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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 24, 2015 22:18:14 GMT
You to think about the casual viewer though, who'd tune into that episode and think 'Why's it that man and not ____?' That's where Martha becomes useful to the conversation. She can ask those clarifying questions for the viewer. I also imagine that there would be scenes where we saw what Martha mistakenly thought happened; then she would interrupt with a question; then we'd see the same scene corrected following the clarification. E.g. We'd see David Tennant doing something, he or some character in the action would mention the velvet coat, at which point Martha would ask "Wait a minute. You? In velvet?" Doctor: "I was a different man back then. Really. Different face and everything." The scene would then replay with Paul McGann. Look what happened the last time the series did what the fans wanted though: it eventually resulted in the show's hiatus. The Two Doctors was hardly a success; there's no reason to repeat it with a multi-Doctor flashback episode that isn't in an anniversary year.
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Post by seeley on Dec 24, 2015 22:42:29 GMT
That's where Martha becomes useful to the conversation. She can ask those clarifying questions for the viewer. I also imagine that there would be scenes where we saw what Martha mistakenly thought happened; then she would interrupt with a question; then we'd see the same scene corrected following the clarification. E.g. We'd see David Tennant doing something, he or some character in the action would mention the velvet coat, at which point Martha would ask "Wait a minute. You? In velvet?" Doctor: "I was a different man back then. Really. Different face and everything." The scene would then replay with Paul McGann. Look what happened the last time the series did what the fans wanted though: it eventually resulted in the show's hiatus. The Two Doctors was hardly a success; there's no reason to repeat it with a multi-Doctor flashback episode that isn't in an anniversary year. While I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong and while I agree that fannish-indulgences should be kept to a minimum, saying that any one thing led to the Classic Series' hiatus is rather contentious. Different stories exist, but there's not exactly a consensus. Aiming the show too much at the fans gets a lot of blame, but so do Michael Grade, the BBC, Eric Saward, the television landscape, etc.
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Post by Hieronymus on Dec 24, 2015 22:51:26 GMT
That's where Martha becomes useful to the conversation. She can ask those clarifying questions for the viewer. I also imagine that there would be scenes where we saw what Martha mistakenly thought happened; then she would interrupt with a question; then we'd see the same scene corrected following the clarification. E.g. We'd see David Tennant doing something, he or some character in the action would mention the velvet coat, at which point Martha would ask "Wait a minute. You? In velvet?" Doctor: "I was a different man back then. Really. Different face and everything." The scene would then replay with Paul McGann. ...there's no reason to repeat it with a multi-Doctor flashback episode that isn't in an anniversary year. I didn't envision this as a multi-Doctor story, but rather as a Doctor-light story (which they did each season in those days). That is, it would be "Doctor-light" in the sense of freeing up a lot of David Tennant's time by using a different actor as the Doctor for the main action of the story, and limiting Tennant to bridging scenes and bits of narration. If you had to choose between a McGann flashback story and Love and Monsters, which would you choose? However, I don't see this as an idea that should necessarily be considered for production at the current time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 23:53:09 GMT
That's where Martha becomes useful to the conversation. She can ask those clarifying questions for the viewer. I also imagine that there would be scenes where we saw what Martha mistakenly thought happened; then she would interrupt with a question; then we'd see the same scene corrected following the clarification. E.g. We'd see David Tennant doing something, he or some character in the action would mention the velvet coat, at which point Martha would ask "Wait a minute. You? In velvet?" Doctor: "I was a different man back then. Really. Different face and everything." The scene would then replay with Paul McGann. Look what happened the last time the series did what the fans wanted though: it eventually resulted in the show's hiatus. The Two Doctors was hardly a success; there's no reason to repeat it with a multi-Doctor flashback episode that isn't in an anniversary year. Don't forget that The Five Doctors had been just over a year ago for viewers, The Two Doctors could very easily have been seen as retreading the same ground, much in the same way that Attack of the Cybermen is Earthshock 2.0. In the case of the Sixth Doctor, it was a very poor idea to have a previous Doctor return during the current one's debut year since it draws unfair comparisons between the two. Not to mention that he was having a very hard time being accepted by fans, let alone the general public. That said, the way that this two-parter is being described sounds quite a lot like something Jacqueline Rayner could write; something that plays with the traditional conventions, not unlike Doctor Who and the Pirates. Hmm... I think as a casual viewer, I'd be less okay with narration and more with an A-plot/B-plot story. You'd start off with Eight as the lead character for "Part One" and the current Doctor and companion(s) as a supporting character before swapping the two over for "Part Two". Kind of like how in Blade Runner it starts off with Deckard (Harrison Ford) as the protagonist, but by the end Batty (Rutger Hauer) has risen up and assumed his role. However, I don't see this as an idea that should necessarily be considered for production at the current time. Yeah, particularly given Capaldi's Doctor is rather unfortunately struggling on the ropes at the moment.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 25, 2015 9:18:26 GMT
Struggling? What struggling? With the exception of Sleep No Why Did We Make This this season's been stellar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 11:55:16 GMT
Struggling? What struggling? With the exception of Sleep No Why Did We Make This this season's been stellar. Oh, Series 9 has been hit pretty hard ratings wise: 6.5 million high, 5.6 million low. I'm still scratching my head about the season myself, I have no idea what to think of it. It's definitely been a mixed bag altogether: the Davros two-parter was pretty solid in a Season 22 kind of way, Under the Lake suffered from quite a lot of build up to a meh second part (although the Fisher King looked amazing), I don't remember the Ashildr stories, The Zygon Invasion was a bit of a missed opportunity (a superb speech about the futility of war wrapped around a very problematic plot), Sleep No More was unmemorable, Face the Raven had some wonderful worldbuilding, Heaven Sent was a definite winner and Hell Bent was an appalling misstep following the first half. I can completely understand people who criticise this current series' "one step forward, two steps back" approach as someone once called it and yet... I still enjoyed it quite a bit more than the previous year. My only issue is that outside of Heaven Sent, this season went to great efforts to play it safe and stumbled over its own clichés. Unnecessarily complacent main characters, a weakened Doctor, a bland companion centre stage when she doesn't need to be, no fatal consequences in stories that desperately require them in order to carry dramatic weight, etc. It's gotten so bad that a friend of mine who's also a fan, said she's stopped watching because River Song is in the Christmas special and she likes River. I really don't know what to think of that other than: "Ohhhh... That's not good..."
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 26, 2015 22:31:37 GMT
...there's no reason to repeat it with a multi-Doctor flashback episode that isn't in an anniversary year. If you had to choose between a McGann flashback story and Love and Monsters, which would you choose? Whilst I would like to see a flashback story with a past Doctor, if I had the power to decide between them for the good of the show I'd pick neither.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Dec 27, 2015 18:43:59 GMT
A Christmas episode that has nothing to do with Christmas, starring Paul McGann!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 27, 2015 23:31:38 GMT
A Christmas episode that has nothing to do with Christmas, starring Paul McGann! Then it's not a Christmas special, it's a anniversary celebrating the show.
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Post by randomcomments on Dec 28, 2015 1:25:35 GMT
Paul McGann and Capaldi in an episode. Or episodes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 1:31:59 GMT
A Christmas episode that has nothing to do with Christmas, starring Paul McGann! Too much of a gamble - he's a Doctor many aren't connected to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 13:18:38 GMT
A Christmas episode that has nothing to do with Christmas, starring Paul McGann! Too much of a gamble - he's a Doctor many aren't connected to. About time people started getting connected to him so!
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 28, 2015 17:00:24 GMT
-6 x 2 parters -Keep Capaldi -No love stricken companions. -Mark J Shepard as The Master, getting rid of Michelle Gomez would be my first priority. -Daleks & Cybermen to become terrifying again. -Darker gothic tone -Characters would actually die & stay dead -Some story's wouldn't always have a happy outcome -No stupid pantomine episode's -Paul McGann would feature in many episodes in flashbacks to previous advents. -Would push boundaries with the scare factor.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 28, 2015 19:09:14 GMT
-6 x 2 parters -Keep Capaldi -No love stricken companions. -Mark J Shepard as The Master, getting rid of Michelle Gomez would be my first priority. -Daleks & Cybermen to become terrifying again. -Darker gothic tone -Characters would actually die & stay dead -Some story's wouldn't always have a happy outcome -No stupid pantomine episode's -Paul McGann would feature in many episodes in flashbacks to previous advents. -Would push boundaries with the scare factor. Most suggestions here would be better for Big Finish, notably Paul McGann flashbacks and a darker tone (seriously, the main show couldn't possibly become any darker without becoming an adult drama). Also: Michelle Gomez needs to STAY as the Master; a perfect contrast to the 12th Doctor. Mark J Shepard would be better as the next Doctor's Master. Agree about characters dying and staying dead though.
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Post by marie1964 on Dec 29, 2015 9:27:54 GMT
Not killing off so many characters in the new series altogether. A companion that you don't have to worry about dying on you, in any way, shape or form, and they just leave like they did in the old series [with one or two notable exceptions].
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 29, 2015 9:52:02 GMT
Gomez would be getting her P45 immediately if i was the show runner.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 29, 2015 9:59:32 GMT
Would make sure the companion actors actually UNDERSTOOD and could sell what was going on in New Who series 5 & 6 without looking dazed or bored.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 10:53:13 GMT
Gomez would be getting her P45 immediately if i was the show runner. You said that only a couple of posts earlier on this very thread and within the last day as well. I know you don't like her but its really just quite nasty to bring it up again for no reason. You made the point fine the first time.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 29, 2015 13:41:30 GMT
Not killing off so many characters in the new series altogether. A companion that you don't have to worry about dying on you, in any way, shape or form, and they just leave like they did in the old series [with one or two notable exceptions]. Seriously? More characters need to die, not less.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 13:52:55 GMT
Not killing off so many characters in the new series altogether. A companion that you don't have to worry about dying on you, in any way, shape or form, and they just leave like they did in the old series [with one or two notable exceptions]. Seriously? More characters need to die, not less. If its in the character's natural progression, sure. Writing a character just to kill them? This is Doctor Who, not a teen slasher. I think Marie is right. It would be nice for more in the vein of Martha who just said "enough".
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