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Post by jasonward on Feb 17, 2016 15:10:35 GMT
No her words are ambiguous and open to interpretation, as I say "appears to be saying" which to me she does appear to be saying "not good enough" you and others may have alternative interpretations.
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Post by bobod on Feb 17, 2016 15:35:45 GMT
Sorry, but I do think you're putting words in her mouth and then saying you don't like those words.
If it's not (good) enough for her, and playing the part on audio makes her upset to think of the missed TV potential, that's her perogative. It's not actually an insult to people who enjoy the audios. It's not saying 'these are crap', it's saying 'they're not for me'.
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Post by jasonward on Feb 17, 2016 15:44:56 GMT
*shrug* my interpretation is as good as the next, as is yours, but your the one trying to persuade me I'm wrong in mine, I'm not swayed, but I have no problem with you having your own, nor hold any desire to see your change you mind to match mine. To me she appears to be saying "not good enough", to you she appears to be saying something different. Cool.
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Post by bobod on Feb 17, 2016 15:50:43 GMT
The only 'problem' I have is that your opinion causes you to be casting negative comment on Eve, which I don't think is fair or supported by the information we know. It's got nothing to do with your actual opinion on not being the same as mine - more the result of that opinion.
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Post by jasonward on Feb 17, 2016 16:06:31 GMT
But your opinion apparently causes you to defend her, which I don't think is fair based on the information we know.
That's the thing with interpretations and opinions, and your posts have not changed mine, and I doubt will.
And I see no issue with me posting what I did, nor do I feel all posts should always be kind and nice and uncontroversial - scathing, unpleasant and controversial all have their places.
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Post by kimalysong on Feb 17, 2016 16:26:00 GMT
Note if you read through her tweets she only had positive things to say about the story and working with Big Finish.
I understand it is disappointing that she may not want to do more but that is her prerogative.
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Post by bobod on Feb 17, 2016 16:27:08 GMT
Heaven forbid we give someone the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 16:42:48 GMT
She's retweeted BF reviews, and thanked fans or their praise of More Than This so I doubt it's anything anti-BF. I think - as we all have done in our lives - has decided to draw a line under whats come before and keep pushing ahead. Anyone in Broadchurch would be fielding offers left-right and centre but she was pretty much the star of it this year. It was really her story. Maybe she hoped with her gaining more fame and Barrowman being a regular in a huge US tv series that Torchwood had a chance of a revival. When it didn't come to pass? I can see the attraction of leaving it behind rather than dwell on it.
I'll miss her massively as Gwen. Such warmth and humanity.
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Post by Shiny on Feb 17, 2016 20:49:51 GMT
Out of the Torchwood characters to have come back for Big Finish, Gwen was the one I enjoyed hearing from again the most. This is a huge loss for the Torchwood range, even though they still have plenty of other characters to focus on. This also makes it very unlikely we'll get Rhys again and he's another character I really liked hearing again. I'm sure the future audios with Tosh and Suzie and Victorian Jack will be great, but I can't help but feel less excited about the range now.
Oh well, she played the role on and off for very nearly a decade. I have no right to complain.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 18, 2016 2:08:15 GMT
How can there be Torchwood without Gwen? BF's Torchwood stories have been good so far, but they need to get back to stories that feature a whole team. For that, they need Gwen. I hope she changes her mind at some point.
Do we know if there are no more Gwen stories, or if Eve Myles has already recorded one or two stories for the next season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 2:43:20 GMT
I certainly hope that 2.5 and/or 2.6 are Gwen stories so that she can be written out of the show in a way that allows Big Finish to push forward chronologically. I also hope Big Finish reveals that information very soon.
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Post by chrism on Feb 18, 2016 3:42:48 GMT
It's completely ridiculous but, I felt myself welling up as I read this news story. I'm a man in my very late 30's and I'm becoming stupidly emotional over an actor not wanting to play a part anymore. Seems ludicrous just reading that line back!
It feels that new Torchwood was such a long time coming, and now the mockers have been put on it before it's really, properly begun.
I respect Eve Miles decision, its her choice to make. Still, I'm much more upset by this than is probably respectable.
Maybe, if they'd gone straight in with 'Series 5' featuring all the remaining principle cast recording together things would have been different. We'll never know now. Such a shame.
Bye Gwen, I shall miss you.
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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 21, 2016 10:30:36 GMT
Not so ridiculous, I've been gutted every time a member of Torchwood left the show but Gwen most especially. This one is still trying to sink in.
Worse because I wish I was writing an e-mail to Netflix asking them to please consider remedying the situation but I really haven't a clue what it's about exactly, although it sounds as if she believes that Torchwood still has potential as a TV series that isn't being fulfilled (and I would agree).
Still, given the timing and all, I do have the feeling that the decision might not have been entirely spontaneous and that we've been let down as easily as possible here, and that is much appreciated.
I will continue to hope that Eve can and will return to Torchwood whenever it does seem like a sensible thing to do.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 21, 2016 17:44:00 GMT
The only 'problem' I have is that your opinion causes you to be casting negative comment on Eve, which I don't think is fair or supported by the information we know. It's got nothing to do with your actual opinion on not being the same as mine - more the result of that opinion. I feel like you are pretty much on the nose. Her words read less like sour grapes and more like disappointment. This doesn't read as a problem with a Big Finish or having problems with the character or the series but more to do with it simply not giving her what she needs as a actor in this particular role. She is clearly very passionate about playing Gwen Cooper and about loving Torchwood but doing it on audio isn't the same as making it for television and she doesn't seem to be able to get past that. She wants Torchwood to be a specific thing and I think it is perfectly reasonable stance to take. There is nothing that I've read in her tweets and comments to imply a negative towards the show, the fans or Big Finish. We got her for two more audio adventures. Let's thank her for them and move on. |
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Post by jasonward on Feb 21, 2016 18:09:15 GMT
The only 'problem' I have is that your opinion causes you to be casting negative comment on Eve, which I don't think is fair or supported by the information we know. It's got nothing to do with your actual opinion on not being the same as mine - more the result of that opinion. I feel like you are pretty much on the nose. Her words read less like sour grapes and more like disappointment. This doesn't read as a problem with a Big Finish or having problems with the character or the series but more to do with it simply not giving her what she needs as a actor in this particular role. She is clearly very passionate about playing Gwen Cooper and about loving Torchwood but doing it on audio isn't the same as making it for television and she doesn't seem to be able to get past that. She wants Torchwood to be a specific thing and I think it is perfectly reasonable stance to take. There is nothing that I've read in her tweets and comments to imply a negative towards the show, the fans or Big Finish. We got her for two more audio adventures. Let's thank her for them and move on. Given that I never said, nor implied that there was anything in Eve's tweets that was negative towards the show, the fans or Big Finish, I'm not sure what your point is. But seriously, why do people feel the need to get so irritated by what I think? You disagree, fine, say so if you wish, but why am I not be entitled to my view or able to express it? Are views that I don't share somehow more intrinsicly good? Truthful? Wholesome? |
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Post by bobod on Feb 21, 2016 18:22:04 GMT
But seriously, why do people feel the need to get so irritated by someone challenging what they think?
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Post by mrfuggleboppins on Feb 21, 2016 18:44:55 GMT
Eve Myles can do what she likes with her career.
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Post by avgjoefriday on Feb 21, 2016 19:49:55 GMT
This makes me sad. I hope perhaps they are able to "write her out" in such a way that she may come back one day. Perhaps she gets sucked in to the new anchor less rift vaccum hose, leaving Rhys and Capt Jack, etc to spend the next several years looking for her. It would certainly give Torchwood a new distinct high-stakes purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 21:55:59 GMT
It doesn't make me sad, as actors are free to choose what roles they do or don't do... just as I can choose what job I take. Although I would like to think that Eve will change her mind one day, as for me Torchwood was more about Gwen Cooper than Cpt Jack. In our little world here on the Divergent Universe forum it doesn't have to be visual to be appreciated, so a proper new Torchwood 'season' on audio by Big Finish would be fine with me, but I have to say it would be a shame if Eve Myles wasn't part of it.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 21, 2016 22:29:37 GMT
I feel like you are pretty much on the nose. Her words read less like sour grapes and more like disappointment. This doesn't read as a problem with a Big Finish or having problems with the character or the series but more to do with it simply not giving her what she needs as a actor in this particular role. She is clearly very passionate about playing Gwen Cooper and about loving Torchwood but doing it on audio isn't the same as making it for television and she doesn't seem to be able to get past that. She wants Torchwood to be a specific thing and I think it is perfectly reasonable stance to take. There is nothing that I've read in her tweets and comments to imply a negative towards the show, the fans or Big Finish. We got her for two more audio adventures. Let's thank her for them and move on. Given that I never said, nor implied that there was anything in Eve's tweets that was negative towards the show, the fans or Big Finish, I'm not sure what your point is. But seriously, why do people feel the need to get so irritated by what I think? You disagree, fine, say so if you wish, but why am I not be entitled to my view or able to express it? Are views that I don't share somehow more intrinsicly good? Truthful? Wholesome? Where did I exactly mention you or where does it say I have a problem with what you think or the opinions you chose to express? |
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