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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jul 20, 2019 11:32:36 GMT
I think I just ended up sticking it between Series 3 and Angels Take Manhattan.
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 21, 2019 12:02:46 GMT
I’d slot Lie of Ruins between The Angels Take Manhattan and The Husbands of River Song myself. The way River handles the Eighth Doctor in the end reminded of the way she speaks with the Eleventh at the end of Manhattan. I like to think that was in River’s mind as being recent for her. Ultimately, stick it between The Wedding of River Song and The Husbands of River Song and you’re onto a winner.
What about The Power of River Song from UNIT Incursions? I must confess I didn’t find the story all that memorable, including hints from River, if any.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jul 21, 2019 13:44:09 GMT
It has to be after her time at Stormcage or at least towards the end of it as she’s a professor. The reason I didn’t put it after Angels is because that’s supposed to be fairly recent in Husbands so I try to stick as few things as possible between them.
The Power of River Song is pretty arbitrary, but she’s using her trowel so it’s probably after Series 3, so again I just stuck it between that and Angels. Though if you are putting stories between Angels and Husbands, Series 4 should come last as she loses her Vortex manipulator so that’s a nice lead-in to her not having it in Husbands.
Growing Up
A Good Man Goes To War (baby)
The Impossible Astronaut: Prequel
The Impossible Astronaut (Melody)
Day of the Moon (Melody)
Let’s Kill Hitler (Child Mels)
Imaginary Enemies
Let’s Kill Hitler (Teen Mels)
Let’s Kill Hitler (Adult Mels)
Killing/Marrying the Doctor
Let’s Kill Hitler (River Song)
Closing Time
The Impossible Astronaut (Astronaut)
The Wedding of River Song: Prequel
The Wedding of River Song
Imprisonment at Stormcage
First Night
Last Night
Bad Night
Good Night
A Good Man Goes To War
The Impossible Astronaut
The Day of the Moon
The Pandorica Opens
The Big Bang
Picnic at Asgard
First Night
Last Night
The Bekdel Test
The Time of Angels
Flesh and Stone
Titan Comics Year 2
Suspicious Minds
A Gamble With Time
Death in New Venice
River of Time
Without a Paddle
A Good Man Goes To War (Stevie Wonder Date)
A Pardoned Woman
Last Night
Rain Gods
The Unknown
Five-Twenty-Nine
World Enough and Time
The Eye of the Storm
The Lady of the Lake
A Requiem for the Doctor
My Dinner With Andrew
The Furies
Animal Instinct
The Lifeboat and the Deathboat
Emancipation
The Power of River Song
The Angel's Kiss
The Angels Take Manhattan
Time in a Bottle
Kings of Infinite Space
Whodunnit?
Someone I Once Knew
The Husbands of River Song
After Darillium
The Boundless Sea
I Went To A Marvellous Party
Signs
The Rulers of the Universe
The Sonomancer
The Eight Piece
The Dommsday Chronometer
The Crucible of Souls
Companion Piece
The Lost Dimension
Concealed Weapon
The Library
Day of the Doctor
Silence in the Library
Forest of the Dead
The Name of the Doctor
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jul 22, 2019 0:59:25 GMT
Listening to Series 2, and in The Unknown, River claims to have made her sonic device, which she calls a sonic screwdriver. The Doctor claims however that it isn’t a screwdriver and he should know because he patented the sonic screwdriver.
Now unless there’s something else that puts Series 2 after Husbands, I’d say that Series 2 should actually go pre-Husbands, especially as it’s supposed to be shortly after River is pardoned.
This also opens the door for other stories featuring River using a sonic device to go before Husbands, potentially even Series 1 as well. The problem with Series 1 is that it was most likely written with no knowledge of Husbands of River Song, so all the potential links in it are very probably coincidental.
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Post by nitronine on Jul 22, 2019 11:00:37 GMT
This also opens the door for other stories featuring River using a sonic device to go before Husbands, potentially even Series 1 as well. The problem with Series 1 is that it was most likely written with no knowledge of Husbands of River Song, so all the potential links in it are very probably coincidental. I personally don’t like putting any meetings with the Doctor between Husbands and Library, so my explanation for series 1 is that she doesn’t know all the doctors faces yet and it’s the events of series 1 that make her research it. I also ignore the line in Doom Coalition 2 about “the magician” (or try to explain it as River mentioning the 3rd doctor for some reason) because her speech at the end of Doom Coalition 4 leads perfectly into her apparence in Husbands. {Spoiler}
Placing it after Husbands sort of ruins the development in that story because it means that even after Darilium River didn’t believe that the Doctor truly loved her |
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 31, 2019 13:49:18 GMT
A Good Man Goes to War (Baby Melody) The Impossible Astronaut / Day of the Moon (Young Melody) Let's Kill Hitler (Mels & River Song) Closing Time The Impossible Astronaut (Lake Silencio) The Wedding of River Song First Night A Good Man Goes to War (Stormcage) The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang A Good Man Goes to War (End Scene) The Impossible Astronaut / Day of the Moon 5.1 - The Bekdel TestThe Time of Angels / Flesh & Stone The Wedding of River Song (End Scene) Rain Gods Last Night 3.1 - The Lady in the Lake
3.2 - A Requiem for the Doctor
3.3 - My Dinner With Andrew
3.4 - The Furies
6.3 - Peepshow
UNIT 8.3 - The Power of River Song Part 1
UNIT 8.4 - The Power of River Song Part 2
EoM 1 - EmancipationThe Angels Take Manhattan LoT 1 - Lie of Ruins
6.4 - The Talents of Greel4.1 - Time in a Bottle
4.2 - Kings of Infinite Space
4.3 - Whodunnit?
4.4 - Someone I Once Knew
1.1 - The Boundless SeaThe Husbands of River Song 5.2 - Animal Instinct
1.2 - I Went to a Marvellous Party
1.3 - Signs
1.4 - The Rulers of the Universe
DC 2.4 - The Sonomancer
2.1 - The Unknown
2.2 - Five Twenty-Nine
2.3 - World Enough and Time
2.4 - The Eye of the Storm
5.3 - The Lifeboat and the Deathboat
DC 3.2 - The Eighth Piece
DC 3.3 - The Doomsday Chronometer
DC 3.4 - The Crucible of Souls
DC 4.2 - Songs of Love
R 3.2 - Companion Piece
6.1 - An Unearthly Woman
6.2 - The Web of Time
5.4 - Concealed WeaponSilence in the Library / Forest of the Dead The Name of the Doctor Updated to include The Power of River Song, Lie of Ruins and Series 6. I've also moved Concealed Weapon closer to Silence in the Library after a recent re-listen, as River is petrified of meeting the Doctor and him not knowing who she is, so it makes sense to move it closer to her death. Series 6 was relatively straightforward. I'll pop my justifications in spoiler tags: The monster in An Unearthly Woman is a bounty hunter sent by The Ravenous, so it's neat to put it after Companion Piece.
In The Web of Time, River is familiar with The Red Lady, so it makes sense to place it after Companion Piece, which follows on from Songs of Love.
There's not a lot to go on in Peepshow. River has a doctorate, but that's the only reference, so I've put it after Series 3, as one of the earliest River placements by Big Finish.
River is in Victorian London to recharge her vortex manipulator in The Talents of Greel and also uses her sonic trowel at a couple of points. I've put it just before Series 4. |
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Post by sherlock on Aug 31, 2019 13:52:52 GMT
The beginning of Companion Piece seems to pick up pretty seamlessly from where River ended up at the end of Songs of Love so I don’t think there’s room for a story between the two. Admittedly I haven’t heard The Web of Time so it might explain it somehow.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 31, 2019 13:58:58 GMT
The beginning of Companion Piece seems to pick up pretty seamlessly from where River ended up at the end of Songs of Love so I don’t think there’s room for a story between the two. Admittedly I haven’t heard The Web of Time so it might explain it somehow. That’s my bad eyesight putting it in the wrong place; apologies, have corrected! |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 31, 2019 14:31:04 GMT
In Series 2, River has only just been released from Stormcage.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 31, 2019 15:00:13 GMT
In Series 2, River has only just been released from Stormcage. Oh, has she? I must relisten to the second set, not heard it since release and it’s not left a massive impression on me, Five Twenty-Nine aside. |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 31, 2019 23:04:39 GMT
In Series 2, River has only just been released from Stormcage. Oh, has she? I must relisten to the second set, not heard it since release and it’s not left a massive impression on me, Five Twenty-Nine aside. I think in the first episode she makes a big deal of destroying one of her Stormcage IDs, but then it’s made more explicit in the last episode where she goes off on a speech about how she’s just been released from Stormcage and she went and got her professoriate straight away and is doing this and that and the other. |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 31, 2019 23:05:00 GMT
Double post
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 15, 2020 20:16:01 GMT
What are everyone’s thoughts on timeline placement for Series 7 of The Diary of River Song? I only picked up on the sonic screwdriver in Abbey of Heretics and of course Carnival of Angels is set not long before Angels Take Manhattan.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 15, 2020 22:05:01 GMT
What are everyone’s thoughts on timeline placement for Series 7 of The Diary of River Song? I only picked up on the sonic screwdriver in Abbey of Heretics and of course Carnival of Angels is set not long before Angels Take Manhattan. I put them all in order right before Angels Take Manhattan. I believe she’s a Professor in all of them, so after she gets out of Stormcage, and we know she has a sonic device that she can’t device the name of prior to Husbands of River Song, so with there barely being anything to go on I just placed it in the most obvious spot. |
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 16, 2020 10:02:35 GMT
What are everyone’s thoughts on timeline placement for Series 7 of The Diary of River Song? I only picked up on the sonic screwdriver in Abbey of Heretics and of course Carnival of Angels is set not long before Angels Take Manhattan. I put them all in order right before Angels Take Manhattan. I believe she’s a Professor in all of them, so after she gets out of Stormcage, and we know she has a sonic device that she can’t device the name of prior to Husbands of River Song, so with there barely being anything to go on I just placed it in the most obvious spot. Agreed, thanks! |
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