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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 14:56:34 GMT
Its a funny thing, but I posted my own non too serious (i.e. facetious) thoughts into outside input from the *Experts* (over opinionated fandom) on another thread just two days ago: As per my thoughts above in this current thread and from what others here are saying, there are degrees of involvement from fans and as in all things, there is big gulf between interference and constructive guidance: notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/6409/producer-doctor-who?page=2&scrollTo=261545
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 19, 2020 21:22:04 GMT
No. It will just be a mess. And since a fandom is not consistent and different people have different ideas- who is to judge which part of the fandom is going to do the deciding? It will just cause more splits and arguments and hate in a fandom.
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Post by muckypup on Sept 19, 2020 21:44:21 GMT
i am not sure, i want to say yes....but i think fandoms feelings should be taken into account more than a direct input sorry to bring up the star wars monster but look at the mess Disney has created with there blanket reset of the star wars universe, then made a worse mess with the films and even bigger mess with course correction so absolutely fan feelings should have been listened to... but as to direct input look at dr who, the fans have taken over the franchise and look at the mess thats in......hehehe The course correction of Star Wars, such as the sidelining of Kelly Marie Tran, seemed to be a reaction to fandom! The problems with the new Star Wars movies was not having a plan going into a trilogy. As for fans taking over Dr Who. That has not happened. Established writers have been involved since the revival who sometimes happen to be fans but that is not the same as the premise of this thread - random fans being given a say in the franchise. very true on the star wars no proper plan, or story line........and how they thought that side-lining the droids, killing solo, changing Luke to an grade A ass-ole, would make fans happy beggars belief. but i could moan all day about star wars.......and no one wants to hear that...... The Who comment was just a light-hearted comment on the fact that a 3 show runners since the revival and big finish were fans before being in control
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Post by muckypup on Sept 19, 2020 22:00:59 GMT
i am not sure, i want to say yes....but i think fandoms feelings should be taken into account more than a direct input sorry to bring up the star wars monster but look at the mess Disney has created with there blanket reset of the star wars universe, then made a worse mess with the films and even bigger mess with course correction so absolutely fan feelings should have been listened to... but as to direct input look at dr who, the fans have taken over the franchise and look at the mess thats in......hehehe Yes, how dare they throw away a few thousand sales of $10 books about the Solo children being kidnapped for the 4000th time in favour of multibillion dollar movies. I'm sure they're crying all the way to the bank lol but that's the problem their not. they spent in excess of 10 billion pounds on the star wars universe and revenue is down year on year since 2017 they in panic mode with with it. their down in every area but the films (if we forget about solo) the comics sell 50% than dark horse did, books down, merch down even the theme park land drew in well below expectations. they pissed on the fans and they not coming back well not in the numbers they hoped. but this is a bit off topic so i will shut up
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 22:07:42 GMT
What fans though? Everyone is different... to give a [light-hearted] simple example; if I was the one having creative input to the Doctor Who show-runner there would be Daleks in Doctor Who every week, if JHD (or a.n.other) was the one having an input, there wouldn't be!!! So fans having a creative say might be fine if all fans of a particular franchise thought the same way, but they don't.
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Post by glutamodo on Sept 19, 2020 22:28:01 GMT
Me, I "walked with my feet" and walked away. I did not purchase or watch anything but some various clips of the latest series of Whittaker-Who. I'm still all fine with BF, but TV Who, until they make some major changes, I'm done with the TV show.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 19, 2020 22:53:19 GMT
Me, I "walked with my feet" and walked away. I did not purchase or watch anything but some various clips of the latest series of Whittaker-Who. I'm still all fine with BF, but TV Who, until they make some major changes, I'm done with the TV show. Why are you telling us this? Or is it an example of the type of fan who should be listened to? ?
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Post by constonks on Sept 22, 2020 23:05:27 GMT
Not overall - for all the reasons everyone has said, but small-scale contests are always fun. Doctor Who has been good for those, whether it be "design a monster" or "write a Short Trip".
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Post by polly on Sept 23, 2020 20:11:25 GMT
Direct input, no. It would create the same too many cooks, design by committee problems that you get when there's 17 different executive producers who all want their say.
But, I think that for all the artistry that goes into it, mass entertainment is a business. And therefore should aim to keep their customers happy if at all possible. That doesn't mean you should have your hands tied by the whims of what are often very fractious fandoms, but when there's a significant backlash over XYZ, I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to write the fans off as just a bunch of nutcakes, either.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 23, 2020 20:18:32 GMT
Direct input, no. It would create the same too many cooks, design by committee problems that you get when there's 17 different executive producers who all want their say. But, I think that for all the artistry that goes into it, mass entertainment is a business. And therefore should aim to keep their customers happy if at all possible. That doesn't mean you should have your hands tied by the whims of what are often very fractious fandoms, but when there's a significant backlash over XYZ, I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to write the fans off as just a bunch of nutcakes, either. The problem is what is defined as a significant backlash? In terms of viewing figures a handful of people on social media writing in CAPS how rubbish they think the show is isn't significant, despite the fact they think they are.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 23, 2020 20:28:48 GMT
Direct input, no. It would create the same too many cooks, design by committee problems that you get when there's 17 different executive producers who all want their say. But, I think that for all the artistry that goes into it, mass entertainment is a business. And therefore should aim to keep their customers happy if at all possible. That doesn't mean you should have your hands tied by the whims of what are often very fractious fandoms, but when there's a significant backlash over XYZ, I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to write the fans off as just a bunch of nutcakes, either. The problem is what is defined as a significant backlash? In terms of viewing figures a handful of people on social media writing in CAPS how rubbish they think the show is isn't significant, despite the fact they think they are. Star Wars being the exception? Ryan Johnson's vision was bad because it ignored/ got rid off what little new information had been established than doubled down in promotion by saying "what's the problem"? Regards mark687
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Post by polly on Sept 23, 2020 20:31:44 GMT
The problem is what is defined as a significant backlash? In terms of viewing figures a handful of people on social media writing in CAPS how rubbish they think the show is isn't significant, despite the fact they think they are. I would define significant as consistent, sustained complaints from sizable groups of people. It's not really a hard and fast rule. I would be inclined to agree that Twitter fights aren't really the best yardstick. However, it's easy to write off critical feedback as a vocal minority, so I think it's worth seeing if it's a symptom of a wider problem. In Doctor Who's case, I think it is. There are a lot of people who have either lost interest in the new series or actively dislike it, if the downward trend in ratings is anything to go by. Capaldi's era trended downward, and after an initial spike with Series 11, it seems 12 is down from that also. So, if I were in a position to do anything about it, I'd be trying to figure out why, nutcakes or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 18:14:34 GMT
Me, I "walked with my feet" and walked away. I did not purchase or watch anything but some various clips of the latest series of Whittaker-Who. I'm still all fine with BF, but TV Who, until they make some major changes, I'm done with the TV show. Why are you telling us this? Or is it an example of the type of fan who should be listened to? ? I kind of did same..I did try I stood many times in HMV wanting to pay for the DVD or Blu Ray and really couldn’t...maybe some day but at moment ...nope
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 25, 2020 18:23:40 GMT
Why are you telling us this? Or is it an example of the type of fan who should be listened to? ? I kind of did same..I did try I stood many times in HMV wanting to pay for the DVD or Blu Ray and really couldn’t...maybe some day but at moment ...nope Why are you telling us this?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 18:26:49 GMT
I kind of did same..I did try I stood many times in HMV wanting to pay for the DVD or Blu Ray and really couldn’t...maybe some day but at moment ...nope Why are you telling us this? More supportive of Glutomodos take as for fans getting creative am all for it I mean Matt Fitton John Dorney, Briggs,Adams,Barnes all of them are fans and I would definitely hand them the reigns...
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 25, 2020 20:14:57 GMT
Why are you telling us this? More supportive of Glutomodos take as for fans getting creative am all for it I mean Matt Fitton John Dorney, Briggs,Adams,Barnes all of them are fans and I would definitely hand them the reigns... But its not about fans who are in the industry. Just the great unwashed, & whether they should have a say in the content of the show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 20:21:29 GMT
More supportive of Glutomodos take as for fans getting creative am all for it I mean Matt Fitton John Dorney, Briggs,Adams,Barnes all of them are fans and I would definitely hand them the reigns... But its not about fans who are in the industry. Just the great unwashed, & whether they should have a say in the content of the show. Unwashed 😂😂😂😂
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 25, 2020 20:31:42 GMT
But its not about fans who are in the industry. Just the great unwashed, & whether they should have a say in the content of the show. Unwashed 😂😂😂😂 Yeah people like us...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 20:32:41 GMT
Unwashed 😂😂😂😂 Yeah people like us... Nah...am an Aqua di Parma man lol...am more the great not sober tonight
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 20:34:26 GMT
More supportive of Glutomodos take as for fans getting creative am all for it I mean Matt Fitton John Dorney, Briggs,Adams,Barnes all of them are fans and I would definitely hand them the reigns... But its not about fans who are in the industry. Just the great unwashed, & whether they should have a say in the content of the show. Fans of the show keep the show alive. New fans come and old fans go. I thought STRANDED would be totally brilliant idea...what the f... do I know let me no where near it
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