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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 10, 2021 22:42:11 GMT
I think the Philip Hinchcliffe Presents range will probably have a dedicated audience that doesn’t delve into other Big Finish. Not a majority of sales or anything like that, but I suspect it’s sizeable. They’re absolutely the closest that BF will ever get to slotting in with the TV series. That’s not a slight on their other productions at all, we all love them, but PHP has the varying story formats, the returning cast and producer, and the extensive cast. Of course, the pricing reflects that. Essentially they don’t have the shortcuts associated with your standard audio production and are very much promoted as being a premium product and an extension of that era. And on the whole an original story will have a wider appeal than an adaptation. It would’ve been interesting to see the Comic Strip Adaptations treat like the Novel ones, with a varied and very competitively priced bundle announced, instead of it being the anniversary set they hoped to do more of if it sold. This month's upcoming PHP, The God of Phantoms is the same price as three-disc sets usually are from BF, as were volumes 2 and 3. The first set was more expensive though.
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Post by redsharkJason on Aug 11, 2021 0:45:28 GMT
I think the Philip Hinchcliffe Presents range will probably have a dedicated audience that doesn’t delve into other Big Finish. Not a majority of sales or anything like that, but I suspect it’s sizeable. They’re absolutely the closest that BF will ever get to slotting in with the TV series. That’s not a slight on their other productions at all, we all love them, but PHP has the varying story formats, the returning cast and producer, and the extensive cast. Of course, the pricing reflects that. Essentially they don’t have the shortcuts associated with your standard audio production and are very much promoted as being a premium product and an extension of that era. And on the whole an original story will have a wider appeal than an adaptation. It would’ve been interesting to see the Comic Strip Adaptations treat like the Novel ones, with a varied and very competitively priced bundle announced, instead of it being the anniversary set they hoped to do more of if it sold. What you and cwm are saying (no "surprise" in that regard) makes sense. Is it as simple as an original story on the whole will sell better than even an adaptation of a coveted Virgin novel such as The Well-Mannered War? Was the BF production of the RTD - Damaged Goods sales bested by The Helm of Awe? I love Tom Baker and like Sylvester, but I really doubt that Volumes 2 and 3 of PHP individually outsold DG. Now that the royal we have had the benefit of hindsight; the Big Finish NA range should have stayed away from those duplicate offerings (the deluxe box sets), only selected the most popular Virgin novels and rolled their stories out sparingly. I'm convinced that a Dying Days audio would sell like hotcakes. Starve us Doctor Who fans enough...and we'll come back running for another release of a shelved DW range. The Lost Stories have been rested on different occasions to their benefit of longevity appeal.
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 11, 2021 7:55:31 GMT
I think the Philip Hinchcliffe Presents range will probably have a dedicated audience that doesn’t delve into other Big Finish. Not a majority of sales or anything like that, but I suspect it’s sizeable. They’re absolutely the closest that BF will ever get to slotting in with the TV series. That’s not a slight on their other productions at all, we all love them, but PHP has the varying story formats, the returning cast and producer, and the extensive cast. Of course, the pricing reflects that. Essentially they don’t have the shortcuts associated with your standard audio production and are very much promoted as being a premium product and an extension of that era. And on the whole an original story will have a wider appeal than an adaptation. It would’ve been interesting to see the Comic Strip Adaptations treat like the Novel ones, with a varied and very competitively priced bundle announced, instead of it being the anniversary set they hoped to do more of if it sold. What you and cwm are saying (no "surprise" in that regard) makes sense. Is it as simple as an original story on the whole will sell better than even an adaptation of a coveted Virgin novel such as The Well-Mannered War? Was the BF production of the RTD - Damaged Goods sales bested by The Helm of Awe? I love Tom Baker and like Sylvester, but I really doubt that Volumes 2 and 3 of PHP individually outsold DG. Now that the royal we have had the benefit of hindsight; the Big Finish NA range should have stayed away from those duplicate offerings (the deluxe box sets), only selected the most popular Virgin novels and rolled their stories out sparingly. I'm convinced that a Dying Days audio would sell like hotcakes. Starve us Doctor Who fans enough...and we'll come back running for another release of a shelved DW range. The Lost Stories have been rested on different occasions to their benefit of longevity appeal.Absolutely.
Hope someone from BF is reading this
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Post by Star Platinum on Aug 11, 2021 8:13:42 GMT
The novel adaptations is one of the ranges I miss most of all.
The original novels are extremely difficult to find in Canada, so the adaptations are a far more cost effective way to enjoy the stories. I just wish they’d do some of the stories with A wider impact impact in the whoniverse. I’d snap up adaptations of the dying days, blood harvest, goth opera, so vile a sin, shakedown and so many others. Those stories would be an instant preorder for me!
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Post by afgncaap on Aug 11, 2021 16:28:01 GMT
Well, I'll go against the forming consensus and say that I for one am really excited about Doctor Who and the Ark. It definitely helps that I consider the final TV version (and really, if we are confessing to unpopular opinions, the majority of Tom Baker era!) quite overrated, and in turn value John Lucarotti's contributions to the black&white DW very, very highly. So I am practically ideal target audience for this first draft!
More Terry Nation being Terry Nation I could take or leave, but the whole teenage cast concept is pleasantly bonkers. Feels like something from a 1990s Australian kids' sci-fi I used to stumble onto on Saturday and Sunday mornings. I just wish the press release were clearer about the story format... It doesn't feel quite honest that I learnt it's just one episode only from reading this thread. :/
So yeah, on one hand I agree with most of you, that last releases in the range are stretching the definition of Lost Stories beyond the breaking point. On the other hand, in practice, I am as intrigued in these two looks into alternative history of Who (and to my mind, that's what Lost Stories are supposed to be!) as in those offered by The Masters of Luxor, Mind of the Hodiac or Season 27.
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Post by relativetime on Aug 11, 2021 17:03:44 GMT
If it was a script that was submitted for the show but never made and if it’s significantly different from the released version then I see no problem with it becoming a part of the range. Inventing a whole new range on the off chance they’ll do something like Genesis of Terror again just seems silly, especially when Big Finish has been trying to consolidate their ranges to make them more appealing for newcomers in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 8:30:29 GMT
Not coming soon to Big Finish:
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Aug 15, 2021 21:39:14 GMT
Not coming soon to Big Finish: I think that’s Damaged Goods…
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Post by melkur on Aug 15, 2021 22:21:22 GMT
I'll echo the common consensus about this duo - Whilst it's nice to see we're getting more of Tom, I don't know if I'm really in a rush to get either of them... (Though I might consider getting 'The Ark', depending on how different it is to the as-televised story).
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Post by mark687 on Aug 18, 2021 10:15:33 GMT
This is this Months DWM BF News
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Post by ljwilson on Aug 18, 2021 20:24:03 GMT
Jeez..if he hoovered all that up in one go he wouldn't sleep for days.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 18, 2021 20:51:52 GMT
More Terry Nation being Terry Nation I could take or leave, but the whole teenage cast concept is pleasantly bonkers. Feels like something from a 1990s Australian kids' sci-fi I used to stumble onto on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Ohh Lord I miss those days. They used to run them before the afternoon soaps here on Channel 10, kids programming that didn’t talk down to kids, expected them to be able to follow a serialised story and be able to cop with something as horrifying as a cliffhanger (usually on the Thursday afternoon episode because they never aired the shows on a Friday).
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Aug 21, 2021 19:25:02 GMT
First draft scripts are now renamed lost stories? First drafts are often called first drafts for a reason. I agree completely. In contrast, the missing Peri/Six season and the unproduced Seven/Ace/Raine season were actually meant to be aired if not for cancellations.
If they're clever, they'll tie these two together with "Return of the Cybermen" as an alternate timeline.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 20:29:41 GMT
First draft scripts are now renamed lost stories? First drafts are often called first drafts for a reason. I agree completely. In contrast, the missing Peri/Six season and the unproduced Seven/Ace/Raine season were actually meant to be aired if not for cancellations.
If they're clever, they'll tie these two together with "Return of the Cybermen" as an alternate timeline.
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Even then though, the season 27 stories were butchered and changed from what they would be. Tbh though i wouldn’t feel as pessimistic but the whole marketing angle is clapped - like even with return i’m sure nick briggs said some stories are lost for a reason like what? Why would i buy a product i know is going tk be bad. Typos and all? Like dudeee thats not somthing thats going to entice me 😂 i want good stories and if these are good thats what matters, continuity be damned…. The issue is i don’t think these will be good :/ but time will tell
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 30, 2021 9:10:40 GMT
Big Finish @bigfinish · 3m It's nearly 2023 right? ....RIGHT? ?!
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Post by pawntake on Aug 30, 2021 13:00:36 GMT
Big Finish @bigfinish · 3m It's nearly 2023 right? ....RIGHT? ?!
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Aug 30, 2021 19:52:23 GMT
I agree completely. In contrast, the missing Peri/Six season and the unproduced Seven/Ace/Raine season were actually meant to be aired if not for cancellations.
If they're clever, they'll tie these two together with "Return of the Cybermen" as an alternate timeline.
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Even then though, the season 27 stories were butchered and changed from what they would be. Certain Lost Stories weren't changed enough, like "Prison in Space". There's a reason it didn't make it past the draft phase originally. If they were going to produce it at all, they should have updated it with a more believable and sympathetic, yet ultimately still misguided, motivation for the matriarchal takeover, like fear that men being allowed to have positions of power would lead to more wars, especially if it were set right after a war. Instead we have dominatrix stereotypes, a dictator who's motivated by her own unattractiveness, and Jamie spouting sexist rhetoric he never did in the series, where he had no problem with girls adventuring through time and space.
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Post by dorney on Aug 30, 2021 20:28:07 GMT
Even then though, the season 27 stories were butchered and changed from what they would be. Certain Lost Stories weren't changed enough, like "Prison in Space". There's a reason it didn't make it past the draft phase originally. If they were going to produce it at all, they should have updated it with a more believable and sympathetic, yet ultimately still misguided, motivation for the matriarchal takeover, like fear that men being allowed to have positions of power would lead to more wars, especially if it were set right after a war. Instead we have dominatrix stereotypes, a dictator who's motivated by her own unattractiveness, and Jamie spouting sexist rhetoric he never did in the series, where he had no problem with girls adventuring through time and space. Technically, Prison in Space got well beyond the draft phase (as should be evidenced by Frazer Hines having the original copy of the script). The only reason it didn’t actually get made was that the production team went back and forth writing Jamie out and not writing him out and ran out of money to get Sharples to change it. But as I understand it, they were happy with the script otherwise. (It’s similarly not quite right to say that the season 27 stuff was changed from what it would have been either…)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 20:44:08 GMT
I'm on board. I think people are going to have to get used to BF in the non-subscriber era doing a lot of varied and different things. Not everything will be for everyone. Indeed, I remember Nick being surprised on a podcast that people WERE completists, he assumed almost everyone picked and chose to some extent.
The alternative to this isn't more Tom - that's recorded for 2023 anyway - the alternative is nothing. I'll take this. A "what if", if not Unbound. Bit of fun, nearly 2 years notice to find 20-odd quid? Yeah, not gonna moan too hard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 21:20:49 GMT
Here's a little tease from Simon Guerrier:
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