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Post by mark687 on Mar 1, 2024 14:57:59 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 1, 2024 16:00:15 GMT
Very intruiged to see how all this connects together. Obviously we haven't heard the Sixth Doctor release yet, but the initial two, whilst great, didn't seem to share any connective tissue based on the initial listens. More War Doctor is always good, and I like having Time War involvement without it being a skirmish with the Daleks. Great to see the younger War Doctor on the cover without the watercolour effect too, although I do like that style across the Begins range.
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Post by timleschild on Mar 1, 2024 16:07:20 GMT
The Time War and War Doctor, not the best way for this range to end for me but enjoyed it so far.
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Post by number13 on Mar 1, 2024 20:30:47 GMT
Very intruiged to see how all this connects together. Obviously we haven't heard the Sixth Doctor release yet, but the initial two, whilst great, didn't seem to share any connective tissue based on the initial listens. More War Doctor is always good, and I like having Time War involvement without it being a skirmish with the Daleks. Great to see the younger War Doctor on the cover without the watercolour effect too, although I do like that style across the Begins range. There was one connection we currently know of:
{Spoiler} The 'Roman' Sontarans in ancient Ireland had got there thanks to the Rutan time tunnel the Third Doctor encountered.
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Post by wolfdog95 on Mar 1, 2024 21:58:21 GMT
I know these special release stories tend not to get bogged down with continuity from the main ranges, but I wonder if this will be the War Doctor not long after losing Case, and probably not in the best mood to be dealing with Sontaran/Rutan antics?
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Post by thegreendeath on Mar 3, 2024 13:45:38 GMT
This will be my first Carley War Doctor story. I don’t have enough time and money to get that range but it’ll be fun to dip in!
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Post by melkur on Mar 11, 2024 23:15:21 GMT
Heeeeey, Big Finish? Who do I need to bribe for this one to be released on my birthday (the 19th)?
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Post by mark687 on Mar 18, 2024 17:25:16 GMT
Trailer Online
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Post by mark687 on Apr 4, 2024 12:15:40 GMT
Due out Wednesday 17th April
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Post by melkur on Apr 5, 2024 2:02:32 GMT
Two days before my birthday? I'll allow it...
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 17, 2024 8:20:23 GMT
Out now.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 17, 2024 9:45:46 GMT
Extended Extras DL in Bonus Cont Box
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Post by wolfdog95 on Apr 17, 2024 11:55:23 GMT
I was very excited for this one. War is my favourite Big Finish Doctor, and John Dorney one of their best writers, so needless to say my expectations were high.
But did it deliver?
First off, Jonathan Carley was giving it his absolute all for this. I've always liked his portrayal, but from Light the Flame all the way to this story, it's been thoroughly impressive seeing him grow from doing an impression of John Hurt playing the War Doctor, to playing his own interpretation of the character in his own right.
The Sontarans were very well-realised, though I felt the Rutans were a tad under-exposed. Although Sontarans acting like Rutans made up for that I suppose. The way this was all tied into the previous stories with the Time Loops was almost Moffat-esque.
The score: This is the first audio with the War Doctor to not be scored by Howard Carter. As I've said elsewhere, Carter's leitmotif for the War Doctor defines his character just as much as Hurt and Carley's performances do, so much so that rewatching the War Doctor under Murray Gold in The Day of the Doctor feels like there's something missing, and that episode has the distinct advantage of being the first story to ever feature the character. As a result, the absence of that theme means this never really felt like a "War Doctor Story" but rather a story that has the War Doctor in it. However, Kraemer's score for this episode manages to be very good in its own right, with the medieval Sontaran leitmotif from the previous story returning. Some of the battle scenes towards the end of the story feature scores that are reminiscent of John Williams' Star Wars soundtrack. Very cinematic and bombastic. My only real criticism is that at times the score is a bit too upbeat and "fun" which I don't think suits the Time War setting.
My only real criticism isn't a criticism of this story in particular. The last time we saw the War Doctor in Enemy Mine, he lost a companion in pretty heartbreaking circumstances. While these special releases could be set anywhere in his timeline, I must say I found it rather tonally/thematically jarring to have the character not in any way affected by that loss in his very next appearance. I wasn't expecting him to mope about it for a whole episode like Tennant with Rose, but it would've been nice to acknowledge that this is a Doctor who is hurting and isn't in a good place. This could've functioned as a coda of sorts to the Begins saga, setting a clean slate for The War Doctor Rises. After all, Children of the Future referenced the Silurians, Born to Die incorporated the Charley Pollard storyline. Would it have been too much trouble to even hint at how the War Doctor feels after losing Case?
But beyond that, this was a thoroughly enjoyable listen. Great effort from all involved.
9/10
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Post by mark687 on Apr 17, 2024 12:39:46 GMT
Good Solid Ending
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Post by Who Review on Apr 17, 2024 17:58:15 GMT
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Post by andy on Apr 18, 2024 1:56:46 GMT
Surprised how this wove into the other stories. I was quite sure it was, after the first 3, going to be a series of really solid stories with no theme just recurring antagonist races that could be from any range. This - and especially in setting the end in the Time War - was able to very cleverly jump about time a bit.
Carley again is great.
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Post by timleschild on Apr 18, 2024 11:46:05 GMT
An enjoyable finale, I’m not interested in the War Doctor/Time War era but didn’t feel I was missing anything with this one set during that era. Jonathon Carley is quite good in the role, & lot better in the louder angrier moments but at times feels like he’s strained, would not be able to sustain it for a long time. Overall though the character doesn’t feel different enough from the other Doctors for me to want to delve into his range. Sadly some of the music cues are awful, sounding like something from an episode of Bugs or similar old BBC show. But this final episode does tie things together in a satisfying, exciting way & Dorney captures the voice of the War Doctor in his writing. One of the better BF releases this year.
The one thing I will add is this is another one of those stories that BF had tried to say works on its own when it clearly does not. I wish BF would stop doing this, I'm sorry but this description is nonsense - Writer John Dorney added: “This is effectively the story that ties everything in the mini-series together, but at the same time it will work as a standalone adventure if it’s the first one you’ve listened to"
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Post by bonehead on Apr 18, 2024 14:03:08 GMT
I put off listening to this because, honestly, I didn’t want to get to the end of the series, so enjoyable has it been. I managed two days, which I don’t think is bad going. Sontarans v Rutans could have gone on longer in my view, perhaps a 6-parter, to give some of the other Doctors a crack of the whip. Jonathan Carley hit the ground running as The War Doctor and has actually improved as he’s gone along. His performance is excellent as ever here, which bodes well for the forthcoming War Doctor Rises range. Having said that, enjoyable though the initial, very chatty set-up is, I felt this story really came into its own when we were deluged with bucket loads of Sontarans and their Rutan foes. Christopher Ryan (under-used here) and Dan Starkey could have their own spin-off as a pair of bickering potato-heads, and I’d lap it up. A Terry and June (ancient UK sitcom) for the 21st century. Once again, Joe Kraemer’s music is excellent, subtle when need-be, and the pleasing chorus of Sontar-Ha at moments of greater tension. His scores have been very individual for these stories, giving the series a real sense of its own identity: I really like most of what Joe has done. David Roocroft’s sound design is beautifully spacious too, both of which make the dialogue-heavy elements of this tale more enjoyable that it otherwise might have been. And there is a lot of talk here, lots of tying up previous elements of this series. That’s the thing with finales – they are required to ‘explain’ things, to clarify previous events. I think there’s a little too much of that in this instalment, but it is perhaps a necessary evil. I love the twists in this, and they all made perfect sense and were very satisfying. Ultimately, this works best as a series wrap-up, whereas earlier instalments were stronger stories in their right – and that’s fine; this has been a tremendous four-parter. It makes great use of both antagonists, although The Rutans remain enigmatic and really could do with further exploration. Rutans vs Sontarans sometime in the near future, anyone? “Agh, your keys are never in the right pocket when you need them, are they?”
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Post by nottenst on Apr 18, 2024 20:03:29 GMT
I did not expect this 4th one to essentially tie the other 3 together. It was a pleasant surprise and Jonathon Carley was great was The War Doctor. I am not up to date in his range and I did not think I missed anything. Overall quite a nice series.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 19, 2024 15:21:10 GMT
Thought this one was the best of what’s been a cracking run of stories. Started off as very much its own thing and then as events began to unfold tied together the prior three stories very well indeed whilst continuing to honour the set up of In Name Only. Loved all the subterfuge too, with that and all the Sontaran involvement and use of the Eternity Anomaly Cage it wouldn’t have gone amiss in the Agents of Chaos volume from the original John Hurt run.
Really enjoyed hearing a War Doctor story outside of his own ranges and almost put in a detective style role for much of it before becoming suitably Time War-esque.
Loved the music throughout the series, but especially in this one. Thank you Joe Kraemer for escaping your rut!
Would love another one-off anthology like this. Still not persuaded by the decision to release them individually, but I do enjoy the variety.
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