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Post by theillusiveman on Dec 9, 2020 7:51:06 GMT
its funny the synopsis of all the stories involves The Tenth Doctor clearing up fallout from the time war am i the only one thinking that it should have been the ninth doctor to do all that?
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Post by Whovitt on Dec 9, 2020 8:59:06 GMT
While I'll have to add my voice to the group saying that I would have preferred any other companions for this set, that doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to it. It just feels like there are characters that could really use some post-travel fleshing out of the time lines, and all of the characters we're getting here have had loads of post-travel stories. Still, I don't dislike any of them either, so this will be something to look forward to. I'm not getting excited about it now though - with nearly two years to go before release there's not much point getting excited now, especially with the Ninth Doctor Adventures and Dalek Universe both kicking off in less than six months...
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Post by shallacatop on Dec 9, 2020 9:31:34 GMT
Fair enough. On reflection I think I spoke overly harshly there. I am willing to be persuaded by further details on Dalek Universe, just not convinced by what was announced initially. I think the longer post I did on the second page better articulates my frustrations atm. That’s all fine. I always find it a little odd that for a series taking place in an existing universe, there seems to be a cut off point for originality. The Doctor and Nyssa is fine... but the moment you add Daleks, it can’t be original. Doctor and Rose is fine, but Doctor and River can’t be original. I understand the feeling, but certainly it can sometimes be easier to get something original out of something old - new ideas aren’t truly new after all, they tend to be two or more old ideas put together in a new way (that’s a general truism, not just Dr Who stuff). Certainly, one of my first thoughts when dealing with an old villain/monster is to wonder what new angle there is. Appreciate you're using original / originality based on sherlock's initial post, but I think his second post articulates his point much better. Every single Tenth Doctor story announced this year has had some sort of marketing crutch for it; all of them returning elements. That's really the cause of frustration. You can have an original story out of something old, but it still boils down to another story with Leela, Daleks, Davros, etc. If you're fatigued, then you're fatigued. Or if you'd prefer a Tenth Doctor story without any returning companions, monsters, etc. Well, that's just what you'd prefer. It doesn't mean you can't or won't enjoy the story being released, but you'd have preferred something else. It's not about adding, say, Daleks to a story and then deciding it can't be original. It's more getting a brilliant announcement in itself and then throwing in Daleks, Leela, etc. to boot. The above aren't all my personal views, but I can certainly empathise. I suffer from Leela fatigue, but I'll be getting this set and listening with an open mind. I'm sure I'll enjoy the story, and I appreciate that Leela is popular and a Big Finish regular and the circumstances in which this set was created and recorded, but I personally would prefer another companion. I'd go as far to say I'd have preferred a set without old companions, but that's not necessarily the direct alternative.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 9, 2020 9:32:42 GMT
More of my Lizzie Windsors for bank of Big Finish.
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Post by shallacatop on Dec 9, 2020 9:50:41 GMT
I don't think it reads as a rant, and I mean no disrespect, but the reasons you've provided are the typical cop out answers when someone is pleased with the announcement and wants to reply to criticism... without actually offering an opinion. Big Finish are naturally going to use team ups, it's bread and butter to them. They're fans making stories for other fans. That's the top and bottom of it. I think you're kidding yourself if you think that Big Finish have to pair David Tennant with any other form of returning element. He sells regardless of what he's doing. The views of a writer or their script is obviously going to differ down to the individual consuming it, but just because they may enjoy the story doesn't affect their view that they'd have preferred something else. Ultimately, it doesn't matter who writes or produces if you're concern is that you'd prefer three other companions with Ten or a completely different product. Of course, nobody is forcing the individual to buy it, but that doesn't mean they can't voice their opinions. I don't believe anybody's outright stated they don't want to buy the set, some have merely voiced their concern over it involving the three most used companions in the whole of Big Finish. If you have fatigue, then you have fatigue. Ultimately, these are stories that are very much a product of the situation we're in. David Tennant has become available and an influx of material has been scripted and recorded with him. I tend to think the default to this quick turnarounds or these influx of releases is to attach a gimmick to them just because getting additional time with David is a luxury and Big Finish are looking out for the family they've amassed over 20+ years. Having said that, I don't think it's wrong to prefer something else or a different cast. You just have to look at the 19 Tenth Doctor titles we've had announced this year; not one of them is " just" him on his own or " just" a set of regular adventures. They've all got some extra bit of marketing attached to them. The closest to the aforementioned regular adventures is probably the River Song set. Personally, Ten is my Doctor so more David Tennant is always welcome, but if it wasn't for Dalek Universe explicitly doing a new series of Tenth Doctor Adventures, albeit one wrapped up in plenty of returning elements, I think I'd be a bit more critical. Again, no disrespect to you personally, Mark. I understand where you're coming from, but I think posts like that are flawed and a bit holier than thou, even if they're not intended to be. (I know I said I was tapping out but..) THIS ^^^ I was drawn to Who during the Tennant era. He was my first Doctor. By all rights, this should be a slam dunk buy. But as I said initially, I’m only wavering. I may still get this (got nearly two years to decide after all), and am well-aware that no-one is forcing me to. The stories that made me like that era, that made me like Who in the first place, were the latter half of Series 2. Stories like Girl in Fireplace, Idiot’s Lantern, Impossible Planet, etc. New, exciting. When I started with School Reunion the significance of Sarah Jane meant nothing to me and I had no idea what the Cybermen were before they reappeared. And that carried on, Series 3 and 4 continued innovation and pushing Tennant’s Doctor to new places. So that’s what the Tennant era is to me, it was new and fresh and not beholden to decades of continuity, with a lead who could go new places. It’s why I’m liking TLV so much. The Knight, The Fool and The Dead genuinely feels like a continuation of that era. It’s in a new time zone, most of the aliens are new, Ten’s character is challenged and the themes link to the original Tennant era. So that’s why I’m disappointed here. Because that’s the kind of storytelling I’d want from more Tennant, and it doesn’t feel like it’s coming. It feels like his Doctor is becoming just a vehicle for more the fanficy ideas and thrown from continuity-laden event story to continuity-laden event story. And that frustrates me. Anyway I’ve said my piece now. Completely understand where you're coming from there. I started watching just one week before you with Tooth & Claw, but I have the exact same feelings about the Tennant era as you. TLV really does capture the spirit of that era, had we ever gotten a miniseries following The Waters of Mars, with it being both a continuation, yet striving to push into different places. It does have Daleks and other Doctors in, but it's part of a larger narrative and as you say, the themes come back to being authentically Tennant. It's why I'm not being too critical of Dalek Universe at the moment, as I think it's going for a similar thing, and I think with more information it will feel more rounded. The initial announcement was a bit of a checklist of returning elements, but I am confident it's substantially more than that. Maybe a little unfortunate to have been crafted in parallel with Time Lord Victorious, in hindsight, but fortunately being released a couple of months after it's winded down.
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Post by Whovitt on Dec 9, 2020 10:01:56 GMT
(I know I said I was tapping out but..) THIS ^^^ I was drawn to Who during the Tennant era. He was my first Doctor. By all rights, this should be a slam dunk buy. But as I said initially, I’m only wavering. I may still get this (got nearly two years to decide after all), and am well-aware that no-one is forcing me to. The stories that made me like that era, that made me like Who in the first place, were the latter half of Series 2. Stories like Girl in Fireplace, Idiot’s Lantern, Impossible Planet, etc. New, exciting. When I started with School Reunion the significance of Sarah Jane meant nothing to me and I had no idea what the Cybermen were before they reappeared. And that carried on, Series 3 and 4 continued innovation and pushing Tennant’s Doctor to new places. So that’s what the Tennant era is to me, it was new and fresh and not beholden to decades of continuity, with a lead who could go new places. It’s why I’m liking TLV so much. The Knight, The Fool and The Dead genuinely feels like a continuation of that era. It’s in a new time zone, most of the aliens are new, Ten’s character is challenged and the themes link to the original Tennant era. So that’s why I’m disappointed here. Because that’s the kind of storytelling I’d want from more Tennant, and it doesn’t feel like it’s coming. It feels like his Doctor is becoming just a vehicle for more the fanficy ideas and thrown from continuity-laden event story to continuity-laden event story. And that frustrates me. Anyway I’ve said my piece now. Completely understand where you're coming from there. I started watching just one week before you with Tooth & Claw, but I have the exact same feelings about the Tennant era as you. TLV really does capture the spirit of that era, had we ever gotten a miniseries following The Waters of Mars, with it being both a continuation, yet striving to push into different places. It does have Daleks and other Doctors in, but it's part of a larger narrative and as you say, the themes come back to being authentically Tennant. It's why I'm not being too critical of Dalek Universe at the moment, as I think it's going for a similar thing, and I think with more information it will feel more rounded. The initial announcement was a bit of a checklist of returning elements, but I am confident it's substantially more than that. Maybe a little unfortunate to have been crafted in parallel with Time Lord Victorious, in hindsight, but fortunately being released a couple of months after it's winded down.One of the things I'm looking forward to learning in the behind the scenes of Dalek Universe is when the idea was floated to do it. We know now that Out of Time had been planned ages ago but only happened this year because both Tom and David were available to do it. I wonder if Dalek Universe was something else that was waiting in the wings or whether the whole thing was devise, written, and recorded this year? If the latter, that's one hell of a turnaround for a 9-part series! (Unless we actually know the answer to this already and I've missed it, in which case I'm sure someone here on the forum will be kind enough to inform me)
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Post by dorney on Dec 9, 2020 10:09:28 GMT
That’s all fine. I always find it a little odd that for a series taking place in an existing universe, there seems to be a cut off point for originality. The Doctor and Nyssa is fine... but the moment you add Daleks, it can’t be original. Doctor and Rose is fine, but Doctor and River can’t be original. I understand the feeling, but certainly it can sometimes be easier to get something original out of something old - new ideas aren’t truly new after all, they tend to be two or more old ideas put together in a new way (that’s a general truism, not just Dr Who stuff). Certainly, one of my first thoughts when dealing with an old villain/monster is to wonder what new angle there is. Appreciate you're using original / originality based on sherlock 's initial post, but I think his second post articulates his point much better. Every single Tenth Doctor story announced this year has had some sort of marketing crutch for it; all of them returning elements. That's really the cause of frustration. You can have an original story out of something old, but it still boils down to another story with Leela, Daleks, Davros, etc. If you're fatigued, then you're fatigued. Or if you'd prefer a Tenth Doctor story without any returning companions, monsters, etc. Well, that's just what you'd prefer. It doesn't mean you can't or won't enjoy the story being released, but you'd have preferred something else. It's not about adding, say, Daleks to a story and then deciding it can't be original. It's more getting a brilliant announcement in itself and then throwing in Daleks, Leela, etc. to boot. The above aren't all my personal views, but I can certainly empathise. I suffer from Leela fatigue, but I'll be getting this set and listening with an open mind. I'm sure I'll enjoy the story, and I appreciate that Leela is popular and a Big Finish regular and the circumstances in which this set was created and recorded, but I personally would prefer another companion. I'd go as far to say I'd have preferred a set without old companions, but that's not necessarily the direct alternative. I mean, I can understand where you’re coming from, but these are press releases. Naturally they’re going to lean on marketing angles. That’s kind of their job. It doesn’t necessarily follow that the stories themselves do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 10:21:06 GMT
Appreciate you're using original / originality based on sherlock 's initial post, but I think his second post articulates his point much better. Every single Tenth Doctor story announced this year has had some sort of marketing crutch for it; all of them returning elements. That's really the cause of frustration. You can have an original story out of something old, but it still boils down to another story with Leela, Daleks, Davros, etc. If you're fatigued, then you're fatigued. Or if you'd prefer a Tenth Doctor story without any returning companions, monsters, etc. Well, that's just what you'd prefer. It doesn't mean you can't or won't enjoy the story being released, but you'd have preferred something else. It's not about adding, say, Daleks to a story and then deciding it can't be original. It's more getting a brilliant announcement in itself and then throwing in Daleks, Leela, etc. to boot. The above aren't all my personal views, but I can certainly empathise. I suffer from Leela fatigue, but I'll be getting this set and listening with an open mind. I'm sure I'll enjoy the story, and I appreciate that Leela is popular and a Big Finish regular and the circumstances in which this set was created and recorded, but I personally would prefer another companion. I'd go as far to say I'd have preferred a set without old companions, but that's not necessarily the direct alternative. I mean, I can understand where you’re coming from, but these are press releases. Naturally they’re going to lean on marketing angles. That’s kind of their job. It doesn’t necessarily follow that the stories themselves do. I think any kind of fatigue is inevitable really.My own fatigue came with the endless spin offs and was easily sorted I stopped reading watching listening to WHO or who related material for a few months and got on with the endless wealth of other material available on audio.When I came back i was totally refreshed and then delved into those that I had missed. The crossovers are fine and no longer bother me as they used to do .The Daleks are easily sorted lol give them a rest store them till you are ready.I also at one point was like Louise is in everything but let’s be honest she was the only companion available before Lalla joined Tom then I was able to juggle companions. Marketing it sells...but am more interested in the fact...will it be a good story and enjoyable? My recent brush with 10 and River was one easily sorted....Not all in one go...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 10:26:23 GMT
As long as I enjoy the ride...stick who you want in...well apart from him meeting Jack 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by grinch on Dec 9, 2020 10:27:49 GMT
To be honest, I’m just more curious to know whether the Spriggans in Leela’s story are any relation to the Fairies in Torchwood at all.
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Post by dorney on Dec 9, 2020 10:50:45 GMT
To be honest, I’m just more curious to know whether the Spriggans in Leela’s story are any relation to the Fairies in Torchwood at all. There is just one and no.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 10:53:01 GMT
To be honest, I’m just more curious to know whether the Spriggans in Leela’s story are any relation to the Fairies in Torchwood at all. If it means a cross over 😉😂 I will pray not 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 10:54:06 GMT
To be honest, I’m just more curious to know whether the Spriggans in Leela’s story are any relation to the Fairies in Torchwood at all. There is just one and no. That sound you hear....a sigh of relief😎
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Post by xlozdob on Dec 9, 2020 11:02:37 GMT
(I know I said I was tapping out but..) THIS ^^^ I was drawn to Who during the Tennant era. He was my first Doctor. By all rights, this should be a slam dunk buy. But as I said initially, I’m only wavering. I may still get this (got nearly two years to decide after all), and am well-aware that no-one is forcing me to. The stories that made me like that era, that made me like Who in the first place, were the latter half of Series 2. Stories like Girl in Fireplace, Idiot’s Lantern, Impossible Planet, etc. New, exciting. When I started with School Reunion the significance of Sarah Jane meant nothing to me and I had no idea what the Cybermen were before they reappeared. And that carried on, Series 3 and 4 continued innovation and pushing Tennant’s Doctor to new places. So that’s what the Tennant era is to me, it was new and fresh and not beholden to decades of continuity, with a lead who could go new places. It’s why I’m liking TLV so much. The Knight, The Fool and The Dead genuinely feels like a continuation of that era. It’s in a new time zone, most of the aliens are new, Ten’s character is challenged and the themes link to the original Tennant era. So that’s why I’m disappointed here. Because that’s the kind of storytelling I’d want from more Tennant, and it doesn’t feel like it’s coming. It feels like his Doctor is becoming just a vehicle for more the fanficy ideas and thrown from continuity-laden event story to continuity-laden event story. And that frustrates me. Anyway I’ve said my piece now. See? For me, it's the complete opposite. Until they've got a new companion and/or a new arc, just doing stand-alone adventures with the same characters (not saying I didn't enjoy the Donna releases) just dilutes the fictional universe too much. We've probably got 500 different planets from all around the show and expanded media that are basically the same but with a different name. So, for me exploring past relationships (and past trauma), for example, like this set seems to be doing, helps keep the character and universe focused. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for a "forward-looking" (whatever that is) new era with Ten like Titan have carved out, but for now, exploring all these things the show couldn't is also really interesting. Maybe they're all coming out (or at least, being announced) too closely together, but, idk, it doesn't bother me because Tennant already had a good era on the show, now let's connect it to what came before and see how it affects that present.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 11:06:48 GMT
(I know I said I was tapping out but..) THIS ^^^ I was drawn to Who during the Tennant era. He was my first Doctor. By all rights, this should be a slam dunk buy. But as I said initially, I’m only wavering. I may still get this (got nearly two years to decide after all), and am well-aware that no-one is forcing me to. The stories that made me like that era, that made me like Who in the first place, were the latter half of Series 2. Stories like Girl in Fireplace, Idiot’s Lantern, Impossible Planet, etc. New, exciting. When I started with School Reunion the significance of Sarah Jane meant nothing to me and I had no idea what the Cybermen were before they reappeared. And that carried on, Series 3 and 4 continued innovation and pushing Tennant’s Doctor to new places. So that’s what the Tennant era is to me, it was new and fresh and not beholden to decades of continuity, with a lead who could go new places. It’s why I’m liking TLV so much. The Knight, The Fool and The Dead genuinely feels like a continuation of that era. It’s in a new time zone, most of the aliens are new, Ten’s character is challenged and the themes link to the original Tennant era. So that’s why I’m disappointed here. Because that’s the kind of storytelling I’d want from more Tennant, and it doesn’t feel like it’s coming. It feels like his Doctor is becoming just a vehicle for more the fanficy ideas and thrown from continuity-laden event story to continuity-laden event story. And that frustrates me. Anyway I’ve said my piece now. See? For me, it's the complete opposite. Until they've got a new companion and/or a new arc, just doing stand-alone adventures with the same characters (not saying I didn't enjoy the Donna releases) just dilutes the fictional universe too much. We've probably got 500 different planets from all around the show and expanded media that are basically the same but with a different name. So, for me exploring past relationships (and past trauma), for example, like this set seems to be doing, helps keep the character and universe focused. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for a "forward-looking" (whatever that is) new era with Ten like Titan have carved out, but for now, exploring all these things the show couldn't is also really interesting. Maybe they're all coming out (or at least, being announced) too closely together, but, idk, it doesn't bother me because Tennant already had a good era on the show, now let's connect it to what came before and see how it affects that present. I feel after initial reservations Dalek Universe might be something different and would be exciting if it did not include any old characters
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 9, 2020 11:07:45 GMT
Appreciate you're using original / originality based on sherlock 's initial post, but I think his second post articulates his point much better. Every single Tenth Doctor story announced this year has had some sort of marketing crutch for it; all of them returning elements. That's really the cause of frustration. You can have an original story out of something old, but it still boils down to another story with Leela, Daleks, Davros, etc. If you're fatigued, then you're fatigued. Or if you'd prefer a Tenth Doctor story without any returning companions, monsters, etc. Well, that's just what you'd prefer. It doesn't mean you can't or won't enjoy the story being released, but you'd have preferred something else. It's not about adding, say, Daleks to a story and then deciding it can't be original. It's more getting a brilliant announcement in itself and then throwing in Daleks, Leela, etc. to boot. The above aren't all my personal views, but I can certainly empathise. I suffer from Leela fatigue, but I'll be getting this set and listening with an open mind. I'm sure I'll enjoy the story, and I appreciate that Leela is popular and a Big Finish regular and the circumstances in which this set was created and recorded, but I personally would prefer another companion. I'd go as far to say I'd have preferred a set without old companions, but that's not necessarily the direct alternative. I mean, I can understand where you’re coming from, but these are press releases. Naturally they’re going to lean on marketing angles. That’s kind of their job. It doesn’t necessarily follow that the stories themselves do. As an aside, and not directly relevant to the point under discussion, but if the marketing leans one way and emphasises one particular aspect of the stories, but that emphasis is not borne out by actual content of the stories themselves, then BF are giving themselves a different problem - mismanaged expectations and disappointed customers.
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Post by xlozdob on Dec 9, 2020 11:17:05 GMT
See? For me, it's the complete opposite. Until they've got a new companion and/or a new arc, just doing stand-alone adventures with the same characters (not saying I didn't enjoy the Donna releases) just dilutes the fictional universe too much. We've probably got 500 different planets from all around the show and expanded media that are basically the same but with a different name. So, for me exploring past relationships (and past trauma), for example, like this set seems to be doing, helps keep the character and universe focused. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for a "forward-looking" (whatever that is) new era with Ten like Titan have carved out, but for now, exploring all these things the show couldn't is also really interesting. Maybe they're all coming out (or at least, being announced) too closely together, but, idk, it doesn't bother me because Tennant already had a good era on the show, now let's connect it to what came before and see how it affects that present. I feel after initial reservations Dalek Universe might be something different and would be exciting if it did not include any old characters I just don't understand why old characters immediately means unexciting for some people. There's always new sides to explore, especially if they haven't seen each other for a long time and/or they left things unresolved. Like, for example, I can understand the problem with Ace in the 7th Doctor's audios, the characterisation is a bit inconsistent and her experiences don't inform changes in her behaviour (at least not notably enough). But that's after the fact, after you've listened to them and see how it was done. Before, it's kind of like crying wolf.
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Post by shallacatop on Dec 9, 2020 11:22:56 GMT
Appreciate you're using original / originality based on sherlock 's initial post, but I think his second post articulates his point much better. Every single Tenth Doctor story announced this year has had some sort of marketing crutch for it; all of them returning elements. That's really the cause of frustration. You can have an original story out of something old, but it still boils down to another story with Leela, Daleks, Davros, etc. If you're fatigued, then you're fatigued. Or if you'd prefer a Tenth Doctor story without any returning companions, monsters, etc. Well, that's just what you'd prefer. It doesn't mean you can't or won't enjoy the story being released, but you'd have preferred something else. It's not about adding, say, Daleks to a story and then deciding it can't be original. It's more getting a brilliant announcement in itself and then throwing in Daleks, Leela, etc. to boot. The above aren't all my personal views, but I can certainly empathise. I suffer from Leela fatigue, but I'll be getting this set and listening with an open mind. I'm sure I'll enjoy the story, and I appreciate that Leela is popular and a Big Finish regular and the circumstances in which this set was created and recorded, but I personally would prefer another companion. I'd go as far to say I'd have preferred a set without old companions, but that's not necessarily the direct alternative. I mean, I can understand where you’re coming from, but these are press releases. Naturally they’re going to lean on marketing angles. That’s kind of their job. It doesn’t necessarily follow that the stories themselves do. I think we may be talking at cross purposes here, or I wasn't clear enough in my post. Apologies if not. Of course they're going to lean on marketing angles if there are marketing angles to lean on. But before it even gets to marketing, there's the creation of stories and sets and they're where the returning elements spring from. As I mentioned, you can have an original story with a returning element, but it still boils down to another Leela story, etc. You can enjoy the story, but you can also prefer if it was something else, and therefore enjoyed it more as a result. It's different strokes for different folks, as usual. However, 19 Tenth Doctor stories announced this year and perhaps only one doesn't have a returning element, which is the Tenth Doctor side of Echoes of Extinction, which we're told isn't even a Big Finish product and is part of another project. It does feel as though the field isn't as well catered as it perhaps should be. As I said, I'm reserving judgement on Dalek Universe until it's released, but I do know a brand new series for the Tenth Doctor with fewer returning elements would be preferable over Daleks, Movellans, Davros, Mechanoids, etc. I will undoubtedly enjoy it, but I have a different preference and I think that's the root of the point there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 11:23:54 GMT
I feel after initial reservations Dalek Universe might be something different and would be exciting if it did not include any old characters I just don't understand why old characters immediately means unexciting for some people. There's always new sides to explore, especially if they haven't seen each other for a long time and/or they left things unresolved. Like, for example, I can understand the problem with Ace in the 7th Doctor's audios, the characterisation is a bit inconsistent and her experiences don't inform changes in her behaviour (at least not notably enough). But that's after the fact, after you've listened to them and see how it was done. Before, it's kind of like crying wolf. Oddly just finished Grey Man Of The Mountains.....somehow I felt Ace was played differently there was something subtle,something restrained in the performance that almost felt she had rejoined the Doctor or something I liked it very very much...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 11:29:45 GMT
I mean, I can understand where you’re coming from, but these are press releases. Naturally they’re going to lean on marketing angles. That’s kind of their job. It doesn’t necessarily follow that the stories themselves do. I think we may be talking at cross purposes here, or I wasn't clear enough in my post. Apologies if not. Of course they're going to lean on marketing angles if there are marketing angles to lean on. But before it even gets to marketing, there's the creation of stories and sets and they're where the returning elements spring from. As I mentioned, you can have an original story with a returning element, but it still boils down to another Leela story, etc. You can enjoy the story, but you can also prefer if it was something else, and therefore enjoyed it more as a result. It's different strokes for different folks, as usual. However, 19 Tenth Doctor stories announced this year and perhaps only one doesn't have a returning element, which is the Tenth Doctor side of Echoes of Extinction, which we're told isn't even a Big Finish product and is part of another project. It does feel as though the field isn't as well catered as it perhaps should be. As I said, I'm reserving judgement on Dalek Universe until it's released, but I do know a brand new series for the Tenth Doctor with fewer returning elements would be preferable over Daleks, Movellans, Davros, Mechanoids, etc. I will undoubtedly enjoy it, but I have a different preference and I think that's the root of the point there. We all have different tastes and I personally take no gripes with anyone’s posts and enjoy reading peoples different angles and ideas. For me I love Big Finish output and am very much enjoying the expansion and ideas of new writers I think it is great . And eventually you find a little gem among them all
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