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Post by tuigirl on Nov 28, 2019 9:48:23 GMT
I rewatched Face the Raven 😭 It’s a brilliant but heartbreaking episode! I love the world building with the trap street and the human appearances of the aliens who live there suggest the type of alien they are. I love the suspense and the heartbreaking ending. Now on to a bit of a rant, I really really really hate Me(Ashildr)! Now don’t get me wrong her actress gives a good performance,as the Viking girl turned immortal . But Me is one of if not the biggest karma Houdini in all Doctor Who. She wants revenge against the Doctor despite him originally giving her immortality as an act of kindness. She was trying to sell out the Doctor to Rassilon. The Doctor should definitely have not given Clara to her to travel with considering her views of flippant views of treating people! End rant! Clara’s death and 12’s reaction leading up to it are so heartbreaking they rival the scene on the beach with Rose and 10. You truly get the impression that 12 and Clara are each other’s true equals. 12 does not just seem sad his hearts are utterly shattered into a million tiny pieces. Well, I had a similar initial reaction until I had someone explain things to me plainly and I now see it in a different light. I think the episode is brilliant and it is a great end for Clara. I despise Hell Bent and what Moffat tried to do with bringing back Clara there. Ashildr... She does not want revenge against the Doctor. Not as such. The Doctor made a huge mistake in saving her and I think in the end of the Viking episode, he realizes. Yes, he wanted to be kind, but that has become his obsession and what he did was cursing and damning that poor girl. Against better judgement since he himself has experienced similar issues with being immortal. He again ran away, without teaching and supporting the girl, left her alone with her curse while her life was destroyed. Wonderfully filmed sequence in the Viking episode where the time passes and the optimistic smile of the girl turns into hollow mask. This made the Doctor an irresponsible monster, not a kind man. There is a reason Time Lord Training takes so long (centuries?) and he just left her to fend for himself. Ashildor also did not want to sell the Doctor to Rassilon. She was well aware that Rassilon was not a nice guy. She was blackmailed. But what does the Doctor do in exchange? He threatens her back. Ashildr is basically running a refugee camp at that time, looking after the people who end up in the wake of the Doctor. She is doing what the Doctor refuses to do and takes responsibility. She is the grown up. She is responsible for all these people and why should she sacrifice them for an irresponsible Doctor? Instead of showing kindness and understanding, the Doctor (!) threatens Ashildr that he will call in the Daleks and WIPE OUT a REFUGEE CAMP. It took me a while, but I finally understood what they were doing here. And how clever it was set up. The Doctor is the villain here. Luckily Clara can talk him out of it, reminds him that he is not supposed to be a monster. Clara acts as his conscience. And then she dies. And then the Doctor is sent to purgatory for his sins. Heaven Sent is beautiful. And then comes Hell Bent. The less said, the better.
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Post by timegirl on Nov 28, 2019 10:14:30 GMT
I rewatched Face the Raven 😭 It’s a brilliant but heartbreaking episode! I love the world building with the trap street and the human appearances of the aliens who live there suggest the type of alien they are. I love the suspense and the heartbreaking ending. Now on to a bit of a rant, I really really really hate Me(Ashildr)! Now don’t get me wrong her actress gives a good performance,as the Viking girl turned immortal . But Me is one of if not the biggest karma Houdini in all Doctor Who. She wants revenge against the Doctor despite him originally giving her immortality as an act of kindness. She was trying to sell out the Doctor to Rassilon. The Doctor should definitely have not given Clara to her to travel with considering her views of flippant views of treating people! End rant! Clara’s death and 12’s reaction leading up to it are so heartbreaking they rival the scene on the beach with Rose and 10. You truly get the impression that 12 and Clara are each other’s true equals. 12 does not just seem sad his hearts are utterly shattered into a million tiny pieces. Well, I had a similar initial reaction until I had someone explain things to me plainly and I now see it in a different light. I think the episode is brilliant and it is a great end for Clara. I despise Hell Bent and what Moffat tried to do with bringing back Clara there. Ashildr... She does not want revenge against the Doctor. Not as such. The Doctor made a huge mistake in saving her and I think in the end of the Viking episode, he realizes. Yes, he wanted to be kind, but that has become his obsession and what he did was cursing and damning that poor girl. Against better judgement since he himself has experienced similar issues with being immortal. He again ran away, without teaching and supporting the girl, left her alone with her curse while her life was destroyed. Wonderfully filmed sequence in the Viking episode where the time passes and the optimistic smile of the girl turns into hollow mask. This made the Doctor an irresponsible monster, not a kind man. There is a reason Time Lord Training takes so long (centuries?) and he just left her to fend for himself. Ashildor also did not want to sell the Doctor to Rassilon. She was well aware that Rassilon was not a nice guy. She was blackmailed. But what does the Doctor do in exchange? He threatens her back. Ashildr is basically running a refugee camp at that time, looking after the people who end up in the wake of the Doctor. She is doing what the Doctor refuses to do and takes responsibility. She is the grown up. She is responsible for all these people and why should she sacrifice them for an irresponsible Doctor? Instead of showing kindness and understanding, the Doctor (!) threatens Ashildr that he will call in the Daleks and WIPE OUT a REFUGEE CAMP. It took me a while, but I finally understood what they were doing here. And how clever it was set up. The Doctor is the villain here. Luckily Clara can talk him out of it, reminds him that he is not supposed to be a monster. Clara acts as his conscience. And then she dies. And then the Doctor is sent to purgatory for his sins. Heaven Sent is beautiful. And then comes Hell Bent. The less said, the better. I do see what you mean, and I agree with you, although I still don’t like Me (Ashildr) that much. She did still have an arrogant and selfish side and did also use the death penalty for any crime committed in the Trap Street no matter how small.Also I guess I just really don’t like the what they do with Ashildr at in Hell Bent🤔
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 28, 2019 11:02:49 GMT
Well, I had a similar initial reaction until I had someone explain things to me plainly and I now see it in a different light. I think the episode is brilliant and it is a great end for Clara. I despise Hell Bent and what Moffat tried to do with bringing back Clara there. Ashildr... She does not want revenge against the Doctor. Not as such. The Doctor made a huge mistake in saving her and I think in the end of the Viking episode, he realizes. Yes, he wanted to be kind, but that has become his obsession and what he did was cursing and damning that poor girl. Against better judgement since he himself has experienced similar issues with being immortal. He again ran away, without teaching and supporting the girl, left her alone with her curse while her life was destroyed. Wonderfully filmed sequence in the Viking episode where the time passes and the optimistic smile of the girl turns into hollow mask. This made the Doctor an irresponsible monster, not a kind man. There is a reason Time Lord Training takes so long (centuries?) and he just left her to fend for himself. Ashildor also did not want to sell the Doctor to Rassilon. She was well aware that Rassilon was not a nice guy. She was blackmailed. But what does the Doctor do in exchange? He threatens her back. Ashildr is basically running a refugee camp at that time, looking after the people who end up in the wake of the Doctor. She is doing what the Doctor refuses to do and takes responsibility. She is the grown up. She is responsible for all these people and why should she sacrifice them for an irresponsible Doctor? Instead of showing kindness and understanding, the Doctor (!) threatens Ashildr that he will call in the Daleks and WIPE OUT a REFUGEE CAMP. It took me a while, but I finally understood what they were doing here. And how clever it was set up. The Doctor is the villain here. Luckily Clara can talk him out of it, reminds him that he is not supposed to be a monster. Clara acts as his conscience. And then she dies. And then the Doctor is sent to purgatory for his sins. Heaven Sent is beautiful. And then comes Hell Bent. The less said, the better. I do see what you mean, and I agree with you, although I still don’t like Me (Ashildr) that much. She did still have an arrogant and selfish side and did also use the death penalty for any crime committed in the Trap Street no matter how small.Also I guess I just really don’t like the what they do with Ashildr at in Hell Bent🤔 Haha, I do not like Hell Bent full stop.
But I think Ashildr is not meant to be liked. She is not a hero, she is supposed to be a normal person with many flaws who has been forced into this immortal role without anyone teaching her. I think it is exactly the point they wanted to make.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 12:37:29 GMT
I do see what you mean, and I agree with you, although I still don’t like Me (Ashildr) that much. She did still have an arrogant and selfish side and did also use the death penalty for any crime committed in the Trap Street no matter how small.Also I guess I just really don’t like the what they do with Ashildr at in Hell Bent🤔 Haha, I do not like Hell Bent full stop. But I think Ashildr is not meant to be liked. She is not a hero, she is supposed to be a normal person with many flaws who has been forced into this immortal role without anyone teaching her. I think it is exactly the point they wanted to make.
I think Hell Bent was where we hit critical mass for the traditional "woman with a secret" story arc that the revival series often did. We could do once more around the park with Missy, but after Series 9, it was kaput and time enough to move on. Heaven Sent was one of those scenarios where I'd have been happy with what was done for The Name of the Doctor. We see the Doctor return to Gallifrey, some major events happen off-screen, and we end up on Darillium with him mulling it all over. Memory intact. It was our first full view of Gallifrey since The End of Time and everything that had been established in The Day of the Doctor. The War, the pocket dimension, rewriting the Time Lords's fate... There was just too much to unpack there for a single episode. The Doctor could have ended up anywhere else really (Skaro, Karn, et al.) and it would have still been the same story. *scratches chin* There's still a very good tale waiting to be told about a Gallifrey Return'd out there. What do Time Lords become when they, despite all their preexisting power, have no desire/ability to preside over Time? Who inherits that responsibility?
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Post by timegirl on Nov 28, 2019 19:46:16 GMT
Just rewatched Smile today, it’s a really clever prediction of the future, with its sinister use of emojis🤔😀some really nice world building with the entire building being made of tiny robots. I also think the whole concept of a grief plague is really interesting and terrifying! 12 and Bill are amazing team as always!I love how curious and questioning she is with 12, they kind of remind me of a modern version of 7 and Ace! The ending with 12 reprogramming the robots to forget about the humans so they are the indigenous species and then 12 putting together a piece agreement between the robots and humans, is so cleaver! On a side note, do the colonists sleep pods remind anyone else of the pods from Ark in Space?
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Post by polly on Nov 28, 2019 20:11:20 GMT
Just to get my two cents in before the topic is totally closed...I liked the idea of Ashildr - the Doctor basically siring a fellow immortal who then takes a markedly different philosophy from himself. But I don't think they tapped that vein anywhere near as well as they could have.
I'd have liked her to go pretty far down a bad path most of the season, then finally become a companion or recurring ally. I think it could have made for a very good mentor relationship - the Doctor who was unsure if he's a good person helping this eternal woman he's created become one.
I also really don't like weaseling Clara out of her fate from Face the Raven. It's like Moffat just couldn't bear to kill his darling Clara for real and wrote her a cheap escape hatch. I know she has to go back eventually but the audience will never see that moment so it may as well never happen.
Heaven Sent, though. That there's one hell of an episode.
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 28, 2019 20:39:09 GMT
Just rewatched Smile today, it’s a really clever prediction of the future, with its sinister use of emojis🤔😀some really nice world building with the entire building being made of tiny robots. I also think the whole concept of a grief plague is really interesting and terrifying! 12 and Bill are amazing team as always!I love how curious and questioning she is with 12, they kind of remind me of a modern version of 7 and Ace! The ending with 12 reprogramming the robots to forget about the humans so they are the indigenous species and then 12 putting together a piece agreement between the robots and humans, is so cleaver! On a side note, do the colonists sleep pods remind anyone else of the pods from Ark in Space? The colony was set up to escape the same catastrophe, wasn’t it? So that makes sense.
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Post by theotherjosh on Nov 29, 2019 16:37:47 GMT
The Three Doctors
There is an argument that Star Wars IV: A New Hope is the only Star Wars movies that doesn't take place in the Star Wars Universe. It's got that early installment weirdness and many of the tropes that would later be codified don't yet exist.
I think there is an argument to be made that the Three Doctors is when Doctor Who really begins. (You could make similar arguments for the Deadly Assassin or The War Games as well, but I'm hardly going to undermine my own thesis)
But look at all the stuff from this story that became the bedrock of the show's mythology. We'd never had a multi-Doctor story previously and now the Doctor can't swing a dead Splinx around the TARDIS without hitting four or five previous incarnations.
And Omega! And his shouting! And his hat!
He is a great adversary, though. I tend to prefer baddies designed along human lines, for the very practical reason that it's harder to mess them up. Compare Omega's appearance to the other effects in the episode. He holds up in a way that they don't.
It restored the Doctor to the stars. I do enjoy the Third Doctor stories that preceded it, but I think that format had gone on as long as it could. Doctor Who has always been a story about reinvention and this change gave new life to the Pertwee era.
It's a shame that Hartnell was in such ill health that his participation was as limited as it was, but I'm thankful that he had the opportunity to close the circle on his involvement with Doctor Who.
Pertwee and Troughton are excellent together. The UNIT cast are wonderful as always, and the resolution is clever and rewarding. Justifiably considered a classic.
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Post by polly on Nov 29, 2019 20:04:30 GMT
Planet of the Spiders - I don't think this story is particularly good on its own merits, but I can't help getting caught up in it as the end of an era. Not just for Pertwee, but for UNIT's regular presence as well, more or less. Also earns a couple points for the hilarious, ludicrous, Part 2 chase scene. Jon must've been thrilled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 3:51:08 GMT
Planet of the Spiders - I don't think this story is particularly good on its own merits, but I can't help getting caught up in it as the end of an era. Not just for Pertwee, but for UNIT's regular presence as well, more or less. Also earns a couple points for the hilarious, ludicrous, Part 2 chase scene. Jon must've been thrilled. I've an interesting bit of trivia regarding some of the Buddhist overtones to The Planet of the Spiders. Specifically, how they pertain to the Doctor's character. In the version of the tale I'm familiar with, Gautama Buddha began his life in luxury. A great palace with everything he could have ever wanted, but his father kept him isolated from the world beyond it. One day, he discovered the suffering beyond his home and left to become an ascetic in the wilderness. An exile. Practicing pacifism and self-denial. He stayed there for a time until he learnt that this was not the path he wanted to follow either. He chose a balance between the two worlds. Between luxury and the exile. There are a few distinctive differences, but that sounds an awful lot like our favourite Time Lord. I wonder if Barry Letts made the connection?
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Post by polly on Nov 30, 2019 21:37:43 GMT
I've an interesting bit of trivia regarding some of the Buddhist overtones to The Planet of the Spiders. Specifically, how they pertain to the Doctor's character. In the version of the tale I'm familiar with, Gautama Buddha began his life in luxury. A great palace with everything he could have ever wanted, but his father kept him isolated from the world beyond it. One day, he discovered the suffering beyond his home and left to become an ascetic in the wilderness. An exile. Practicing pacifism and self-denial. He stayed there for a time until he learnt that this was not the path he wanted to follow either. He chose a balance between the two worlds. Between luxury and the exile. There are a few distinctive differences, but that sounds an awful lot like our favourite Time Lord. I wonder if Barry Letts made the connection? I didn't know that but I wouldn't be surprised if Barry did. The Buddhist stuff came from him, didn't it? Even if it wasn't conscious, maybe it was part of his mindset.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 2:45:43 GMT
I've an interesting bit of trivia regarding some of the Buddhist overtones to The Planet of the Spiders. Specifically, how they pertain to the Doctor's character. In the version of the tale I'm familiar with, Gautama Buddha began his life in luxury. A great palace with everything he could have ever wanted, but his father kept him isolated from the world beyond it. One day, he discovered the suffering beyond his home and left to become an ascetic in the wilderness. An exile. Practicing pacifism and self-denial. He stayed there for a time until he learnt that this was not the path he wanted to follow either. He chose a balance between the two worlds. Between luxury and the exile. There are a few distinctive differences, but that sounds an awful lot like our favourite Time Lord. I wonder if Barry Letts made the connection? I didn't know that but I wouldn't be surprised if Barry did. The Buddhist stuff came from him, didn't it? Even if it wasn't conscious, maybe it was part of his mindset. Yeah, I'd say there's a distinct possibility. There are little touches of it here and there throughout the Third Doctor's era. The Doctor's lovely little parable about "the daisiest daisy" in The Time Monster, for instance, shares a few ideas from the concept of Enlightenment. It's one of those things that harmonises quite well in retrospect. A happy coincidence. Much like Susan mentioning that the Reign of Terror was one of the Doctor's favourite periods to explore. At the time, it was an interesting morsel. Now, with what we know of the Time Lords, you have to wonder how much of them he saw in the aristocrats of the era.
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Post by timegirl on Dec 2, 2019 19:09:04 GMT
Just rewatched The Zygon Invasion, I forgot what an amazing two parter this was! Just the first half alone has so much material! It’s a very tense thriller plot with some well done parallels to real world political issues! I think that the zygons are such interesting aliens particularly in this story, they have a lot of grey area in terms of their morality. The are very human, neither entirely bad nor entirely good. feel very fleshed out the way their plight is so sympathetic, being essentially refugees.
12 has some amazing and surprisingly funny moments in this as well. I love the callback to the caretaker about being in deep cover😄Also how can you not love Doctor Disco and Doctor Funkenstein?!😀😂 oh and the revelation that 12 wears question mark underwear(No, I swear, I definitely have not imagined what 12 would look like in those)😳😉
There is so much good suspense, like with the family in Clara’s apartment building, the creepy little girl zygons...but that scene where the zygons take the form of loved ones is the most devastating 😰
Also anyone else think Jenna Coleman is almost too good at playing a villain as Bonnie the zygon? I actually think Jenna would be really good at playing a sort of fem fatale James Bond villain !😈
I can’t wait to rewatch the Zygon Inversion!😀
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 2, 2019 19:51:11 GMT
Just rewatched The Zygon Invasion, I forgot what an amazing two parter this was! Just the first half alone has so much material! It’s a very tense thriller plot with some well done parallels to real world political issues! I think that the zygons are such interesting aliens particularly in this story, they have a lot of grey area in terms of their morality. The are very human, neither entirely bad nor entirely good. feel very fleshed out the way their plight is so sympathetic, being essentially refugees. 12 has some amazing and surprisingly funny moments in this as well. I love the callback to the caretaker about being in deep cover😄Also how can you not love Doctor Disco and Doctor Funkenstein?!😀😂 oh and the revelation that 12 wears question mark underwear(No, I swear, I definitely have not imagined what 12 would look like in those)😳😉 There is so much good suspense, like with the family in Clara’s apartment building, the creepy little girl zygons...but that scene where the zygons take the form of loved ones is the most devastating 😰 Also anyone else think Jenna Coleman is almost too good at playing a villain as Bonnie the zygon? I actually think Jenna would be really good at playing a sort of fem fatale James Bond villain !😈 I can’t wait to rewatch the Zygon Inversion!😀 It is quite good, even taken a few huge plot holes into account (How can trained UNIT soldiers be so stupid and walk into the trap? What happened to the President Plane's crew? Or was the plane remote controlled? Just to name 2).
And you are right, Jenna Coleman is brilliant in this. It also gets the balance between comedy and serious drama right. And finally we get to see more of Osgood! But the best thing is that amazing anti-war speech at the end which makes me tear up every time.
As for the question mark underpants... at least we know how 8 looks wearing them (it is from the 8th Doctor comics, The Glorious Dead). Just extrapolate... although, why you would want to do that with 12 when you have 8 on offer...
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Post by timegirl on Dec 2, 2019 19:59:46 GMT
Just rewatched The Zygon Invasion, I forgot what an amazing two parter this was! Just the first half alone has so much material! It’s a very tense thriller plot with some well done parallels to real world political issues! I think that the zygons are such interesting aliens particularly in this story, they have a lot of grey area in terms of their morality. The are very human, neither entirely bad nor entirely good. feel very fleshed out the way their plight is so sympathetic, being essentially refugees. 12 has some amazing and surprisingly funny moments in this as well. I love the callback to the caretaker about being in deep cover😄Also how can you not love Doctor Disco and Doctor Funkenstein?!😀😂 oh and the revelation that 12 wears question mark underwear(No, I swear, I definitely have not imagined what 12 would look like in those)😳😉 There is so much good suspense, like with the family in Clara’s apartment building, the creepy little girl zygons...but that scene where the zygons take the form of loved ones is the most devastating 😰 Also anyone else think Jenna Coleman is almost too good at playing a villain as Bonnie the zygon? I actually think Jenna would be really good at playing a sort of fem fatale James Bond villain !😈 I can’t wait to rewatch the Zygon Inversion!😀 It is quite good, even taken a few huge plot holes into account (How can trained UNIT soldiers be so stupid and walk into the trap? What happened to the President Plane's crew? Or was the plane remote controlled? Just to name 2).
And you are right, Jenna Coleman is brilliant in this. It also gets the balance between comedy and serious drama right. And finally we get to see more of Osgood! But the best thing is that amazing anti-war speech at the end which makes me tear up every time.
As for the question mark underpants... at least we know how 8 looks wearing them (it is from the 8th Doctor comics, The Glorious Dead). Just extrapolate... although, why you would want to do that with 12 when you have 8 on offer... It’s so good I didn’t notice the plot holes 😀but they do make sense now that you mention them🤔 I didn’t realize that the question mark underpants were not exclusive to 12🤣😳The more you know 😉 Although now I am both curious about 8 and 12....😄
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Post by timegirl on Dec 2, 2019 20:09:50 GMT
It is quite good, even taken a few huge plot holes into account (How can trained UNIT soldiers be so stupid and walk into the trap? What happened to the President Plane's crew? Or was the plane remote controlled? Just to name 2).
And you are right, Jenna Coleman is brilliant in this. It also gets the balance between comedy and serious drama right. And finally we get to see more of Osgood! But the best thing is that amazing anti-war speech at the end which makes me tear up every time.
As for the question mark underpants... at least we know how 8 looks wearing them (it is from the 8th Doctor comics, The Glorious Dead). Just extrapolate... although, why you would want to do that with 12 when you have 8 on offer... It’s so good I didn’t notice the plot holes 😀but they do make sense now that you mention them🤔 I didn’t realize that the question mark underpants were not exclusive to 12🤣😳The more you know 😉 Although now I am both curious about 8 and 12....😄 www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-11-15/stop-press-doctor-whos-peter-capaldi-confirms-those-question-mark-underpants-really-exist/Turns out they are real!!!🤣😳😀
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 2, 2019 20:14:17 GMT
It is quite good, even taken a few huge plot holes into account (How can trained UNIT soldiers be so stupid and walk into the trap? What happened to the President Plane's crew? Or was the plane remote controlled? Just to name 2).
And you are right, Jenna Coleman is brilliant in this. It also gets the balance between comedy and serious drama right. And finally we get to see more of Osgood! But the best thing is that amazing anti-war speech at the end which makes me tear up every time.
As for the question mark underpants... at least we know how 8 looks wearing them (it is from the 8th Doctor comics, The Glorious Dead). Just extrapolate... although, why you would want to do that with 12 when you have 8 on offer... It’s so good I didn’t notice the plot holes 😀but they do make sense now that you mention them🤔 I didn’t realize that the question mark underpants were not exclusive to 12🤣😳The more you know 😉 Although now I am both curious about 8 and 12....😄 I think showing 8 in his underpants in the comics was an insider joke towards the movie Withnail and I where Paul McGann spends A LOT of time in his underpants. Finally got around watching the movie last week and finally getting the inside jokes. Always late to the party...
Anyways, if you have not already, get the 8th Doctor comics. I held back a long time because I thought I would not enjoy them and they would be childish.
I was proven wrong. OMG, especially Oblivion and the Flood are absolutely amazing, featuring an awesome villain/ ambiguous companion named "Destrii" who might be one of the greatest companions ever created. She even gets to beat up the Doctor (and near sexually harasses him), and he still sees something good in her and gives her a chance.
I am pretty sure this would be right up your alley.
Especially because of some plot threats developing in these comics which you wanted to see with other Doctors (in the other thread), but I am not saying which ones since that would be Spoilers!
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 2, 2019 20:16:35 GMT
The TARDIS wiki even has it's own page on the topic...
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Post by timegirl on Dec 3, 2019 23:29:05 GMT
Just rewatched The Zygon Inversion, a brilliant conclusion to a two parter! The Osgoods are such interesting characters, I love their solidarity, and fact that the remaining Osgood caries a torch for her deceased counterpart 🤔 The Clara and Bonnie scenes are so intense, you almost forget they are are not really two different people The scenes with the Zygon who doesn’t want to be changed are so heartbreaking you really feel his desperation to live a normal life 😰 😀 More amazing 12 content! I always wondered what exactly is in his browser history?🤔🤣I wonder if it’s something saucy?!😄 Also imagine if the Doctor’s name really is Basil?!🤪🤣You know for all the serious moments 12 has he can be extremely silly sometimes!🤣😊
12’s speech during the Osgood box is magnificent! I think it’s one of his best scenes! I love the what he says about forgiveness and about there always being another revolution 😢 Such a powerful speech! 😃On a side note I also think that the fake American game show host voice he does is oddly hilarious 🤣 An amazing episode!😃
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Post by theotherjosh on Dec 4, 2019 15:25:08 GMT
I like Pluto TV’s Doctor Who channel, because it’s like the proverbial box of chocolates or the season 17 randomizer. You never know what you’re going to get.
This time around it served up The Android Invasion.
My favorite episode of the classic era is The Curse of Fenric. Terrance Dicks famously hated The Brain of Morbius (hence the "Robin Bland" pseudonym), but plenty of other people like it. Genesis of the Daleks is phenomenal, Remembrance was brilliant, Remembrance equally so. City of Death is the story you show your non-Whovian friends when you want them to like the show. My point is that every episode is somebody’s favorite.
Except maybe the Android Invasion.
There’s plenty to recommend it. Tom Baker is at the height of his powers. It’s no wonder he inspired a generation of American viewers. And yet…
I think the bottom line is that there’s nothing this story does that isn’t done better by another story.
I found an account online where Ian Marter asks why Harry Sullivan is even there, which kind of sums up the whole thing for me. It’s almost an existential question. “Why is the Android Invasion?”
Now, I do understand that difficulties emerge over the course of production, there are conflicting visions for a project and the end result may quite different from what was originally envisioned. But holy cow, guys. This a boring story. The thing I liked best about was imagining that the astronaut with the eyepatch (Crayford) thought that he was in the Inferno universe, so he was hiding out in the Brig’s office thinking the eyepatch would allow him to pass as Inferno-Brig. (That’s not true. The actual best thing I can say about it is that allowed Big Finish to produce the punny title “The Oseidon Adventure”, which I happen to find very funny.)
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