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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 4, 2016 9:39:40 GMT
I'm about half way through season 2 and really enjoying them. I haven't watched them since they were originally broadcast, but they stand up quite well to time - the dodgy Liberator animation looks very much like a comic but is still cool.
Season 1 started well and really built the tension - Good characterisation, Blake the unwilling hero and Avon out for himself. Jenna promising so much as a strong female lead. Villa superb, Gan the cuddly posh giant (providing his limiter is working). Servalan and Travis dripping with menace - serious overtones of 1984.
Unfortunately there seemed to be a lack of noticing when people disappear or not knowing they hadn't returned to the Liberator (perhaps because Cally was so quiet and didn't have much to do). I still remember the shock I felt at Orac's prediction on the end of season cliffhanger.
Season 2 WTH happened to Travis? Gone is the scary menace of Stephen Greif that can barely contain his rage. Now we have pantomine cockney Travis, exploding at the slightest thing. Even his eye patch has changed from being very well done, to a bit of black tape that barely stays on. Personally, I think they should have created a new character instead of having Brian Coucher playing Travis who had concerns about his recent rehabilitation (as a way of explaining away the differences). Jenna only seems to be there for eye-candy which is a shame because the character started out so well. There is a serious change in relations between Blake and Avon - in season 2, Blake is a real arse and Avon shows a more caring side to his mercenariness. Orac out-sarcasms Avon, Villa is still superb and Cally occasionally remembers that she is a telepath. It gets very Space 1999-like at times. Unfortunately Gan's only stand out moment was mentioned by my wife - "what, no silent credits?".
Overall, I think the ball has been dropped a bit in season 2 but will see what happens as we get towards season 3 ...
Cheers
Tony
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Post by Ela on Feb 4, 2016 17:35:55 GMT
I recently completed a re-watch of the whole series. I've heard a lot of complaints about the change in Travis from season 1 to season 2. And also about the way Jenna is characterized in season 2. I've been enjoying listening to the Down and Safe podcast - commentary on the show, episode by episode. They touch on some of the complaints you've mentioned. I'm a little behind listening, though, haven't started on the season 2 commentaries yet.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 4, 2016 19:52:07 GMT
I recently completed a re-watch of the whole series. I've heard a lot of complaints about the change in Travis from season 1 to season 2. And also about the way Jenna is characterized in season 2. I've been enjoying listening to the Down and Safe podcast - commentary on the show, episode by episode. They touch on some of the complaints you've mentioned. I'm a little behind listening, though, haven't started on the season 2 commentaries yet. Even with the issues, I'm enjoying re-watching it but it's interesting coming to it from an adult's (?) point of view this time. I'll have to listen to that podcast, thanks for the heads up . Cheers Tony
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Post by Ela on Feb 5, 2016 5:47:36 GMT
Yeah, I enjoy the show, even with its faults. It's so much fun. I own all 4 seasons of the show.
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Post by jarod on Feb 5, 2016 13:22:29 GMT
I started a rematch a couple of months ago and am just into series 2. I've been trying to fill the huge time gap left by BF before new episodes arrive and also trying to convince my wife what a great series Blake's 7 is. I'm not having a great deal of luck with the latter unfortunately but we aren't giving up yet!
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 5, 2016 13:28:06 GMT
I started a rematch a couple of months ago and am just into series 2. I've been trying to fill the huge time gap left by BF before new episodes arrive and also trying to convince my wife what a great series Blake's 7 is. I'm not having a great deal of luck with the latter unfortunately but we aren't giving up yet! I'm lucky that my wife can just about remember it and likes it. In fact she listened to the full cast audios before I did . Last night was Countdown - Enjoyed it, very similar style to series 1 and Blake was back to being how I remembered and we get an entrance by Del Grant too. Cheers Tony
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 5, 2016 15:39:02 GMT
I've been enjoying listening to the Down and Safe podcast - commentary on the show, episode by episode. They touch on some of the complaints you've mentioned. I'm a little behind listening, though, haven't started on the season 2 commentaries yet. Listening to Episode 15 (Lobster Suit) - Wow! I thought I was scathing of Travis in series 2 ... Cheers Tony
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Post by The Matt on Feb 5, 2016 20:11:20 GMT
I love B7. I rarely do a full run but will regularly put on an episode from anywhere in the show depending on which crew I'm in the mood for.
i think most people think Travis in season 2 was just awful.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 6, 2016 8:11:05 GMT
Last night we watched Gambit and The Keeper. Blake is back to being an Arse and I really don't want to comment on Travis... But he looked even more like a Panto villain in that floppy hat and cloak ("They're behind you... ").
I might have to watch The Keeper again because I couldn't work out why Servalan was on Goth. She was there and then just disappeared - I must have missed something.
Next up will be Star One, and then I'll listen to Warship before hitting series 3.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 6, 2016 8:52:48 GMT
The idea of Travis 2 works for me, he's shouty and unhinged and works as an antagonist. The only issue is that Travis 1 is utterly different. Someone (Alan Stevens I think) compared them to someone who went through officer training (Travis 1) and someone who worked his way up from squaddie (Travis 2) to reach the rank of Space Commander. However, I have trouble imagining Travis 1 being the Butcher of Zircaster and massacring civilians without order to do so, Travis 2 would do so if someone looked at him sideways. Travis 1 simply doesn't care, he's not exactly nihilistic but he certainly cares about very little, Travis 2 OTOH wants everything to burn.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 6, 2016 10:55:07 GMT
That's an interesting point Sir Wearer of Hats and I can see where you're coming from, he just doesn't work for me I'm afraid. I guess it wouldn't be a problem if we hadn't already had Travis 1 . Cheers Tony
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Post by bobod on Feb 9, 2016 10:08:42 GMT
Travis II, I agree, more fits the character as it should be. It ends up not working as well but it's more *right*. He should be a brutal Sergeant Major type not a silky smooth officer. More Windsor Davies than Donald Hewlett.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 15, 2016 15:48:39 GMT
Watched Star One last night and then listened to Warship directly after. I was very impressed with how well it fit and the overlap with the end of Star One was excellent. Avon and Villa sounded just the same . Next up is Aftermath. Cheers Tony
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Post by Ela on Feb 15, 2016 16:22:43 GMT
Yeah, it's pretty cool how well Warship fits in with Star One. I remember that the first time I watched Star One, I was a bit breathless. That's how you end a season? On a giant cliff-hanger?
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Post by renny on Feb 15, 2016 18:20:24 GMT
just watched weapon. really enjoying watching this all again after so long!
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 20, 2016 0:52:27 GMT
Late to the party here but started a re-watch a couple of weeks ago but have binged over the last week or so (holidays... and the recent, tragic news) and am currently at the end of Series B. I haven't watched it like that since the DVDs came out however many years ago.
Thoughts: Series A has what a lot of shows these days call "tone." There's a real effort to give the universe some realism and consistency in things like props, costumes and in the writing.
Series B has many of my favourite episodes in it but it's a bit of a roller coaster in terms of quality, although some of them (Hostage and Voice From The Past) aren't as dire as I remember them and others (Gambit - the Vila and Avon subplot is amusing but the main part of the episode is a bit run of the mill) aren't as good as I remember them, either. VFTP's issues appear to be mostly the Shivan costume and voice and the backdrop outside the mining base. The rest is just ordinary, although the climax is great.
(My wife made me promise not to tell anyone but when we watched Gambit, she took one look at the guy threatening Docholli in the first couple of minutes and said, "That's Blake's lawyer from the first episode." I've never spotted it before, but a quick glance at Tony Atwood's Programme Guide confirms it.)
The thing that struck me during both Series' was the forward motion of the plot: A has the crew getting the Liberator and building up a reputation and then becoming genuinely formidable; B has the search for Central Control/ Star One which is mentioned at the very least in every episode just about.
Really enjoying them.
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Post by Ela on Apr 20, 2016 2:02:45 GMT
(My wife made me promise not to tell anyone but when we watched Gambit, she took one look at the guy threatening Docholli in the first couple of minutes and said, "That's Blake's lawyer from the first episode." I've never spotted it before, but a quick glance at Tony Atwood's Programme Guide confirms it.) Huh, I never noticed that, either.
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 21, 2016 5:14:33 GMT
(My wife made me promise not to tell anyone but when we watched Gambit, she took one look at the guy threatening Docholli in the first couple of minutes and said, "That's Blake's lawyer from the first episode." I've never spotted it before, but a quick glance at Tony Atwood's Programme Guide confirms it.) Huh, I never noticed that, either. My wife has only been a casual viewer of the show - she watched every episode on video when we were dating, because she thought it was a cute fixation of mine, but our viewing of the first episode was in the "Beginning" video which features 4 episodes cut down to 30 minutes apiece and the lawyer barely features except for a couple of shots. She's hardly watched the DVDs and was barely watching Gambit with me - spotting obscure actors is her superpower, I think.
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Post by shutupbanks on May 8, 2016 9:55:34 GMT
Finished the rewatch a few days ago.
First thoughts: overall, watching it three or four episodes at a time I was impressed at just how "even" the series is. Despite being written by 19 different authors, having the same script editor all the way through really affects the stability of the continuity, keeping a lot of consistency and making some of the more outre episodes feel as though it is just a weird adventure happening to the same people. The first series has, IMNSHO, the least number of clunky episodes, but also the least number of standouts: it felt, as I said above, like an ongoing serial. Ditto the second series, although it had some real clunkers (Hostage and Voice From The Past are amongst the worst episodes and they are really only let down by a couple of dodgy scenes and some moments that just scream, "WE'VE RUN OUT OF MONEY!"), but it felt like a show that was beginning to stretch its format and try some new stuff. Except for the way that Jenna and Cally were relegated to looking after the ship. Series C feels the most generic, even though it contains a lot of my favourite episodes (Aftermath/ Powerplay, City, Rumours, Deathwatch, Terminal). It suffers from just being a series of random adventures without "a line through the pattern of infinity" to mark some kind of continuity. And, yes, I know a lot of people like that. It also has a few rubbish stories (Moloch and Dawn Of The Gods are a bit ordinary, IMNSHO) but takes some interesting risks (Sarcophagus), although the continuing attempts by Servalan to get hold of the Liberator are wearying. Series D felt like a reinvention. It had a strong-ish start (Rescue, which I love despite the dodgy Dorian Gray retelling) but failed to capitalise on that until Headhunter: the scripts between really felt as though they needed a few more revisions to them or just more time. The second half is a spectacular series of setbacks on the part of the characters as they head into failure after failure after failure until THAT ENDING. And the way that Avon starts to mirror Blake's original plan of setting up alliances and networks is handled terrifically. Where it's let down is in the episodes that were clearly rushed: Animals feels as though it would have been an okay Cally story (although she gets brainwashed rather than possessed here and the age gap between her and Justin is less squicky); Assassin is a pretty good episode but suffers from one performance that really drags it down to ordinary; I wish Power had focused more on the decaying technologies rather than the gender issues; and Stardrive would have been much better with better thought out antagonists. I also wish the show had dealt more effectively with Dayna and Soolin: Josette Simon is great but I would have liked to have seen some more stories focused around her during her time. Glynis Barber is also fantastic in just about every scene she's in, and works really hard with scripts that don't really give her much to do or work with. On the whole, I felt that the show has aged pretty well. When the effects work they are really good for a show ofthat vintage. When they don't they are an embarrassment. The writing still stands up, especially the episodes by Chris Boucher who was one of the few writers who could create a script that gave all the regulars something to do.
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