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Post by timegirl on Oct 13, 2021 17:36:36 GMT
There’s nothing wrong with shipping, it’s fun for those who do it, doesn’t hurt anyone and gives something positive to focus on that inspires art and fiction. There isn't. It's fun & has helped keep shows alive, expand the fandom, & allow people to express their creativity. However it does become a little problematic when it is seen as factual correct & the only real interpretation of characters relationships. All I was trying to say is that my interpretation didn’t come out of nowhere there are things on the show that support my views. Sorry if I came onto strong with my feelings sometimes I have trouble with tone. I’m just tired of being told that I just imagined their relationship out of thin air.
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 14, 2021 1:28:41 GMT
There’s nothing wrong with shipping, it’s fun for those who do it, doesn’t hurt anyone and gives something positive to focus on that inspires art and fiction. There isn't. It's fun & has helped keep shows alive, expand the fandom, & allow people to express their creativity. However it does become a little problematic when it is seen as factual correct & the only real interpretation of characters relationships. I don't know that anyone has tried to say that it's the only real interpretation of things, just that it is ONE legitimate way to see things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 8:22:18 GMT
Just finished the Web of Fear. I’m not a fan of the animated episode 3, but like a few people say I don’t think it deserves the bashing it’s had. The story is now among my favourites.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 14, 2021 11:30:57 GMT
Finished Series 8, and I quite enjoyed. Aside from the Doctor’s ridiculous over hostility to Danny in The Caretaker and In the Forest being really not good, I quite enjoyed it. Though I still can’t decide what I think of Kill the Moon. I don’t think he was overly hostile, it made perfect sense for 12 to be upset. He felt like Danny was his replacement/ rival for Clara’s affections. It might not have been exactly the right way for him to go about it but it was a natural reaction to have under the circumstances. People don’t always think rationally or do exactly the right thing when it comes to matters of the heart especially if they feel hurt emotionally. I think it would have been less believable and made less sense if 12 did get along with Danny in “The Caretaker “. I get that and, whilst I don’t share that interpretation, it’s a fair point. My main problem is the Doctor’s hostility starts before he even knows Danny is Clara’s boyfriend. The “PE” bit derives from their first conversation in the school yard, where the Doctor really denigrates Danny personally by continually assuming he’s a PE teacher, way before he figures out Danny’s relationship to Clara. And said PE nicnakme sticks even after Danny nominally earns the Doctor’s respect. The Doctor being inherently sceptical towards soldiers I get, but he’s never torn into their personal character in quite the same way before. It’s just not something I particularly like about Series 8.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 14, 2021 11:41:39 GMT
I don’t think he was overly hostile, it made perfect sense for 12 to be upset. He felt like Danny was his replacement/ rival for Clara’s affections. It might not have been exactly the right way for him to go about it but it was a natural reaction to have under the circumstances. People don’t always think rationally or do exactly the right thing when it comes to matters of the heart especially if they feel hurt emotionally. I think it would have been less believable and made less sense if 12 did get along with Danny in “The Caretaker “. I get that and, whilst I don’t share that interpretation, it’s a fair point. My main problem is the Doctor’s hostility starts before he even knows Danny is Clara’s boyfriend. The “PE” bit derives from their first conversation in the school yard, where the Doctor really denigrates Danny personally by continually assuming he’s a PE teacher, way before he figures out Danny’s relationship to Clara. And said PE nicnakme sticks even after Danny nominally earns the Doctor’s respect. The Doctor being inherently sceptical towards soldiers I get, but he’s never torn into their personal character in quite the same way before. It’s just not something I particularly like about Series 8. The entire intro scene is wrong, they don't know each other at all and yet immediately demises each other. Regards mark687
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Post by Ela on Oct 14, 2021 14:33:47 GMT
But you're completely ignoring that in the same episode, Capaldi's Doctor is happy to see Clara be interested in another guy - when he thinks it's the teacher who looks and dresses like Matt's Doc. So I'd read it as more evidence of the "I'm not your boyfriend..I never said it was your mistake" scene from Deep Breath, an admission from The Doctor that Matt's incarnation may have had those feelings. Capaldi was delighted to think Clara was after someone who looked the way he used to, he wasn't hurt in those scenes. Only because the other man reminded him of his previous incarnation so he felt like he could live through that relationship because he felt in a way it would mean Clara still had feelings for his previous self in a way. So while he mistakenly felt if Clara couldn’t love him in his current older harsher current form it was the next best thing for Clara to love someone who was very similar to his previous self at least as affirmation of her feelings for his last incarnation. I haven't seen any evidence in the series that 12 actually saw Clara romantically in any way. I know you like to look for evidence that there might be a romantic relationship there, and that's fine for you, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but a lot of people don't agree with your interpretation. And in fact, many articles have been written about the fact that Peter Capaldi did not want to have any hints of a romantic relationship between his Doctor and his companion.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 14, 2021 14:44:50 GMT
Only because the other man reminded him of his previous incarnation so he felt like he could live through that relationship because he felt in a way it would mean Clara still had feelings for his previous self in a way. So while he mistakenly felt if Clara couldn’t love him in his current older harsher current form it was the next best thing for Clara to love someone who was very similar to his previous self at least as affirmation of her feelings for his last incarnation. I haven't seen any evidence in the series that 12 actually saw Clara romantically in any way. I know you like to imagine that, and that's fine for you, but a lot of people don't agree with your interpretation. And in fact, many articles have been written about the fact that Peter Capaldi did not want to have any hints of a romantic relationship between his Doctor and his companion. They were quotes taken out of context. Here’s a later interview where he calls the relationship romantic: justseeeeeme.tumblr.com/post/174375285918/defining-whouffaldi
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Post by Ela on Oct 14, 2021 14:46:43 GMT
I haven't seen any evidence in the series that 12 actually saw Clara romantically in any way. I know you like to imagine that, and that's fine for you, but a lot of people don't agree with your interpretation. And in fact, many articles have been written about the fact that Peter Capaldi did not want to have any hints of a romantic relationship between his Doctor and his companion. They were quotes taken out of context. Here’s a later interview where he calls the relationship romantic: justseeeeeme.tumblr.com/post/174375285918/defining-whouffaldiThose are out of context, too. I can't judge them without seeing them in the larger context of the conversation or article in which he said that.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 14, 2021 14:53:40 GMT
Those are out of context, too. I can't judge them without seeing them in the larger context of the conversation or article in which he said that. Here’s part of the interview where he says it’s truly romantic: youtu.be/VIOOAJKE_pAIt doesn’t have that exact part but he does talk about how they have understated romantic feelings for each other in this clip.
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Post by Ela on Oct 14, 2021 14:56:34 GMT
Those are out of context, too. I can't judge them without seeing them in the larger context of the conversation or article in which he said that. Here’s part of the interview where he says it’s truly romantic: youtu.be/VIOOAJKE_pAIt doesn’t have that exact part but he does talk about how they have understated romantic feelings for each other in this clip. Still not enough context for me, sorry. Saying "they're crazy about each other" isn't the same as saying they have romantic feelings for each other.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 14, 2021 23:40:03 GMT
Oh, man, yesterday I caught one of my favorite episodes that I also kind of hate. Superfluous ranting incoming in 3... 2... 1...
The Hand of Fear is notable for being Sarah Jane Smith's final episode, and I'd argue it represents the worst companion exit in the history of the franchise. The way she just gets kicked off the TARDIS, arbitrarily... it's heartbreaking. The School Reunion follow-up arguably makes it worse, as it basically implies that the Doctor deliberately avoided checking up on her through the years/decades despite his many, many visits back to Earth. Oof.
At least she got to meet a very chill golden retriever. I know that's certainly the highlight of my days.
But, anyway, that's not why I love/hate this story. Nah, that's on Eldrad.
it's hard not to love Eldrad--possibly the most alien alien in Classic Who. And easily the best costume the art department of that era (or those eras) ever produced. The actress is perfectly cast for two reasons: first, her figure. She's very thin, wearing essentially a bodysuit with shiny bits glued on. This creates a lovely, ethereal effect where it's like she's hewn out of rock and crystal--a narrow spindle of metal. A needle. A shard. It's very striking--practically ethereal. And, secondly, she approaches the role perfectly: very seriously. This Eldrad is fairly sympathetic and has a pretty interesting/unique backstory that it's delightful to see teased out. She's a character straight out of a much better story.
And then she regenerates into a generic evil alien bad guy. It's amazing: you can pinpoint the exact moment the story goes from great to godawful.
"My ambition is invincible!" The new Eldrad declares. Great. Excuse me while I work my way through the biggest yawn in my life. "Yes, yes!" He croons. "I shall be king... I shall rule them! I shall be their god!" How exciting and unique. Yeesh. And the new actor plays the Eldrad about as different as possible, hamming it up to the extreme. And he's a big guy, who does not look very good at all in the new version of the costume--where the shiny bits are very obviously glued on top of baggy clothing.
And then in the denouement: "Well, I quite liked her, but I couldn't stand him." I agree, Sarah Jane, I agree.
Anyway, it was a fun story to revisit. Also of note: Eldrad specifically likens their transformation to Time Lord regeneration, which makes this (as far as I can remember) the very first time the regeneration/transgender allegory became apparent, which is pretty cool. I'm not sure it's quite out of the realm of subtext, but it's nearly there.
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Post by constonks on Oct 15, 2021 1:00:48 GMT
Kestrel, yeah, Hand is really one of those quintessential Who stories that starts off amazingly and falls hilariously flat at the end. It's lucky that it ended up being Sarah's last story, so we can have the more emotional coda between her and the Doctor (even if it is abrupt and a little brutal as you say) rather than ending on the Eldrad story.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 15, 2021 1:19:53 GMT
Yeah, it would've really sucked if it'd ended with Eldrad. AS it is, you've got a great story, then terrible disappointment... that winds up priming you for this huge emotional gut-punch when Sarah leaves.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 16, 2021 18:46:07 GMT
Ooh, caught the end of The Three Doctors--I'd forgotten how funny it was. That ending really hold up well, huh?
and man, it feels so weird to see Troughton in color. Makes me sad we didn't see him reprise the role more often. I mean, yeah, I get it, but the 2nd Doctor is so much fun and has such great chemistry with, well, everyone. And now I'm even more excited for the 2DAs.
And speaking of things I'd forgotten, wow, Omega. That costume, huh? The mask is so bad and goofy looking... but the rest of the outfit? Pretty sharp. Might've been nice to see him discard the mask in the end and show his face--it would certainly humanize the character a bit and therefore make the Doctor's regrets Land a bit better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 9:42:50 GMT
Black Orchid Now one of my favourite Who stories.
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Post by drj on Oct 17, 2021 11:31:15 GMT
The first three Chris Eccleston episodes. I was wondering how they’d be to revisit and basically, they’re quite good fun.
Rose: The first episode does an impressive job of kickstarting the whole New Who experience and, that bit with a bin eating Mickey apart, doesn’t really make any wrong steps. Chris and Billie have great chemistry and the whole “ Who is back and it’s got adventure and fun” vibe is strong. A decent 7/10 for me. Definitely good, but not quite great or awesome (my technical names for 8 and 9/10 respectively). But that’s ok, coming back from the wilderness with an episode like this is no mean feat.
The End of the World: Enjoyable set of New Who aliens in this, including a few faces we’ll see in season 2. Cassandra, the face of Boe, to name but two! I heard they spent a lot of the budget on the scenes where the sunscreen comes down. They didn’t look _that_ expensive on re-watching, but you never know, another solid 7/10.
The Unquiet Dead: oooh, Simon Callow is rather good in this! His Dickens would have been a good recurring character. And how could I not mention a certain Eve Myles? She gives a very strong turn. That scene with the old lady in the theatre audience going all ghostly has stuck with me all these years and didn’t disappoint on re-watching. And so we have another solid 7/10.
So in summary, things hold up rather well for these first three episodes, I have to say.
Thank goodness though that Chris joined BF so we could have more adventures with Nine. That is a truly wonderful thing that I wasn’t sure would ever happen.
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Post by relativetime on Oct 17, 2021 14:55:09 GMT
I’ve also been revisiting the Chris Eccleston episodes lately and it’s been an absolute delight. Even episodes I used to vehemently hate like Aliens of London and World War Three, I found myself genuinely enjoying. They’re silly and camp, sure, but what I’ve always appreciated so much about episodes during RTD’s tenure is that they’re almost always sincere and they’re almost always filled with interesting characters (case in point: Harriet Jones, MP for Flydale North).
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 17, 2021 22:48:27 GMT
Settling down with the blu-ray version of Spearhead From Space.
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Post by melkur on Oct 18, 2021 23:17:03 GMT
Over the past week I watched 'The Seeds Of Death', which I've always adored.
Tonight and yesterday I've been watching the last 'Sarah Jane Adventures' story, 'The Man Who Never Was' to "celebrate" 10yrs since it was first broadcast (as I have the other two stories in previous weeks). Overall, it's a decent story, and a fair finale for the show but yes, I had forgotten that it stars a certain James Dreyfus...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 9:05:00 GMT
Colony in Space
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