatures (a tall order, I know), it's always good to hear a well-written, well performed story. And Simon Power's sound design is excellent.
The War Valeyard opened an interesting possibility for a Dalek story ... {Spoiler} Specifically the Dalek that thought it was the Doctor. Of course, it was a passing thing in that story, but it’s an interesting idea.
What would a Dalek that thought it was the Doctor do? Would it be empathic and compassionate like the Doctor or like a Dalek, where compassion is to kill you in order to make the pain stop?
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 17, 2019 11:10:10 GMT
Like other Andrew Smith stories, this is a thoughtful and intelligent script, and I enjoyed it. I agree with others that this was a solid listen rather than a spectacular one, and apart from Peri's Dalek interrogation scene, there weren't many times when I was given reason to believe the Doctor and his friends were in much real danger. The most interesting characters for me are Carmen and the Dalek Supreme. Whilst Carmen was nicely underplayed by Saskia Reeves, Nick Briggs really infused the Big Lad with a lot of malice and nastiness - as he explains in the extras - which brought the creature to life somewhat as a kind of Davros understudy (isn't it about time we had another appearance from Davros, by the way?). Whilst I'd love to hear another Revelation of the Daleks-type tale, which really does new and unexpected things with the creatures (a tall order, I know), it's always good to hear a well-written, well performed story. And Simon Power's sound design is excellent.
The War Valeyard opened an interesting possibility for a Dalek story ... {Spoiler} Specifically the Dalek that thought it was the Doctor. Of course, it was a passing thing in that story, but it’s an interesting idea.
What would a Dalek that thought it was the Doctor do? Would it be empathic and compassionate like the Doctor or like a Dalek, where compassion is to kill you in order to make the pain stop? Well, since we learned that the Doctor makes a good Dalek in the new series...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 12:39:11 GMT
What would a Dalek that thought it was the Doctor do? Would it be empathic and compassionate like the Doctor As empathic and compassionate enough to encourage a wheelchair bound invalid to destroy a planet killing hundreds/thousands of intelligent beings? Yeah, I'd say a Dalek could manage that sort of compassion alright!!!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 17, 2019 22:30:31 GMT
What would a Dalek that thought it was the Doctor do? Would it be empathic and compassionate like the Doctor As empathic and compassionate enough to encourage a wheelchair bound invalid to destroy a planet killing hundreds/thousands of intelligent beings? Yeah, I'd say a Dalek could manage that sort of compassion alright!!! No, he tried to stop Davros from activating the Hand of Omega. He just knew he wouldn’t stop so boobytrapped it... and attempted genocide.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 18, 2019 0:56:39 GMT
The War Valeyard opened an interesting possibility for a Dalek story ... {Spoiler} Specifically the Dalek that thought it was the Doctor. Of course, it was a passing thing in that story, but it’s an interesting idea.
What would a Dalek that thought it was the Doctor do? Would it be empathic and compassionate like the Doctor or like a Dalek, where compassion is to kill you in order to make the pain stop? Well, since we learned that the Doctor makes a good Dalek in the new series... Which is something that irked me no end every time it came up beyond “Dalek”, where it worked because it shocked the Doctor to his core and was part of his recovery process from the war.
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