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Post by sherlock on Mar 10, 2023 14:59:16 GMT
Yikes. An entire series of Who centred around queer women and produced by queer women is being handed off after a successful first season to a male producer without so much as a chance for Watts to return is genuinely really sad. It's how petty it seems that's sticking in my craw about this - to not only ignore her own wishes but also to not even have a meeting or some actual communication just feels too deliberate to simply be accidental thoughtlessness (at least, with Dawson still on, doesn't seem like this was an anti-LGBT thing thankfully) or corporate machinery. Like, for the sake of argument, if Watts had had some difficulties making the first season, why not use Goss as a co-producer, as an extra pair of hands, rather than push her out altogether? It feels like the worst of the industry’s instincts. I’d lean pure corporate machinery, cos god knows the BBC is crawling with that. Watts’ mentions of “brand thoughts” being a factor make me wonder if they wanted to align Redacted with whatever else is happening with the ‘brand’ (ugh) and just brushed her aside thoughtlessly in that process.
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Post by ollychops on Mar 10, 2023 22:19:32 GMT
It’s not a great move anyway but coming right after IWD really doesn’t look good for the BBC… I like Goss but it’s nice to have new voices involved in the franchise.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Mar 11, 2023 18:30:05 GMT
Whether you like Redacted or not, really lousy of the BBC not to at least give her an explanation. Even a trad 'Thank you but we're going in a different direction' would've been better. Indeed. As for why, I can't help but wonder if it connects somewhat with RTD's recent comments about the quality of writers he's dealt with. While a lot of people loved "Redacted", a lot of people did not, and certainly I think there were problems with the way it was presented and scripted - I still think that it was a bit pathetic how gently Chloe called out one of those others (Shauna, I think) for some of her prejudices, and the ending was pretty much 'clap and Tinkerbell will come back to life'.
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Post by The Brigadier on Mar 12, 2023 8:52:53 GMT
Yikes. An entire series of Who centred around queer women and produced by queer women is being handed off after a successful first season to a male producer without so much as a chance for Watts to return is genuinely really sad. It's how petty it seems that's sticking in my craw about this - to not only ignore her own wishes but also to not even have a meeting or some actual communication just feels too deliberate to simply be accidental thoughtlessness (at least, with Dawson still on, doesn't seem like this was an anti-LGBT thing thankfully) or corporate machinery. Like, for the sake of argument, if Watts had had some difficulties making the first season, why not use Goss as a co-producer, as an extra pair of hands, rather than push her out altogether? As the last forty eight hours or so have shown, when it comes to handling certain issues with a degree of tact, diplomacy and sensitivity the BBC has no problem pulling on it's finest Clown shoes and wading right in...🤦♂️ Wishing Ella Watts all the best in her future endeavours.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Mar 14, 2023 14:07:57 GMT
I hope we're not going back into 'same old names' territory with this. Not many people hit the ground running and Ella Watts showed certainly as much potential as Robert Holmes did. Goss has his moments but his work can also be terribly derivative; the recent ghastly Curiosity Shop is a story he's delivered at least three times to my knowledge.
The BBC are not known for the class when it comes to communicating with people. I too wish Ella all the best in her future endeavours.
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Post by sherlock on Mar 15, 2023 14:10:27 GMT
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 15, 2023 14:34:28 GMT
Had “concerns had been raised” not been there, it'd look more like regular corporate thoughtlessness. Now that bit just leaves me scratching my head - it's clearly not misbehaviour (otherwise, why not say so, it's not like the BBC would have anything to gain by hiding for a non-employee), but then if Dawson's still onboard, it can't be some anti-LGBT thing from on high. Maybe something during production or recording where Watts hadn't been able to cope or was late? Something someone Watts vouched for did that she's been made to bear?
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Post by fitzoliverj on Mar 15, 2023 18:54:09 GMT
Had “concerns had been raised” not been there, it'd look more like regular corporate thoughtlessness. Now that bit just leaves me scratching my head
The way the article is structured implies (I suspect, inadvertently) that somebody was unhappy about the resign-and-return employment pattern. But I think we must remember that "Redacted" didn't meet with wholehearted enthusiasm from the listennership, so it may just be they didn't think she was up to it.
(Incidentally, hte article mentions 'The Sink'. If you haven't heard this, do so - it's fantastic. Especially if a bird man ever came to your school).
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 16, 2023 7:44:27 GMT
Had “concerns had been raised” not been there, it'd look more like regular corporate thoughtlessness. Now that bit just leaves me scratching my head
The way the article is structured implies (I suspect, inadvertently) that somebody was unhappy about the resign-and-return employment pattern. But I think we must remember that "Redacted" didn't meet with wholehearted enthusiasm from the listennership, so it may just be they didn't think she was up to it.
(Incidentally, hte article mentions 'The Sink'. If you haven't heard this, do so - it's fantastic. Especially if a bird man ever came to your school).
I don’t think this is out of the realms of possibility. I was surprised to read a renewal for the series the other day, I thought BBC Sounds may have carried on with their own Who spin-off, potentially with the Redacted characters popping up, but given how the end product turned out I’d have thought Redacted itself was done and done. I mentioned it at the time, but the DWM interview with Watts showed a complete disconnect with what she was describing and what we were actually given; it didn’t have the smoothest road to creation either. Not that that’s an excuse for the way Watts has been treat. Indeed if they hadn’t gone down the route of a Redacted sequel and instead just pursued something else with a different cast and crew (hopefully furthering the diversity and new faces) then I don’t think we’d be having this particular discussion.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 11, 2023 10:32:49 GMT
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Post by nardolespinoffwhen on Sept 11, 2023 11:13:31 GMT
Very exciting! Looking forward to this and looks like we could be getting some Rani/Mr Smith content. Am I being too hopefully that Dervla Kirwin is reprising her version of Mrs Quill? Would be great if so as she did a great job at Big Finish.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 11, 2023 15:36:37 GMT
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Post by grinch on Sept 11, 2023 16:02:28 GMT
Wow, Mr Smith will be making an appearance?
Does rather lead me to hope he’ll show up in a Big Finish story in the future.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 12, 2023 17:31:07 GMT
According to people on Twitter, Alexander Armstrong is officially a Bad Thing. Never thought I'd see the day that people complained that "Redacted" wasn't woke.
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Post by shallacatop on Sept 13, 2023 7:20:24 GMT
The reduced episode count should hopefully provide a more concentrated story. Looks to be a lot less appearances from other characters too, which should make the story unfold more naturally; I think Rani is a good constant for the trio to have in their lives. My main concern at present is that Abby & Shawna can’t remember and that grated very quickly in the first run.
Hope that they actually do an episode or two within the confines of the podcast too. That felt misleading when the series was originally announced.
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 15, 2023 13:21:32 GMT
Did the first one ever come out on CD for fuddy duddies like me?
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Post by mark687 on Sept 15, 2023 14:49:49 GMT
Did the first one ever come out on CD for fuddy duddies like me? No which is one of the reasons why I'm surprised it got a 2nd series Regards mark687
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Post by sherlock on Sept 18, 2023 7:41:07 GMT
In a contrast to last time, all the episodes of series 2 are now available on BBC Sounds. Presumably the weekly schedule is just for non-Sounds podcast apps?
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Post by Alastair on Sept 18, 2023 14:17:11 GMT
Am I being too hopefully that Dervla Kirwin is reprising her version of Mrs Quill? Would be great if so as she did a great job at Big Finish. My mind immediately went to “archival 1950s recording of Lizbeth Hayhoe from Torchwood” (silly mental gymnastics on account of her creator, James Goss, producing this time), but that seems nowhere near as likely as your more sensible and exciting thought. If they’re celebrating spinoffs like SJA, an olive branch to Class would be wonderful! Wishful thinking, but I’ll be wishing right there with you.
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Post by timleschild on Sept 18, 2023 17:38:34 GMT
Did the first one ever come out on CD for fuddy duddies like me? No which is one of the reasons why I'm surprised it got a 2nd series Regards mark687 I can't recall any podcast getting a CD release tbh. Especially something like this where the target audience won't really care about physical releases.
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