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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 22:49:47 GMT
Anyone catch the new special tonight?
Sherlock is one of my favourite shows but tonight's was massively self-indulgent and instead of being a story in its own right serves only as a prequel for the full series next year. Very, very disappointed. It took all the worst of the backslapping, smart-arsery of the first 3 series and distilled it into one ep.
Love Andrew Scott but in the 4 episodes since Moriarty died, he's been in 3 of them. Overkill, I'm afraid.
Performances were tops as always but the show is really cannibalizing itself now. I really hope it gets back on track for Series 4 later this year.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 2, 2016 0:29:40 GMT
Didn't watch it but based on what I heard I may not even bother.
I never watched the last episode of last season either. I just didn't have the motivation.,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 0:35:54 GMT
Didn't watch it but based on what I heard I may not even bother. I never watched the last episode of last season either. I just didn't have the motivation., THe last ep of Series 3 was brilliant and I really would recommend watching it. Charles Augustus Magnussen was the perfect villain antidote to Moriarty-overdose. Calm, measured and chilling. It really was a powerful episode where each and every character gets some wonderful moments. Tonights was very much a stop-gap episode that didn't have the courage to stick with its period trappings.
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Post by Hieronymus on Jan 2, 2016 2:46:55 GMT
I won't get to watch "The Abominable Bride" until the 7th.
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Post by elkawho on Jan 2, 2016 5:04:08 GMT
YEs, I was a little disappointed as well. David, I agree with everything that you said, but most of all I actually found it a little boring. And that was the worst part of it for me.
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Post by Tony Jones on Jan 2, 2016 8:10:02 GMT
I felt massively let down when it jumped ship back to the present and it needs to stop being clever just to show off. Ninety minutes of my life I won't get back
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Post by mark687 on Jan 2, 2016 11:20:39 GMT
And here I thought I'd be in the minority. For me it was OK until Moritey turned up. I'm sorry but I always think his camp is over-played, so I can't him seriously, and then when do get back to the present its 15 minutes angst-addict moralizing ending with "I know what's going on" and leaving the airport.
6/10 and I'm in no hurry for a proper Series 4.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 13:45:55 GMT
I love Moriarty an ANdrew Scott plays him wonderfully but there comes a time they've used him to such a degree that it's not interesting, exciting, shocking...he's just one of the regular cast now anyway.
I audibly groaned when it jumped back to the present. It could have been a solid, spooky little mystery all et in the Victorian era and then - sure why not, a little post credits "Here's what's coming in the REAL series.." teaser. But what this did was ruin the period piece and do nothing with the modern.
It took 90 minutes, effectively, to say "Sherlock is addicted to crime, especially Moriarty, in the same way he's also addicted to drugs". Yeah...we've picked that up in the past 3 series, thanks.
It's 2015 and one of the biggest shows in the country just did an "It was all a dream" episode. That's insulting.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Jan 2, 2016 17:17:23 GMT
I figured it was all in Sherlock's head from the beginning, and that's not such a bad thing in my view, but it did start to devolve into self-indulgent nonsense.
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Post by ryan on Jan 2, 2016 17:24:45 GMT
Story started off well, nicely shot and well directed. Nice idea with Sherlock solving the case in his head, but they really lost it by bringing in Moriarty, cutting between 1890s and 2010s and completely losing any sense of tension or jeopardy.
An excellent first half, ruined by an awful second half.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 3, 2016 3:33:50 GMT
Finally finished...it was okay but after all the negative reviews and comments I was reading I was expecting much worse. That's not praise don't get me wrong but with expectations very low it was more enjoyable than I imagined. All fluff though which I guess works for a holiday special...I do really hope they get back to real mysteries and less pandering in series 4.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 3, 2016 10:08:34 GMT
I enjoyed it & thought it was a chilling story in parts with a clever pay off, those Victorian scenes captured that era splendidly & how all this integrated into Sherlocks mind was very clever.
Roll on series 4.
I'd rate it a 8/10
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Post by SG. on Jan 3, 2016 11:29:51 GMT
I thought it was really good, but it reduces in quality the more I think about it. It's very well written until the third act when the mind palace concept, while not terrible in itself when it's revealed, takes over and derails the entire thing. I mean, the case of the abominable bride wasn't even solved. Ultimately its only purpose is to get some exposition out of the way for the series 4 premiere, but it was still nice to see Cumberbatch, Freeman and co in the Victorian setting. I'm thinking a 3-4 out of 5, maybe that'll change when I watch it again.
As an aside, having their first meeting retold was a nice touch.
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 3, 2016 12:51:14 GMT
I really enjoyed it and thought it was a clever concept and exceptionally well put together.
Great makeup on the Victorian Mycroft Holmes!
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Post by bobod on Jan 6, 2016 12:21:11 GMT
I thought it was really good, but it reduces in quality the more I think about it. It's very well written until the third act when the mind palace concept, while not terrible in itself when it's revealed, takes over and derails the entire thing. I mean, the case of the abominable bride wasn't even solved. I think you need to rewatch - it was solved.
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Post by SG. on Jan 6, 2016 13:49:13 GMT
I thought it was really good, but it reduces in quality the more I think about it. It's very well written until the third act when the mind palace concept, while not terrible in itself when it's revealed, takes over and derails the entire thing. I mean, the case of the abominable bride wasn't even solved. I think you need to rewatch - it was solved. Well, he found the feminists but not the leader, because at that point {Spoiler} Moriarty turned up again . Then at the end, he called it "one of my rare misses".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 16:37:37 GMT
I think you need to rewatch - it was solved. Well, he found the feminists but not the leader, because at that point {Spoiler} Moriarty turned up again . Then at the end, he called it "one of my rare misses". The leader was the dead woman, who sacrificed herself to give all the other women something to use as a smokescreen for their own revenge taking against mankind.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 6, 2016 22:52:52 GMT
I thought it was really good, but it reduces in quality the more I think about it. It's very well written until the third act when the mind palace concept, while not terrible in itself when it's revealed, takes over and derails the entire thing. I mean, the case of the abominable bride wasn't even solved. Ultimately its only purpose is to get some exposition out of the way for the series 4 premiere, but it was still nice to see Cumberbatch, Freeman and co in the Victorian setting. I'm thinking a 3-4 out of 5, maybe that'll change when I watch it again. As an aside, having their first meeting retold was a nice touch. I disagree, the Abominable Bride case WAS solved if you paid attention. The bride faked her own death, replaced her corpse with a fake and took on the form of a ghostly being during her murders then committed suicide so her body was replaced with the fake one. The subsequent murders after her death were caused by women fighting for equal rights and fed up with the men treating them as lesser beings. To say it wasn't solved is a lie. We just don't know for sure whether Sherlock was right (and what's wrong with a sense of ambiguity? Like the Doctor, we don't always have to see that Sherlock is right about something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 6:37:35 GMT
I thought it was really good, but it reduces in quality the more I think about it. It's very well written until the third act when the mind palace concept, while not terrible in itself when it's revealed, takes over and derails the entire thing. I mean, the case of the abominable bride wasn't even solved. Ultimately its only purpose is to get some exposition out of the way for the series 4 premiere, but it was still nice to see Cumberbatch, Freeman and co in the Victorian setting. I'm thinking a 3-4 out of 5, maybe that'll change when I watch it again. As an aside, having their first meeting retold was a nice touch. I disagree, the Abominable Bride case WAS solved if you paid attention. The bride faked her own death, replaced her corpse with a fake and took on the form of a ghostly being during her murders then committed suicide so her body was replaced with the fake one. The subsequent murders after her death were caused by women fighting for equal rights and fed up with the men treating them as lesser beings. To say it wasn't solved is a lie. We just don't know for sure whether Sherlock was right (and what's wrong with a sense of ambiguity? Like the Doctor, we don't always have to see that Sherlock is right about something. Exactly. Bearing in mind that Sherlock's subconscious was using the woman as an analogue for Moriarty, I'll be interested to see how this plays out into season 4. Presumably Moriarty's death and virtual resurrection allows "somebody" to be able to commit crimes in his name and put the blame on Moriarty - classic misdirection.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 7, 2016 8:41:48 GMT
I disagree, the Abominable Bride case WAS solved if you paid attention. The bride faked her own death, replaced her corpse with a fake and took on the form of a ghostly being during her murders then committed suicide so her body was replaced with the fake one. The subsequent murders after her death were caused by women fighting for equal rights and fed up with the men treating them as lesser beings. To say it wasn't solved is a lie. We just don't know for sure whether Sherlock was right (and what's wrong with a sense of ambiguity? Like the Doctor, we don't always have to see that Sherlock is right about something. Exactly. Bearing in mind that Sherlock's subconscious was using the woman as an analogue for Moriarty, I'll be interested to see how this plays out into season 4. Presumably Moriarty's death and virtual resurrection allows "somebody" to be able to commit crimes in his name and put the blame on Moriarty - classic misdirection. Yeah, that seems likely. I definitely think series 4 will have parallels to the abominable bride case.
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