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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 18:32:17 GMT
The polling for this thread now looks interesting. Only one candidate still in the running has any support. At least our Jess will be well chuffed to know that she received seven votes and was the popular choice from this forum, hey chuck.
Lisa Nandy performed commendably against Andrew Neil last week by all accounts, including from Mr Neil himself, and would likely perform well as leader of the opposition, as would Keir Starmer.
Perhaps voting could be unlocked, for a redistribution of the votes, to show updated preferences? I opted for Yvette Cooper originally so its a good thing I don't bet on the horses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 18:39:12 GMT
Oh god, it's gonna be Keir Starmer isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 18:43:35 GMT
Oh god, it's gonna be Keir Starmer isn't it? Any specific reservations against him? For e.g. are there any skeletons in his closet?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 18:44:37 GMT
Oh god, it's gonna be Keir Starmer isn't it? Any specific reservations against him? For e.g. are there any skeletons in his closet? Don't know about that. I just don't want another white man from London as leader.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 21, 2020 20:01:37 GMT
Perhaps voting could be unlocked, for a redistribution of the votes, to show updated preferences? I opted for Yvette Cooper originally so its a good thing I don't bet on the horses. I tried to edit it but couldn't. Perhaps a mod/administrator could help?
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Post by doctorkernow on Jan 21, 2020 20:02:20 GMT
Hello again.
Sorry to hear about Jess Phillips withdrawing from the leadership contest. However, she is a definite talent within the party and I hope they recognise that. I think the most balanced result would be Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner. However, the party will need to give the deputy leader a clearly defined role. Once again, Angela Rayner is an ordinary person. A single mum who worked hard to become part of the shadow cabinet. Labour have much work to do, I hope they rise to the challenge. We need a strong opposition to the Tories, the Lords can only do so much.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 22, 2020 9:53:29 GMT
Sorry to see Jess Philips go. She was the best in the race but there was a perception of her as the most Blairite of the candidates so she was never going to win.
Lisa Nandy is an unknown but she probably looks the best of the remaining 4. She has the same problem as Jess Philips - not a Blairite, but as far as the Corbynite membership are concerned not One of Us either. Nandy actually reminds me of Cameron in the 2005 Tory leadership content - the unknown who became the breakout candidate and went on to win, although I don't think she will win this time
In a sense of course all of the candidates are unknowns. To what extent is Keir saying the left wing things he needs to say to win the leadership and to what extent does he really believe them? Even RLB, if she wins, might (I say might) turn out to be less Corbynite than she is currently positioning herself.
After all, when Corbyn was in the ascendant, anyone with ambition would have been tempted to go along with him. It is only after he is gone that we will see who were the true believers and who were the opportunists.
In terms of who has a realistic chance of winning, I think it comes down to Keir or RLB and Keir is the best of those 2.
Like daver I had voted for Cooper in this poll, let's hope Keir makes her his Shadow Chancellor
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Post by sherlock on Jan 22, 2020 10:41:36 GMT
Philips has effectively endorsed Nandy and Starmer.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 22, 2020 13:09:42 GMT
Huffington Post reporting that Nandy has the endorsement of the affiliate group Chinese for Labour, meaning she’s met the threshold to reach the ballot.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 22, 2020 14:43:24 GMT
Philips has withdrawn from the contest, after getting no endorsements from affiliates, unions or CLPs and poor performance at the first hustings her campaign had sunk. I see the rigged rules achieved their purpose, then. Centrist candidates need not apply.
Oh well, Labour's loss
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 14:08:57 GMT
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Post by iainmclaughlin on Jan 26, 2020 16:01:04 GMT
The question I'd ask first is "Who would Boris Johnson *least* want as Labour leader?" I think he's rubbing his hands with glee and praying that it's either Nandy or Long-Bailey because he'll feel confident that he can steamroller either of them in this post-fact world where presentation is what seems to matter. I was chatting with a political cartoonist a few nights ago, who is convinced that Rebecca Long-Bailey is a character from a Wallace & Gromit film, which is harsh - but I do see what he means. She does have a sort of startled look to her. I think Long-Bailey would be a disaster, possibly a terminal one for Labour. Problem is... I'm not sure there's a good option, just a least-bad one.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 27, 2020 13:55:38 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Jan 27, 2020 14:27:14 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Feb 8, 2020 15:50:01 GMT
Corbyn's constituency Labour Party just rejected the candidates meant to be his unofficial successors, so the tide still seems to be with Starmer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 20:20:38 GMT
Corbyn's constituency Labour Party just rejected the candidates meant to be his unofficial successors, so the tide still seems to be with Starmer. Hopefully this will see an end to Momentum.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Feb 10, 2020 12:38:43 GMT
40 MP's have said they'd quit Labour if Long-Bailey became leader lol
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Post by number13 on Feb 10, 2020 16:08:49 GMT
BBC : 'Labour accuses Keir Starmer campaign team of data breach'
and 'How the Labour leadership race suddenly turned ugly'
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Post by sherlock on Feb 12, 2020 11:43:52 GMT
Starmer has finally stuck his head above the parapet and revealed some policy pledges. As he’s the front runner, this could define Labour’s direction for the next four years.
1. Economic Justice-Increase Income Tax on top 5%, reverse cuts to Corporation Tax and clampdown on avoidance. (Generic Labour policy) 2. Social Justice-Abolition of Universal Credit, set national goal to make wellbeing as important as GDP (that’s pinched from Jo Swinson’s Lib Dems), invest in services, defend NHS and abolish tuition fees (not sure when that became part of social justice, but sure) 3. Climate Justice-Green New Deal, Clean Air Act (nothing new here) 4. Promote Peace and Human Rights-Act for Prevention of Military Intervention (I have no idea what this actually means, sounds on shaky ground here) and review all arms sales 5. Common Ownership-Common ownership of rail, mail, water and energy and end outsourcing in NHS, local government and justice system (nationalisation is not going off the agenda anytime soon, Starmer is about as far from Blair as you can get here) 6. Migrants’ Rights-Give EU nationals right to vote, defend free movement (that might be controversial, given some quarters are blaming Labour being too pro-EU for the 2019 result), end indefinite detention and close Yarl’s Wood and other centres 7. Workers’ Rights and Trade Unions-Repeal the Trade Union Act (Labour policy since it was introduced) 8. Devolution-A federal system to devolve power, regional investment banks and abolition of House of Lords to be replaced by an elected chamber of regions and nations (now that’s a big one) 9. Equality-build on past successes (that’s pretty much it, very specific) 10. Effective opposition to the Tories-Unite the party, eradicate of the scourge of anti-semitism and maintain links to trade unions (all easier said than done)
So that could be the direction of Labour going into 2024, or not. Still a long way to go in this contest.
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 12, 2020 12:02:30 GMT
Starmer has finally stuck his head above the parapet and revealed some policy pledges. As he’s the front runner, this could define Labour’s direction for the next four years. 1. Economic Justice-Increase Income Tax on top 5%, reverse cuts to Corporation Tax and clampdown on avoidance. (Generic Labour policy) 2. Social Justice-Abolition of Universal Credit, set national goal to make wellbeing as important as GDP (that’s pinched from Jo Swinson’s Lib Dems), invest in services, defend NHS and abolish tuition fees (not sure when that became part of social justice, but sure) 3. Climate Justice-Green New Deal, Clean Air Act (nothing new here) 4. Promote Peace and Human Rights-Act for Prevention of Military Intervention (I have no idea what this actually means, sounds on shaky ground here) and review all arms sales 5. Common Ownership-Common ownership of rail, mail, water and energy and end outsourcing in NHS, local government and justice system (nationalisation is not going off the agenda anytime soon, Starmer is about as far from Blair as you can get here) 6. Migrants’ Rights-Give EU nationals right to vote, defend free movement (that might be controversial, given some quarters are blaming Labour being too pro-EU for the 2019 result), end indefinite detention and close Yarl’s Wood and other centres 7. Workers’ Rights and Trade Unions-Repeal the Trade Union Act (Labour policy since it was introduced) 8. Devolution-A federal system to devolve power, regional investment banks and abolition of House of Lords to be replaced by an elected chamber of regions and nations (now that’s a big one) 9. Equality-build on past successes (that’s pretty much it, very specific) 10. Effective opposition to the Tories-Unite the party, eradicate of the scourge of anti-semitism and maintain links to trade unions (all easier said than done) So that could be the direction of Labour going into 2024, or not. Still a long way to go in this contest. Too left wing - points 1, 5 and 7 mean it will take Labour 2 elections to get back into office rather than 1 & Starmer will end up being a Kinnock doing most of the heavy lifting with a more centrist successor reaping the benefits
Let's hope for Labour's sake he is just saying it to win the leadership and will quietly abandon a lot of it
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