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Post by nottenst on Jan 2, 2020 15:06:35 GMT
Not having ever seen the actor playing O in anything besides a few hours of 24 (and not knowing who he was then), I had absolutely no suspicion that he could be the Master. I thought it would be more likely that he would be killed off along the way.
There are a lot of complaints about his pantomime chortling on his reveal. Think about it. He had been playing O for many years, fooling MI6 all this time and doing who knows what behind the scenes. He deserves some glee in the reveal. Not sure how many years that is, but he has calmly sat by watching one previous version become Prime Minister (perhaps even helping himself get resurrected for all we know). He also saw Missy's Cyberman gambit take place. He has seen the Doctor save the Earth many times and has just been biding his time for this plan to bear fruit. He knows patience.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 2, 2020 15:15:22 GMT
Wobbles can now play basketball, can he? Seriously dude, that's not funny or cool. That's being unnecessarily demeaning to a condition that many people have.
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Post by fingersmash on Jan 2, 2020 16:03:02 GMT
So many thoughts.
From minute 1, you can see every lesson learned in season 11. All the companions have something to do (even Yaz!), the jokes all land (for the most part), the James Bond pastiche is just enough to not be too on the nose, the music was perfect, the twist is decently set up, the set pieces are fun and thrilling, and everyone is just firing on all cylinders.
Whittaker gives a performance that can rank next to Capaldi in The Doctor Falls and Davison in The Caves of Androzani for best Doctor performances ever. I'm curious to see where our villains end up going and THAT CLIFFHANGER! I genuinely can't wait to watch Part 2 on Monday when it shows up on iTunes.
EDIT: Also did anyone else get a good chuckle from "A lot of inconsistencies but very, very interesting" when O was talking to Graham about the Doctor? I love little fourth wall leans like that about the lack of ContinWhoity (I just thought of that)
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Post by relativetime on Jan 2, 2020 16:46:08 GMT
Okay, that was actually a lot of fun! I really liked the twist at the end - I’m very interested to see where they go with it. It’s very RTD in terms of how it plays out, to be honest. In fact, the tease for the next episode was giving me very heavy Series 1-4 vibes, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Myself, I was actually more of a fan of how the episode played out in the first half - very serious and very cinematic. I do feel like there was a sudden tonal shift toward the second half and it’s arguably kind of rushed, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t having a fun time watching it - the casino games in particular was a really funny bit. Of course, the twist was just so utterly unexpected and Sacha is obviously having such a blast, you really can’t help but love it. I am hopeful we take a more serious approach in later episodes, assuming this is the actual direction we’re going, or at least something a bit more original. We do get a hint there is something more going on here, so I’m pretty psyched to see where the wind takes us.
I’m just feeling more invigorated about Doctor Who than I have in a long time. I’m glad to finally have it back!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 17:17:16 GMT
Oh minor thing that was good but didn't land right Forged Police Secondments for Yaz, as cover for the absences, good idea, but the Sargant's response should be "Yeath no Problem" or a cheeky "I'll have to apply for promotion as I'm obviously training you so well for all these Secondments" He shouldn't threaten to refuse, as far he knows its orders coming from superior officers. Regards mark687 Maybe it's just good old fashioned jealousy that Yasmin appears to be getting the chances he might not have had at her age. Maybe he's just narked that he wasn't in the loop with his superiors concerning his protege. Or maybe his instincts are telling him something seems off kilter with a nineteen year old probationary suddenly being put forward for all these secondments. Because if Yasmin's mum is suspicious, then surely a copper might be too? 😊
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 17:26:31 GMT
I'll be honest, I'm not sure where all the positive vibes are coming from. While I don't think it's Jodie's fault, this doctor is bloody awful. Did absolutely nothing of interest in this episode. So passive. Wobbles can now play basketball, can he? Great. I literally don't know any of the names of the companions. That's how little they have impacted on me. You can tell a lot about a person by the comments they make online. Sometimes all it takes is just a single word.
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Post by melkur on Jan 2, 2020 17:45:12 GMT
For the most part, I did enjoy last night's episode ('could maybe have been a few minutes shorter, but-), as for the twist? Well, let me get back to you on Sunday...
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Post by elkawho on Jan 2, 2020 18:20:22 GMT
Not having ever seen the actor playing O in anything besides a few hours of 24 (and not knowing who he was then), I had absolutely no suspicion that he could be the Master. I thought it would be more likely that he would be killed off along the way. There are a lot of complaints about his pantomime chortling on his reveal. Think about it. He had been playing O for many years, fooling MI6 all this time and doing who knows what behind the scenes. He deserves some glee in the reveal. Not sure how many years that is, but he has calmly sat by watching one previous version become Prime Minister (perhaps even helping himself get resurrected for all we know). He also saw Missy's Cyberman gambit take place. He has seen the Doctor save the Earth many times and has just been biding his time for this plan to bear fruit. He knows patience. You didn't see An Adenture In Space And Time? If not, you really should. It's great.
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Post by chopper on Jan 2, 2020 18:28:48 GMT
It was a cruel name someone else used for him in the first series and because his character is totally devoid of personality it stuck in my head instead of his real name, whatever that is.
Until he develops an actual personality, I will call him Mumbles from now on. Feel sorry for the poster who has dyspraxia; it must be a massive pain in the arse.
Here's a question though as I have no idea of the day to days of the condition: has it be portrayed accurately so far? I can only remember a bike bit and a ladder bit. Would he be able to do the other action stuff?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 18:30:46 GMT
It was a cruel name someone else used for him in the first series and because his character is totally devoid of personality it stuck in my head instead of his real name, whatever that is. Until he develops an actual personality, I will call him Mumbles from now on. Feel sorry for the poster who has dyspraxia; it must be a massive pain in the arse. Here's a question though as I have no idea of the day to days of the condition: has it be portrayed accurately so far? I can only remember a bike bit and a ladder bit. Would he be able to do the other action stuff? Or, y'know..call him Ryan.
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Post by project37 on Jan 2, 2020 18:36:16 GMT
It was a cruel name someone else used for him in the first series and because his character is totally devoid of personality it stuck in my head instead of his real name, whatever that is. Until he develops an actual personality, I will call him Mumbles from now on. Feel sorry for the poster who has dyspraxia; it must be a massive pain in the arse. Here's a question though as I have no idea of the day to days of the condition: has it be portrayed accurately so far? I can only remember a bike bit and a ladder bit. Would he be able to do the other action stuff? You should check out this show called Doctor Who. It's about a hero whose entire motivation can be summed up with the words
BE KIND.
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Post by project37 on Jan 2, 2020 18:45:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 18:53:57 GMT
I've just watched it again. I'm happy to report it is still brilliant, especially when you concentrate on O's reaction to various situations. Knowing what we know about him makes me appreciate Sacha's performance even more in retrospect.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 18:59:19 GMT
I've just watched it again. I'm happy to report it is still brilliant, especially when you concentrate on O's reaction to various situations. Knowing what we know about him makes me appreciate Sacha's performance even more in retrospect. Sacha's been one of the best working actors in the country over the last 10 or so years, he really can do it all - from gentle sitcoms to really hard social dramas and comic book things like Iron Fist and a rather wonderful turn in Sherlock along with big roles in hit shows like Last Tango In Halifax, Line Of Duty and Mr Selfridge. He was even in a thing with Jodie before, I can't remember the name but she was being blackmailed and Toby Stephens was in it. I'm so chuffed we've got Sacha on board. I'd have loved him as The Doctor but I'll take this!
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Post by sherlock on Jan 2, 2020 19:01:22 GMT
It was a cruel name someone else used for him in the first series and because his character is totally devoid of personality it stuck in my head instead of his real name, whatever that is. Until he develops an actual personality, I will call him Mumbles from now on. Feel sorry for the poster who has dyspraxia; it must be a massive pain in the arse. Here's a question though as I have no idea of the day to days of the condition: has it be portrayed accurately so far? I can only remember a bike bit and a ladder bit. Would he be able to do the other action stuff? Broadly speaking, his dyspraxia has been portrayed accurately. Dyspraxia’s a difficult one to portray, as it varies greatly (as with all conditions, it’s something of a spectrum in how exactly it impacts on a person). The action stuff, well there’s already some dramatic licence at play as I somewhat doubt most people could really get on a moving plane. Here’s one dyspraxic blogger’s observations on Spyfall: And yes, it is a bit of a pain in the arse.
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Post by nottenst on Jan 2, 2020 19:05:58 GMT
Not having ever seen the actor playing O in anything besides a few hours of 24 (and not knowing who he was then), I had absolutely no suspicion that he could be the Master. I thought it would be more likely that he would be killed off along the way. There are a lot of complaints about his pantomime chortling on his reveal. Think about it. He had been playing O for many years, fooling MI6 all this time and doing who knows what behind the scenes. He deserves some glee in the reveal. Not sure how many years that is, but he has calmly sat by watching one previous version become Prime Minister (perhaps even helping himself get resurrected for all we know). He also saw Missy's Cyberman gambit take place. He has seen the Doctor save the Earth many times and has just been biding his time for this plan to bear fruit. He knows patience. You didn't see An Adenture In Space And Time? If not, you really should. It's great. Ah, missed that in his listings. Did see that and just noticed a spot in Sherlock. In any case, Sacha wasn't on my radar. During the episode I was trying to find out who was playing O and there was no listing for it at the time on IMDB. He is now listed there. Definitely, good secrecy on this surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 19:08:02 GMT
It was a cruel name someone else used for him in the first series and because his character is totally devoid of personality it stuck in my head instead of his real name, whatever that is. Until he develops an actual personality, I will call him Mumbles from now on. Feel sorry for the poster who has dyspraxia; it must be a massive pain in the arse. Here's a question though as I have no idea of the day to days of the condition: has it be portrayed accurately so far? I can only remember a bike bit and a ladder bit. Would he be able to do the other action stuff? Don't make excuses. Don't now try to feign sympathy. If for some reason you don't know his name, which I do not believe as it was used during the show, then just look it up on IMDb. Although I doubt if many people care about your opinion on the show now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 19:10:59 GMT
I've just watched it again. I'm happy to report it is still brilliant, especially when you concentrate on O's reaction to various situations. Knowing what we know about him makes me appreciate Sacha's performance even more in retrospect. Sacha's been one of the best working actors in the country over the last 10 or so years, he really can do it all - from gentle sitcoms to really hard social dramas and comic book things like Iron Fist and a rather wonderful turn in Sherlock along with big roles in hit shows like Last Tango In Halifax, Line Of Duty and Mr Selfridge. He was even in a thing with Jodie before, I can't remember the name but she was being blackmailed and Toby Stephens was in it. I'm so chuffed we've got Sacha on board. I'd have loved him as The Doctor but I'll take this! I first became aware of him in The Boy with the Topknot. He's also in tonight's episode of Dracula!
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Post by chopper on Jan 2, 2020 19:14:55 GMT
Broadly speaking, his dyspraxia has been portrayed accurately. Dyspraxia’s a difficult one to portray, as it varies greatly (as with all conditions, it’s something of a spectrum in how exactly it impacts on a person). The action stuff, well there’s already some dramatic licence at play as I somewhat doubt most people could really get on a moving plane. Here’s one dyspraxic blogger’s observations on Spyfall: And yes, it is a bit of a pain in the arse. Thanks for sharing. This is more interesting than the episode. I wonder if more of his condition was scripted but is edited out given the constraints of three companions and the doctor constantly saying "I don't know what is happening!"
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Post by chopper on Jan 2, 2020 19:17:50 GMT
It was a cruel name someone else used for him in the first series and because his character is totally devoid of personality it stuck in my head instead of his real name, whatever that is. Until he develops an actual personality, I will call him Mumbles from now on. Feel sorry for the poster who has dyspraxia; it must be a massive pain in the arse. Here's a question though as I have no idea of the day to days of the condition: has it be portrayed accurately so far? I can only remember a bike bit and a ladder bit. Would he be able to do the other action stuff? Don't make excuses. Don't now try to feign sympathy. If for some reason you don't know his name, which I do not believe as it was used during the show, then just look it up on IMDb. Although I doubt if many people care about your opinion on the show now. It wasn't an excuse. It was an explanation. And it seems his name is Ryan as someone told me up there. I assume it was mentioned in the show, but the character is so boring i had instantly forgotten it.
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