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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 20:19:04 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Oct 13, 2019 21:22:58 GMT
Excellent news
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Post by Whovitt on Oct 14, 2019 0:04:31 GMT
I wonder if that means they've got a second animation company working on it? From what I've understood about both The Power of the Daleks and The Macra Terror, both were quite rushed jobs, with the animators barely able to meet the schedules. If there are two animations on the go right now, I'll be astounded if it's the same animation house working on both. On a side note - I'm kind of hoping for either Marco Polo, The Crusade, or The Space Pirates, because any of them would complete their respective seasons and we could therefore expect the Blu-ray collection much sooner
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Post by newt5996 on Oct 14, 2019 1:19:15 GMT
My money's on either another Season 4 animation (Probably The Highlanders or The Smugglers, as I'd imagine them saving The Evil of the Daleks for a massive project) or possibly the stories that Whovitt mentioned.
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Post by Whovitt on Oct 14, 2019 5:19:34 GMT
My money's on either another Season 4 animation (Probably The Highlanders or The Smugglers, as I'd imagine them saving The Evil of the Daleks for a massive project) or possibly the stories that Whovitt mentioned. Yes, forgot to suggest another Season 4 story. Maybe they're finally doing animations for the two Underwater Menace episodes? With a 50% extant story, it's probably more cost effective to get another company working on a smaller scale release rather than getting the current lot to do it, otherwise they'd be animating the two existing episodes and that just seems kind of pointless when it's the 50/50 split. Faceless Ones is at least missing four of six, so it's slightly more viable to animate the existing ones too to make a more "complete" colour-animated product.
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 14, 2019 7:54:39 GMT
I wonder if that means they've got a second animation company working on it? From what I've understood about both The Power of the Daleks and The Macra Terror, both were quite rushed jobs, with the animators barely able to meet the schedules. If there are two animations on the go right now, I'll be astounded if it's the same animation house working on both. On a side note - I'm kind of hoping for either Marco Polo, The Crusade, or The Space Pirates, because any of them would complete their respective seasons and we could therefore expect the Blu-ray collection much sooner I hope so too and you can see a commercial logic to those three. If they release any B/W seasons without animation it is always going to feel like 2nd best, like they are trying to milk more money out of fans by getting us to double dip when the animations do finally come along
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 14, 2019 8:15:57 GMT
I’m thinking Space Pirates so The Mighty Trout’s last season can get a blu-rau box set.
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Post by OneTen on Oct 14, 2019 8:31:56 GMT
Is there anything to confirm this is an animation of a missing story, rather than, say an Infinite Quest style outing for Jodie Whittaker?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 8:36:42 GMT
I would guess Evil Of The Daleks, myself.
Charles Norton said Highlanders is unlikely at the moment due to the amount of characters, locales and intricate costumes needing to be reproduced for that - the same reason he says he can't see Marco Polo as being feasible. I mean it could be a bluff but it makes sense - the animations we have seen have had limited sets, small casts and monsters easily replicated. There had to be trims made to Macra Terror just to get it under budget so I think that supports the above, that some will either not happen (with technology as it is now, at least) or will need editing down.
Space Pirates does indeed tick a box of getting S6 ready to be complete but...it's Space Pirates. Does that sell well as a standalone release? We've been told the budget is not there for animations for the boxsets, they need standalones to make them viable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 8:39:00 GMT
Is there anything to confirm this is an animation of a missing story, rather than, say an Infinite Quest style outing for Jodie Whittaker? No, though the panel are the same team working on the animations range. Unless the BBC just decide to stop them for a year - or increase the budget for more staff massively - there wouldn't seem to be room for both the classic range and any potential new one to be done by the same guys and girls. If it's a new story, though - still more than happy!
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Post by OneTen on Oct 14, 2019 8:42:30 GMT
Is there anything to confirm this is an animation of a missing story, rather than, say an Infinite Quest style outing for Jodie Whittaker? No, though the panel are the same team working on the animations range. Unless the BBC just decide to stop them for a year - or increase the budget for more staff massively - there wouldn't seem to be room for both the classic range and any potential new one to be done by the same guys and girls. Would there be potential for the same guys and girls to be working on a second animation in the classic range without an increase in the budget for more staff?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 8:42:48 GMT
I wonder if that means they've got a second animation company working on it? From what I've understood about both The Power of the Daleks and The Macra Terror, both were quite rushed jobs, with the animators barely able to meet the schedules. If there are two animations on the go right now, I'll be astounded if it's the same animation house working on both. On a side note - I'm kind of hoping for either Marco Polo, The Crusade, or The Space Pirates, because any of them would complete their respective seasons and we could therefore expect the Blu-ray collection much sooner I hope so too and you can see a commercial logic to those three. If they release any B/W seasons without animation it is always going to feel like 2nd best, like they are trying to milk more money out of fans by getting us to double dip when the animations do finally come along I wouldn't take it as second best, honestly though yeah in an ideal world it wouldn't be my first choice. It's just practicalities. The way we're burning through the classic bluray seasons range compared to the one story a year animations means the range will be finished before the animations - even if they find a way through funding or tech to make animating every story a viable idea. If that doesn't happen, the pace of the seasons range is irrelevant - we won't get the whole lot anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 8:46:30 GMT
No, though the panel are the same team working on the animations range. Unless the BBC just decide to stop them for a year - or increase the budget for more staff massively - there wouldn't seem to be room for both the classic range and any potential new one to be done by the same guys and girls. Would there be potential for the same guys and girls to be working on a second animation in the classic range without an increase in the budget for more staff? It's an announcement with a short promo shot - there's nothing to indicate they'd be actively working on them at the same time, just that we'd know what's next. They've been working on Faceless for a good while. When that's done - 2020 - this can be the next job. Wheras if they do a Jodie story after this, we won't be seeing another classic animation for a couple of years.
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Post by OneTen on Oct 14, 2019 8:51:45 GMT
Would there be potential for the same guys and girls to be working on a second animation in the classic range without an increase in the budget for more staff? It's an announcement with a short promo shot - there's nothing to indicate they'd be actively working on them at the same time, just that we'd know what's next. They've been working on Faceless for a good while. When that's done - 2020 - this can be the next job. Wheras if they do a Jodie story after this, we won't be seeing another classic animation for a couple of years. Aha. I was worried about making one assumption, but I'd made another, that (because it mentioned clips) another animation was already being worked on. Oh well, still excited to find out what it will be...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 14, 2019 8:54:09 GMT
I hope so too and you can see a commercial logic to those three. If they release any B/W seasons without animation it is always going to feel like 2nd best, like they are trying to milk more money out of fans by getting us to double dip when the animations do finally come along I wouldn't take it as second best, honestly though yeah in an ideal world it wouldn't be my first choice. It's just practicalities. The way we're burning through the classic bluray seasons range compared to the one story a year animations means the range will be finished before the animations - even if they find a way through funding or tech to make animating every story a viable idea. If that doesn't happen, the pace of the seasons range is irrelevant - we won't get the whole lot anyway. This is the beeb we are talking about, past masters of the double, treble and quadruple dip. Howm many times have I not paid for, say, Spearhead from Space - edited VHS, unedited VHS, DVD, DID in Mannequin Mania box set, blu ray, and soon the blu ray in season 7 box set, etc
I have no doubt that is, say, 20 years time it will all be animated. As technology continues to improve and costs continue to come down it will become economically viable to do them all. Maybe not right away, but it will definitely happen.
Seriously though, you are right that the if the release schedule continues at its current pace it is unlikely everything will be animated in time for release. But I would be the house that means a re-release when the animation is eventually done
And then once they are all animated, there will be re-animations. I can almost imagine what the DWM interview in 2030 will say "When they animated Power of the Daleks in 2016 they were working to a tight budget and using the best technology available within that budget and it was fantastic for Dr Who fans at that time, but when you look at it today there are a number of aspects that have not aged well, and given what can be done nowadays for a fraction of the cost it made sense to re-animate it using today's techniques to bring it up to a modern standard ..."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 9:01:03 GMT
I wouldn't take it as second best, honestly though yeah in an ideal world it wouldn't be my first choice. It's just practicalities. The way we're burning through the classic bluray seasons range compared to the one story a year animations means the range will be finished before the animations - even if they find a way through funding or tech to make animating every story a viable idea. If that doesn't happen, the pace of the seasons range is irrelevant - we won't get the whole lot anyway. This is the beeb we are talking about, past masters of the double, treble and quadruple dip. Howm many times have I not paid for, say, Spearhead from Space - edited VHS, unedited VHS, DVD, DID in Mannequin Mania box set, blu ray, and soon the blu ray in season 7 box set, etc
I have no doubt that is, say, 20 years time it will all be animated. As technology continues to improve and costs continue to come down it will become economically viable to do them all. Maybe not right away, but it will definitely happen.
Seriously though, you are right that the if the release schedule continues at its current pace it is unlikely everything will be animated in time for release. But I would be the house that means a re-release when the animation is eventually done
And then once they are all animated, there will be re-animations. I can almost imagine what the DWM interview in 2030 will say "When they animated Power of the Daleks in 2016 they were working to a tight budget and using the best technology available within that budget and it was fantastic for Dr Who fans at that time, but when you look at it today there are a number of aspects that have not aged well, and given what can be done nowadays for a fraction of the cost it made sense to re-animate it using today's techniques to bring it up to a modern standard ..."
Honestly by the time they get to the end of the animations, bluray may not even be a viable format. 8K classic season sets - the only way to go It's something of a minor miracle we've got this "problem" anyway - Dan Hall declared the animation range impossible to keep going after it literally bankrupted two companies who worked on the DVD ones for 2Entertain. Only restructuring the funding and budgeting - I think BBC America broadcast rights played a big part in Power and Shada being the pilots for this relaunched range - makes it feasible now. Charles and co are clearly finding a way to make it more self-sustaining which is great for the future. And the rate the season sets are going out of print...we're gonna need re-releases anyway!
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Post by number13 on Oct 14, 2019 12:14:56 GMT
Any of the historicals seem unlikely, sadly, based on what we've heard. The very things that made them relatively easy for the BBC to make on a 'Doctor Who' budget (varied, spectacular costumes and set elements often already available from the BBC's then-vast stores from previous costume dramas) make them very expensive to animate. Uniform futuristic plastic jump-suits (orange or otherwise ) must be much cheaper!
Plus the relative unpopular view of historicals (and potential sales for), which I do not share. I'd love to see the full animated recon of Marco Polo, The Crusade, The Myth Makers, The Highlanders - but in the meantime I'll 'settle' for 'Evil of the Daleks' if that's next up
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 15:12:00 GMT
I'll 'settle' for 'Evil of the Daleks' if that's next up It would be tough but I think I'd settle for Evil of the Daleks too!
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Post by stcoop on Oct 14, 2019 15:25:32 GMT
I'd be astonished if it's not 'Evil of the Daleks'.
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 14, 2019 15:32:13 GMT
I'll 'settle' for 'Evil of the Daleks' if that's next up It would be tough but I think I'd settle for Evil of the Daleks too! First world problems ...
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