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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 5:50:31 GMT
Exactly. He opens his life with the words "doctor no more" but I do worry that will be overlooked and he'll be just another doctor (an awesome one admittedly )
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 12, 2015 6:31:13 GMT
It'll certainly be interesting to see what directions BF take the War Doctor.
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Post by david on Oct 12, 2015 12:59:07 GMT
Yes, I've taken it to mean the same. It was that one act that repulsed future Docs over anything else. I think some people assume he turned into Absolom Daak I think it would be more fitting if he was Doctor-ish as that's surely what we learned in Day Of The Doctor - that even on his worst day...the Doctor could never be that bad. I've no doubt he will have some dark days but I think there'll be a fundamental optimism - kinda like Eccleston's "Coward...every time" from the end of Parting Of The Ways. Make me a warrior and Doctor no more were the words used in night of the doctor. This was way before the doctor decided to use the moment. So still hes going to have to do incredibly horrible things. Well, obviously. We know he's preparing himself to be someone completely the antithesis of The Doctor. What we're saying is...wouldn't it be interesting if he can't escape being fundamentally Doctor-ish.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 12, 2015 14:04:29 GMT
Exactly. He opens his life with the words "doctor no more" but I do worry that will be overlooked and he'll be just another doctor (an awesome one admittedly ) Don't see it, I don't disagree with your facts, but I don't see why his willingness and want to be "doctor no more" would actually change his nature so that he does "unspeakable" acts, I can see that perhaps he'd be more willing to act where normally he would stay his hand, but in truth I've witnessed The Doctor do things anyway that I find at best morally ambiguous, or in the case of the outcome of Human Nature I personally find the punishment he gave to be abhorrent, I think he would have been kinder to have killed them rather than what he did. Then we have the manipulations of 7, again much of which I find morally repugnant. I can see that The War Doctor perhaps did these sort of things more often, but I can't (as of yet) see why he would actually break away from fundamental nature of Who.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 14:10:32 GMT
Exactly. He opens his life with the words "doctor no more" but I do worry that will be overlooked and he'll be just another doctor (an awesome one admittedly ) Don't see it, I don't disagree with your facts, but I don't see why his willingness and want to be "doctor no more" would actually change his nature so that he does "unspeakable" acts, I can see that perhaps he'd be more willing to act where normally he would stay his hand, but in truth I've witnessed The Doctor do things anyway that I find at best morally ambiguous, or in the case of the outcome of Human Nature I personally find the punishment he gave to be abhorrent, I think he would have been kinder to have killed them rather than what he did. Then we have the manipulations of 7, again much of which I find morally repugnant. I can see that The War Doctor perhaps did these sort of things more often, but I can't (as of yet) see why he would actually break away from fundamental nature of Who. I don't actually disagree. I want this to be the doctor that maximises those aspects of his personality. this is the doctor that would have destroyed the daleks without hesitation in genesis, that would have pulled the trigger on davros in resurrection, but also the doctor that would have saved Adric and never mind the timeline (yes he's that much of a monster). Isn't it great that for the first time we get curious about what a big finish doctor will be like.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 12, 2015 14:19:24 GMT
...would have destroyed the daleks without hesitation in genesis... Personally, I would like him work to try and prevent that moment from happening, but yes, when the moment arrived, I would expect The War Doctor to be clear, he may not have the right, but he would take the right anyway.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 12, 2015 14:53:45 GMT
Don't see it, I don't disagree with your facts, but I don't see why his willingness and want to be "doctor no more" would actually change his nature so that he does "unspeakable" acts, I can see that perhaps he'd be more willing to act where normally he would stay his hand, but in truth I've witnessed The Doctor do things anyway that I find at best morally ambiguous, or in the case of the outcome of Human Nature I personally find the punishment he gave to be abhorrent, I think he would have been kinder to have killed them rather than what he did. Then we have the manipulations of 7, again much of which I find morally repugnant. I can see that The War Doctor perhaps did these sort of things more often, but I can't (as of yet) see why he would actually break away from fundamental nature of Who. I don't actually disagree. I want this to be the doctor that maximises those aspects of his personality. this is the doctor that would have destroyed the daleks without hesitation in genesis, that would have pulled the trigger on davros in resurrection, but also the doctor that would have saved Adric and never mind the timeline (yes he's that much of a monster). Isn't it great that for the first time we get curious about what a big finish doctor will be like. Yeah, he should break all the rules and go against what is deemed acceptable. Maybe even have him go darker than The Magician's Apprentice in that he actually kills a child given that it's likely no kids will be listening to the audio anyway.
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Post by acousticwolf on Oct 12, 2015 15:14:27 GMT
Yeah, he should break all the rules and go against what is deemed acceptable. Maybe even have him go darker than The Magician's Apprentice in that he actually kills a child given that it's likely no kids will be listening to the audio anyway. I don't think he would ever go that far! There are younger people who listen to BF audio drama (especially Doctor Who related) and BF generally state if the content is darker than normal and whether appropriate for younger listeners. Cheers Tony
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Post by jasonward on Oct 12, 2015 15:19:57 GMT
Yeah, he should break all the rules and go against what is deemed acceptable. Maybe even have him go darker than The Magician's Apprentice in that he actually kills a child given that it's likely no kids will be listening to the audio anyway. That's actually more or less the opposite of what I said, and gratuitous child killing is not something I am interested in listening to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 15:29:56 GMT
And I thought the prospect of him saving Adric was the most heinous thing he could do. I'm with Tony and Jason, not gratuitous killing but a remorselessness against anyone posing a clear and present danger and more willingness to change timelines if it saves lives
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Post by david on Oct 12, 2015 18:36:06 GMT
I think Daleksbuster ,or anyone, expecting a cold blooded murderer of a Doctor will be very disapointed. I don't think BF would want to make that story and I doubt the BBC brand team would let them if they did.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 12, 2015 18:45:59 GMT
I think Daleksbuster ,or anyone, expecting a cold blooded murderer of a Doctor will be very disapointed. I don't think BF would want to make that story and I doubt the BBC brand team would let them if they did. Yeah. You always want to push characters into new directions, and The War Doctor gives BF a unique oppurtunity that is rarely afforded to characters with 50 years of history. You want to push some limits and you want to come close to that line but the one thing you never want to do is cross that line. You never want to destroy that thing which defines a character in the mind of the people who follow it. As Bob Dylan once wrote, you can't unring a bell. The War Doctor being ruthless with his enemies is one thing. Clod blooded murder is quite another. Cold blooded murder of a child is quite another beyond. And as noted, BF is smart enough to know that and the BBC would never allow it is BF were to fall off their collective rockers and suggest it.
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Post by TheTimelordSpy on Oct 12, 2015 19:48:50 GMT
Now I'm not exactly saying what Dalekbuster is. The Doctor being a child killer without remorse isnt something i can see ever, but what I am saying is this needs to be the Darkest doctor weve seen he needs to go steps beyond 7s manipulation we need to see the doctor destroying enemy ships killing daleks and other things but with a small amount of remorse. We need to see this inner conflict between The Doctor and The Warrior.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 12, 2015 19:59:53 GMT
Yeah, he should break all the rules and go against what is deemed acceptable. Maybe even have him go darker than The Magician's Apprentice in that he actually kills a child given that it's likely no kids will be listening to the audio anyway. That's actually more or less the opposite of what I said, and gratuitous child killing is not something I am interested in listening to. If it was someone like Child Davros, though, who's going to grow up and become one of his most evil and greatest arch enemies.... I bet the War Doctor would have killed Child Davros if he was in that situation instead of 12.
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Post by TheTimelordSpy on Oct 12, 2015 20:08:38 GMT
Doubtful. If we remember 10 saying that he tried to save Davros when his ship flew into the nightmare child. He was either 8 or war at that time.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Oct 12, 2015 20:24:49 GMT
Doubtful. If we remember 10 saying that he tried to save Davros when his ship flew into the nightmare child. He was either 8 or war at that time. My money is on it being 8. War likely wouldn't care.
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Post by TheTimelordSpy on Oct 12, 2015 21:02:18 GMT
Doubtful. If we remember 10 saying that he tried to save Davros when his ship flew into the nightmare child. He was either 8 or war at that time. My money is on it being 8. War likely wouldn't care. Are we sure its 8? Seems strange for him to be on the front lines.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 12, 2015 22:00:08 GMT
Seasons of War has it as War who tried to save Davros, but the Season of War War Doctor always walked that "I'm not the Doctor, the Doctor would have done X" line more on the "Doctor" side than the "not" side. IMO The War Doctor was "hard" and "no first chances" but still fundamentally "the Doctor", until he activated The Moment and killed 2.47 billion children, in my mind that's what made the other Doctors reject him. He himself rejected the name because The Doctor could have stopped the War before it started but didn't, therefore he's not the Doctor, he'd have blown the entire complex up - he said as much to Cinder.
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Post by jasonward on Oct 12, 2015 22:38:43 GMT
War likely wouldn't care. You must have seen a different War Doctor to the one I saw.
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Post by TheTimelordSpy on Oct 12, 2015 23:34:41 GMT
Yeah War would care. War is an expert soldier ridden by PTSD and guilt. He wouldnt kill child davros without an extreme guilt.
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