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Post by newt5996 on Mar 23, 2017 14:01:05 GMT
Giving this one a relisten and god I forgot why this was my favorite NA until I read Lungbarrow. Just a great adaptation with an excellent cast.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 23, 2017 14:25:44 GMT
Giving this one a relisten and god I forgot why this was my favorite NA until I read Lungbarrow. Just a great adaptation with an excellent cast. So are you saying you like Lungbarrow?
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 23, 2017 16:08:14 GMT
Giving this one a relisten and god I forgot why this was my favorite NA until I read Lungbarrow. Just a great adaptation with an excellent cast. So are you saying you like Lungbarrow? That's a bit of an understatement: I feel it's the apex of the VNAs. I wrote a 1500 review on how great the thing is:https://jacoblickliderreviews.blogspot.com/2016/12/lungbarrow-by-marc-platt-cartmel-master.html?m=1
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 23, 2017 17:32:02 GMT
So are you saying you like Lungbarrow? That's a bit of an understatement: I feel it's the apex of the VNAs. I wrote a 1500 review on how great the thing is:https://jacoblickliderreviews.blogspot.com/2016/12/lungbarrow-by-marc-platt-cartmel-master.html?m=1 Just read that. To each their own I suppose. I have read Lungbarrow a few times, and it's a fascinating little read, which is why I read it more than once, but...for me now, in my my headspace, it's BS. Then again I felt the Cartmel Masterplan diminished the Doctor as a person for the sake of "adding mystery!". Anyway. Ghostlight was miles better IMO.
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Post by relativetime on Mar 23, 2017 17:36:59 GMT
That's a bit of an understatement: I feel it's the apex of the VNAs. I wrote a 1500 review on how great the thing is:https://jacoblickliderreviews.blogspot.com/2016/12/lungbarrow-by-marc-platt-cartmel-master.html?m=1 Just read that. To each their own I suppose. I have read Lungbarrow a few times, and it's a fascinating little read, which is why I read it more than once, but...for me now, in my my headspace, it's BS. Then again I felt the Cartmel Masterplan diminished the Doctor as a person for the sake of "adding mystery!". Anyway. Ghostlight was miles better IMO. Yeah, I'm pretty fifty-fifty on the Cartmel Masterplan. On the one hand, I really loved the mystery it added to the Seventh Doctor's character, but on the other hand it really does make the Doctor a bit too "special" or too close to being the universe's ultimate authority, which is definitely something I don't think the Doctor should ever be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 18:03:53 GMT
So are you saying you like Lungbarrow? That's a bit of an understatement: I feel it's the apex of the VNAs. I wrote a 1500 review on how great the thing is The Apex of the New Adventures? [cough] Lungbarrow?!! Wow! I beg to differ, but I am glad that you liked it. That's what makes Doctor Who so great, we all like different things. Just War would be my favourite Virgin NA.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 23, 2017 18:30:15 GMT
That's a bit of an understatement: I feel it's the apex of the VNAs. I wrote a 1500 review on how great the thing is The Apex of the New Adventures? [cough] Lungbarrow?!! Wow! I beg to differ, but I am glad that you liked it. That's what makes Doctor Who so great, we all like different things. Just War would be my favourite Virgin NA. I actually prefer the Benny Audio version, it's far tenser when the Doctor isn't there to solve things.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 3:53:03 GMT
So are you saying you like Lungbarrow? That's a bit of an understatement: I feel it's the apex of the VNAs. I wrote a 1500 review on how great the thing is:https://jacoblickliderreviews.blogspot.com/2016/12/lungbarrow-by-marc-platt-cartmel-master.html?m=1 I always have a really hard time choosing a favourite New Adventure, although Lungbarrow always seems to find its way towards the top after every time I read it. Outside of maybe Lance Parkin's The Infinity Doctors which incorporated everything, it's the definitive depiction of Gallifrey for me. It exudes this wonderfully powerful sense of place and acts as an extension of The Deadly Assassin's first detailed look into Time Lord society. It's all so wonderfully crafted, intricately detailed and it breathes in that marvellous way that the VNAs were so very good at doing. I wouldn't be writing stories now if it weren't for that little bundle of controversy, it occupies a very special place in my heart.
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Post by newt5996 on Mar 24, 2017 13:56:12 GMT
That's a bit of an understatement: I feel it's the apex of the VNAs. I wrote a 1500 review on how great the thing is The Apex of the New Adventures? [cough] Lungbarrow?!! Wow! I beg to differ, but I am glad that you liked it. That's what makes Doctor Who so great, we all like different things. Just War would be my favourite Virgin NA. Just War gets the same score, I just prefer Lungbarrow personally because I think I prefer Platt's prose just a tiny bit more than Lance Parkin's.
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Post by constonks on Apr 3, 2017 12:08:21 GMT
I'll go on record as having really liked Lungbarrow. Once I started reading it I couldn't put it down. I loved all the little touches of Gallifreyan life - right down to board/card games. It might not gel with every other Doctor Who story but that doesn't mean it's garbage.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 4, 2018 20:37:17 GMT
This feels like the one that had the most difficult transition to audio, feeling a bit choppy in places.
Despite this it was fairly enjoyable. The Doctor and Benny get some nice interactions with Holmes and Watson and Nick Briggs' Holmes is a decent take on the character. Ace gets the short straw material-wise, not really doing anything of much note. I did prefer the 'Victorians invading another world' premise rather than the eventually revealed 'evil being of vast powers with booming voice is behind it all' plot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 20:48:28 GMT
Much as i will listen to it and enjoy it it always annoys me that it is Holmes and Watson as i have said before i prefer my Doctor to meet real life characters and not fictional ones am not a fan of crossovers at all. I can even fit two versions of Shada in a timey wimey fashion but some things do not gel for me. But when it all comes down to it its just a lot of stories anyway.Dont be putting Doctor Who into the Sherlock range it was bad enough putting the invisible man storyline lol😝🤣
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Post by mark687 on Sept 4, 2018 20:53:01 GMT
Much as i will listen to it and enjoy it it always annoys me that it is Holmes and Watson as i have said before i prefer my Doctor to meet real life characters and not fictional ones am not a fan of crossovers at all. I can even fit two versions of Shada in a timey wimey fashion but some things do not gel for me. But when it all comes down to it its just a lot of stories anyway.Dont be putting Doctor Who into the Sherlock range it was bad enough putting the invisible man storyline lol😝🤣 Agreed its a good story and the concept should gel better then it does, but still enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 20:55:38 GMT
Just read that. To each their own I suppose. I have read Lungbarrow a few times, and it's a fascinating little read, which is why I read it more than once, but...for me now, in my my headspace, it's BS. Then again I felt the Cartmel Masterplan diminished the Doctor as a person for the sake of "adding mystery!". Anyway. Ghostlight was miles better IMO. Yeah, I'm pretty fifty-fifty on the Cartmel Masterplan. On the one hand, I really loved the mystery it added to the Seventh Doctor's character, but on the other hand it really does make the Doctor a bit too "special" or too close to being the universe's ultimate authority, which is definitely something I don't think the Doctor should ever be. Yes the Doctor is not a God. Personally he acted like one giving River an electronic afterlife for a man who has seen so much of life and the universe but he cannot believe in some sort of afterlife lol😎 life he had really met Satan in the Impossible planet,i would have thought twice about doing that 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 22:28:22 GMT
Yeah, I'm pretty fifty-fifty on the Cartmel Masterplan. On the one hand, I really loved the mystery it added to the Seventh Doctor's character, but on the other hand it really does make the Doctor a bit too "special" or too close to being the universe's ultimate authority, which is definitely something I don't think the Doctor should ever be. Yes the Doctor is not a God. Personally he acted like one giving River an electronic afterlife for a man who has seen so much of life and the universe but he cannot believe in some sort of afterlife lol😎 life he had really met Satan in the Impossible planet,i would have thought twice about doing that 😂 I was about to ask: "I wonder what a Time Lord sees on his final regeneration?" but then I realised, when they die, their mind is uploaded into the Matrix. He gave her a Gallifreyan burial, I only just got that. Oh, that's clever. An interesting thing about the NAs is that they struck me as following the same tenants of Sapphire and Steel almost. The Doctor is grand, mysterious, powerful, dangerous... Who else could negotiate with a fleet of sentient warships on a lounge chair in deep space? But he always managed to come up against things far nastier than he was ("There are powerful beings and then there are powerful beings." *waggles eyebrows*). Forces even grander, more alien than he was. All-Consuming Fire's a bit of a cute subversion in that regard, the eldritch horror in question isn't the genuine article but an imitator.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 5, 2018 11:24:15 GMT
Yes the Doctor is not a God. Personally he acted like one giving River an electronic afterlife for a man who has seen so much of life and the universe but he cannot believe in some sort of afterlife lol😎 life he had really met Satan in the Impossible planet,i would have thought twice about doing that 😂 I was about to ask: "I wonder what a Time Lord sees on his final regeneration?" but then I realised, when they die, their mind is uploaded into the Matrix. He gave her a Gallifreyan burial, I only just got that. Oh, that's clever. OMG i just got that too. Didnt think of it. That is really clever
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 11:44:28 GMT
I was about to ask: "I wonder what a Time Lord sees on his final regeneration?" but then I realised, when they die, their mind is uploaded into the Matrix. He gave her a Gallifreyan burial, I only just got that. Oh, that's clever. OMG i just got that too. Didnt think of it. That is really clever Or really arrogant and stupid...they sacrifice themselves into an electronic existence when there could be something more.Hell is of your own choosing so to speak.Did they create that Matrix style afterlife in fear there may be nothing else?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 23:04:02 GMT
OMG i just got that too. Didnt think of it. That is really clever Or really arrogant and stupid...they sacrifice themselves into an electronic existence when there could be something more.Hell is of your own choosing so to speak.Did they create that Matrix style afterlife in fear there may be nothing else? You know, I'm not actually sure. It survives the first destruction of Gallifrey as a lifeboat and gives them the chance to be resurrected (after a fashion), but the creation of the Matrix isn't really discussed anywhere... "A Matrix occurs" is as close as they get to an origin for it. Kinda freaky when you think about it. There's this giant supercomputer containing a microuniverse of information and no one wants to talk about where it came from. Not even the people who supposedly built it, yet they give their dead over to it. Brrr~There are some serious implications there.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 9, 2019 19:55:21 GMT
I devoured this story today.
It's another novel adaptation with a strange structure, with lots of narration, slow pacing for the first three parts and frantic for the final part and Part Two is dedicated almost entirely to Holmes & Watson. The former of which is widely praised within the story, but ultimately has little impact on events.
And yet it's really good and lots of fun. Nicholas Briggs is almost too good as Holmes! Is it just me, or does Sylvester play the Doctor differently in this one? A lot more kindly, you can imagine him with a twinkle in his eye; it's good stuff. Bernice is well served, despite her fleeting appearance. Ace feels like she's only included because she's in the original novel. I think her brief lines at the beginning of each part detract more than they intrigue and I think her role could have been cut without issue.
I loved the post-credits scene!
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Post by Ela on Apr 9, 2019 23:26:57 GMT
I listened to this a while ago. I thought it was a good adaptation of the novel. And I always love Lisa Bowerman as Benny. I can't remember feeling that Ace was marginal in the audio story. She certainly had a role to play in the novel. But then again, my brain doesn't necessarily absorb the audio story and the written story differently - I may mentally insert the things I know from the novel into what I am hearing on audio without being consciously aware of it.
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