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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 1:46:46 GMT
Thought this'd be rather fun: the Time Vortex is one of the fundamental aspects of the Doctor's cosmic wanderings. We've seen so many differing depictions of the no-place/time over the years, how do you picture it? Is it a series of tunnels, a vast ocean, something else entirely? How does it work? What are some of its capabilities and what are some of its hazards? Is the Vortex isolated or does its energies funnel down into other dimensions? Was it created or did it always exist?
Thoughts?
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Post by Digi on Dec 30, 2019 4:24:23 GMT
I know the intro credits (and I think in a few episodes as well) they depict it like a tunnel, but in my mind I tend to think of it more in terms of how hyperspace in Babylon 5 looks and is portrayed. A big ominous void that you can’t see the end of, paths you can’t see but can be navigated by experts, eddies that can sweep you off the established tracks if you’re not careful....and maybe some unspeakable horrors lurking in the dark and stormy places that every sane pilot fears more than death itself...
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 30, 2019 9:45:29 GMT
Tombo title style tunnel.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 30, 2019 9:51:04 GMT
I know the intro credits (and I think in a few episodes as well) they depict it like a tunnel, but in my mind I tend to think of it more in terms of how hyperspace in Babylon 5 looks and is portrayed. A big ominous void that you can’t see the end of, paths you can’t see but can be navigated by experts, eddies that can sweep you off the established tracks if you’re not careful....and maybe some unspeakable horrors lurking in the dark and stormy places that every sane pilot fears more than death itself... Something like a more benign version of Warp Space in Warhammer 40000.  Yeah, I can see that... |
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Post by Digi on Dec 30, 2019 16:02:00 GMT
I know the intro credits (and I think in a few episodes as well) they depict it like a tunnel, but in my mind I tend to think of it more in terms of how hyperspace in Babylon 5 looks and is portrayed. A big ominous void that you can’t see the end of, paths you can’t see but can be navigated by experts, eddies that can sweep you off the established tracks if you’re not careful....and maybe some unspeakable horrors lurking in the dark and stormy places that every sane pilot fears more than death itself... Something like a more benign version of Warp Space in Warhammer 40000. Yeah, I can see that... Sure, why not? (I don't know anything about WH40K, so I have no idea what you're talking about  ) |
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 30, 2019 16:09:03 GMT
Something like a more benign version of Warp Space in Warhammer 40000. Yeah, I can see that... Sure, why not? (I don't know anything about WH40K, so I have no idea what you're talking about ) Haha, oups, sorry, and there I was, thinking you made an allusion. What you describe is basically that. In Warhammer 40000, Warp Space is a nightmare dimension you have to travel through if you want to travel the stars. It is full of demons and unspeakable things and twists the minds and bodies of travellers. And you can get lost in there... and exit thousands of years after you have entered.
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Post by Digi on Dec 30, 2019 17:25:32 GMT
Sure, why not? (I don't know anything about WH40K, so I have no idea what you're talking about ) Haha, oups, sorry, and there I was, thinking you made an allusion. What you describe is basically that. In Warhammer 40000, Warp Space is a nightmare dimension you have to travel through if you want to travel the stars. It is full of demons and unspeakable things and twists the minds and bodies of travellers. And you can get lost in there... and exit thousands of years after you have entered.
Ahh, okay. Babylon 5 is similar in that hyperspace exists as a separate dimension that everyone uses for interstellar travel without breaking relativity. The 'younger' races and ships with 'lesser' technology enter via jumpgates, but the elder and more advanced can enter and exit it at will. The hyperspace dimension looks like this, and for most races it's hard on the eyes and thought to drive you insane if you spend too long looking at it. In B5, ships navigate hyperspace by way of beacons and identified coordinates of jumpgates where they can exit. The ancient races, mysterious and sometimes terrifying, they can navigate hyperspace without the need for beacons or gates. But for the 'younger'/less advanced, it's extremely dangerous to go off the established routes because you can easily become lost there forever. And sometimes things lurk in the shadows... Circling back to the thread's original question: that's more or less my mental image of the time vortex in the Whoniverse. It may be hard as hell to get to the time vortex (which is why so few races are capable of time travel), but once you're in, that's what it looks like, why it's terrifying to the less advanced time-travel races, and a thing of ease to navigate for the Time Lords--because they're the king of the hill regarding time travel. Plus for stories like Scenes from Her Life, it adds to the creepy mystique for me that the unfolding city is found in a time vortex that looks like that, but well off the beaten track. And it's spooled/spooling out in place that looks like that, with a 'sky' that looks like that and inhabitants who have clearly lost their marbles for spending too much time in it. Yeah, that's the stuff. |
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Post by sherlock on Dec 30, 2019 19:36:05 GMT
I quite like the description from the novelisation of The Chase, which is included on the Vortex’s TARDIS wiki page: ‘The Space/Time Vortex exists outside of any normal frame of reference. Within it, light, darkness, matter and energy all blend, divide, shift and change. It underlies the whole of Creation, touching the normal Universe only slightly. Its pathways are twisted, unstable and hard to follow.’
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Post by polly on Dec 30, 2019 20:24:29 GMT
It basically looks like the RTD opening in my brain. I imagine that the tunnel effect is only "visible" while in motion, whereas stationary it would look more like the inside of a stormy gas giant or nebula.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jan 1, 2020 16:52:32 GMT
Hello again.
Like the effect used in Series 11 with plenty of hungry chronovores, reapers and vortisaurs.
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